Mozilla add on.

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Somebody pointed the Prefbar addon out to us a while back, but the
site has moved due to the author having to temporarily stop
development. The new home page is:

http://prefbar.mozdev.org/

If you run Mozilla, this is (IMO) an essential acquisition. Allows
easy access to turning on or off Java, Javascript, Cookies etc. Allows
you to easily clean out the location bar, history and cache. Also has
a "Kill Flash" button that is dy-no-mite. Only thing I wish is that it
had a button that would clean out all coookies in the cookie manager.
 
And said:
Somebody pointed the Prefbar addon out to us a while back,
but the site has moved due to the author having to
temporarily stop development. The new home page is:

http://prefbar.mozdev.org/

If you run Mozilla, this is (IMO) an essential acquisition.
Allows easy access to turning on or off Java, Javascript,
Cookies etc. Allows you to easily clean out the location
bar, history and cache. Also has a "Kill Flash" button that
is dy-no-mite. Only thing I wish is that it had a button
that would clean out all coookies in the cookie manager.
Click to expand...

click
"tools"
click
"cookie manager"
click
"clear all cookies."

I suppose that is a lot of work.

--
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Nothing makes up for genuine lack of planning.
 
Christopher said:
click
"tools"
click
"cookie manager"
click
"clear all cookies."
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I know all about that method.
I suppose that is a lot of work.
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No, it's not a lot of work, but it's far more than simply clicking on
a button would be. The whole idea of the Prefbar is convenience. For
instance, I have it configured with buttons for cleaning out the
following:

Location bar
History
Cache

Since cleaning out the cookies is something I do regularly (after
activating cookies in order to visit a site that requires them), it's
a repetative task that could be simpler. Since Mozilla.org is unlikely
to implement such a feature, it seems that it would be a good idea for
an addition to Prefbar. However, because Prefbar is not being
developed by it's author for the time being, implementation there is
also unlikely in the near future.
It's easy to blithely criticize wanting a program to be easier to
use as it appears you have done (assuming that was your intent, and I
may be wrong), but that doesn't mean that my idea was a bad one.

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And said:
It's easy to blithely criticize wanting a program to be
easier to
use as it appears you have done (assuming that was your
intent, and I may be wrong), but that doesn't mean that my
idea was a bad one.
Click to expand...

Beleive it or not, cleaning out cookies NEEDS to be as
"difficult" as it is. Otherwise there'd be a flood of
complaints about people "accidentally" cleaning out cookies
and "now we can't access <fitb>".

If you REALLY want to keep the cookies file clean outside of
cookie manager, simply make the file "read only". Cookies
won't persist beyond the end of the session.

--
:-) Christopher Jahn
:-(

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/xjahn/Main.html

After a number of decimal places, nobody gives a damn.
 
http://prefbar.mozdev.org/

If you run Mozilla, this is (IMO) an essential acquisition. Allows
easy access to turning on or off Java, Javascript, Cookies etc. Allows
you to easily clean out the location bar, history and cache. Also has
a "Kill Flash" button that is dy-no-mite. Only thing I wish is that it
had a button that would clean out all coookies in the cookie manager.
Click to expand...

well! Thanks, John,,,I think that toolbar is a great
addition!...Installed fine, