MS. I WAS looking forward to Vista

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I have upgraded my computer numerous times sense XP. I have probably
reactivated it 6 times. I was so looking forward to buying Vista. I have
been running beta 2, RC1 and now RC2 and think it will be a good o/s. Now I
find out that I can only upgrade my computer once during the life of Vista.
Why would I buy 5 copies of the same o/s? If they don't get sued or have the
govt. on them then I guess I'll stay with XP and Linux. It's a shame because
I am a MS fan but they should care a little more about their customers.

Rob
 
What!!!!!!!!!!! Only once during the lifetime of Vista??? Ive done the same
as you. Ive activated my copy of XP Home SP2 so many times Ive had to call
twice to get that special code and then after that they didnt have me call,
(even in india they want to cut jobs, i dont belive it) called to many times
i suppose. But if thats true what happens to people like me and possible you
who will reinstall over and over again due to testing failures and switching
computers, (Xp wont boot on two different systems with the same harddrive) I
will be very dissapointed if they have the same problems and people like me
and then go and pull an @$$H___e move like this. Thats just money hunger if
you ask me.
 
There is no mention of hardware upgrades in the new EULA. What is specified
is that you may only transfer the licence to another computer ("licensed
device") once. There is nothing in the EULA that prohibits upgrading
hardware, or replacing defective hardware.

The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device
one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the
"licensed device."
 
It's not that you can only upgrade/reactivate once, it's that you can only
transfer once (I agree that it sucks, but I think it's also misunderstood).
A part replacement/upgrade, reformat and reinstall and reactivation that
does not require a phone call to Microsoft is not a transfer. What they mean
is that when activation fails and you have to call MS on the phone to get
them to reset your product key on their servers so that it can be activated
again; that is what you are allowed only once.

I'm guessing that by "reactivated it 6 times" you mean you reformatted,
reinstalled and reactivated over that internet. In that case, none of your
reactivations would count as a transfer in Vista.

Again, I think it sucks too, I just think misunderstanding is making people
think it's worse than it really is.

-Mike
 
So say i have desktop A, i own it I buy Vista for it. Desktop B comes along
and i also want to put vista on it. Can i? If i can, Desktop A dies a sad and
horrible death, so I want to put it on Destop C. I cant do this??? It should
be that you can only have it on two or three computers at One time, thus
allowing for crashes and new additions replacements, without problem. Either
way I want 98 back, I dont recall any probs using that.hehe.
 
Mike, btw, do you know that MS consider a different mobo as a different
machine? They "clarified" that in the OEM license and explicitly made it
clear to system builders for XP. Now for XP, that only affects OEM versions
but I bet MS is carrying that new mobo=> new device definition over to
Vista. Afterall, they can't have different definitions of a new system for
all their different products.

So what does that mean for the enthusiasts? Let's see. When Intel put out
the Pentium-D, they put out a new chipset. Guess what? You can't just pop
in a P-D into the 925X mobos that you have used for P4! So, you would have
to buy a new mobo. Another scenario, you want to upgrade to crossfire or
SLI? new mobo. You want to upgrade from DDR to DDR2? Probably new mobo.
You want to upgrade from P-D to C2D? Probably new mobo. You want to
upgrade from FSB1066 to FSB1333 CPUs? New mobo.

Let's look at next year what's coming:
DDR2->DDR3 possible 3rd qtr 07. (For top-end enthusiasts anyway).
New DX10 cards from ATI and Nvidia for crossfire and SLi?
Intel FSB1066->FSB1333 (the X38 and P35 chipsets)
AM2+->AM3

etc. Most (if not all) will require or benefit from a mobo upgrade. And
for the enthusiasts, you think we will only upgrade mobo once?
 
Altimax98 said:
So say i have desktop A, i own it I buy Vista for it. Desktop B comes
along
and i also want to put vista on it. Can i? If i can, Desktop A dies a sad
and
horrible death, so I want to put it on Destop C. I cant do this??? It
should
be that you can only have it on two or three computers at One time, thus
allowing for crashes and new additions replacements, without problem.
Either
way I want 98 back, I dont recall any probs using that.hehe.
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Well.. technically you should only have it on ONE pc at any one time anyway!
Thats with the current versions of windows. So if you have it on
computer A and want to install it on computer B then you *should* go and buy
a new copy anyway!
 
Guys! Do you realise MS considers a different mobo as a different machine?
MS "clarified" this to the system builders pertaining to XP OEM licenses. I
have yet to see anything that indicate MS will consider otherwise for Vista.
It has virtually no effect for XP retail because the wording is very
different for the XP license. And have you noticed in the past 2+ years,
both Intel and AMD puts out new CPUs that will require a different mobo for
various reasons?
 
Yep, so in effect the only difference between the oem version of Vista and
the much more expensive retail version of Vista is that you are allowed one
mobo change! The Vista EULA is very different from the XP EULA and I suspect
that other software companies will be lookat at this very carefully to see
if Microsoft will get away with this so that they can do the same thing.

Alan
 
ML said:
Mike, btw, do you know that MS consider a different mobo as a different
machine? They "clarified" that in the OEM license and explicitly made it
clear to system builders for XP. Now for XP, that only affects OEM
versions but I bet MS is carrying that new mobo=> new device definition
over to Vista. Afterall, they can't have different definitions of a new
system for all their different products.

So what does that mean for the enthusiasts? Let's see. When Intel put
out the Pentium-D, they put out a new chipset. Guess what? You can't
just pop in a P-D into the 925X mobos that you have used for P4! So, you
would have to buy a new mobo. Another scenario, you want to upgrade to
crossfire or SLI? new mobo. You want to upgrade from DDR to DDR2?
Probably new mobo. You want to upgrade from P-D to C2D? Probably new
mobo. You want to upgrade from FSB1066 to FSB1333 CPUs? New mobo.

Let's look at next year what's coming:
DDR2->DDR3 possible 3rd qtr 07. (For top-end enthusiasts anyway).
New DX10 cards from ATI and Nvidia for crossfire and SLi?
Intel FSB1066->FSB1333 (the X38 and P35 chipsets)
AM2+->AM3
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That's it, it'll be a while before I pull out my wallet. That's the only way
to put our vote on technology.
 
You are all wrong. The Vista EULA is the same as the XP EULA. It seems
different but it's not because Microsoft has taken the time to clarify
certain missconceptions in the EULA.

Call them. They will tell you.

Yosh
 
Yoshi said:
You are all wrong. The Vista EULA is the same as the XP EULA.
Click to expand...

Considering that the final EULA for Vista isn't available and that the
one some people have posted are different from XP's, one wonders how
much education you have and if you've ever studied logic.

It seems
different but it's not because Microsoft has taken the time to clarify
certain missconceptions in the EULA.
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Like what? One can change a motherboard with XP, both retail and generic
OEM. I know because I've done it. Proof in the pudding and all that jazz.
Call them. They will tell you.

Yosh
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No need. I can read my EULA and it's clear that the word "motherboard"
does not appear there once.

Alias
 
The new Vista EULA is on the Microsoft website..it is very different from
the XP one. The only "clarification" that Microsoft have come up with so far
is that " a new motherboard is in effect a new device!"
Alan
 
Alan said:
The new Vista EULA is on the Microsoft website..it is very different from
the XP one. The only "clarification" that Microsoft have come up with so far
is that " a new motherboard is in effect a new device!"
Alan
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Well, they've motherboarded me out of buying Vista.

Alias
 
I find it hard to believe that M$ is going to tell someone who upgraded
their motherboard that they need to buy a new copy of Vista; even they are
not that stupid.

In the case of XP the motherboard=system thing (which I haven't seen anyway)
only meant that someone would need to make a phone call to get XP activated.

I haven't seen anything in regards to Vista that says a ne motherboard=new
system=one upgrade allowed. Unless/until we do, this is all just chicken
little screaming that the sky is falling.

Think about it for a second, NO - REALLY THINK, my motherboard is fried so I
replace it, the new one I get turns out to be defective after a week so I
replace it again, now M$ says I need to buy a new copy of Vista? Exactly how
many news shows do you think that would need to appear on before the policy
had to be changed and millions of dollars in sales were lost? Like I said in
the beginning, not even M$ is that stupid.

-Mike
 
**__MIke__** said:
It's not that you can only upgrade/reactivate once, it's that you can only
transfer once (I agree that it sucks, but I think it's also
misunderstood). A part replacement/upgrade, reformat and reinstall and
reactivation that does not require a phone call to Microsoft is not a
transfer. What they mean is that when activation fails and you have to
call MS on the phone to get them to reset your product key on their
servers so that it can be activated again; that is what you are allowed
only once.

I'm guessing that by "reactivated it 6 times" you mean you reformatted,
reinstalled and reactivated over that internet. In that case, none of your
reactivations would count as a transfer in Vista.
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No... I've upgraded my computer numerous times, AMD socket754 1.2 Pc100 RAM,
AMD 754 2400 pc2100 RAM. AMD 3200x64 socket 939 and a 3600 socket AM2. As I
understand all of these would be considered NEW computers and therefor would
need to purchaseVista again.
 
**__MIke__** said:
I find it hard to believe that M$ is going to tell someone who upgraded
their motherboard that they need to buy a new copy of Vista; even they are
not that stupid.

In the case of XP the motherboard=system thing (which I haven't seen
anyway) only meant that someone would need to make a phone call to get XP
activated.

I haven't seen anything in regards to Vista that says a ne motherboard=new
system=one upgrade allowed. Unless/until we do, this is all just chicken
little screaming that the sky is falling.

Think about it for a second, NO - REALLY THINK, my motherboard is fried so
I replace it, the new one I get turns out to be defective after a week so
I replace it again, now M$ says I need to buy a new copy of Vista? Exactly
how many news shows do you think that would need to appear on before the
policy had to be changed and millions of dollars in sales were lost? Like
I said in the beginning, not even M$ is that stupid.

-Mike
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This EXACT thing has happened to me. Just had to call them to activate.
 
Re: "I haven't seen anything in regards to Vista that says a new
motherboard=new system=one upgrade allowed. Unless/until we do, this is
all just chicken little screaming that the sky is falling."

Well, in terms of the letter of the EULA, the sky is falling.

What remains to be seen is whether MS actually enforces the letter of
the EULA. In XP, they do not always stictly enforce the letter of the
EULA (for example, the 120 day reset is a huge relaxation of the strict
letter of the EULA).

By the way, note the following:

According to both the letter of the Eula and practice, if you call MS
and say "I upgraded my motherboard" [implying that the upgrade was
discretionary / elective], you may be denied reactivation.

However, if you call them and say "The motherboard failed and had to be
replaced", you will just about always be allowed reactivation.

How you describe the situation -- the wording that you use -- may matter
as much as, if not more than, what physically changed.
 
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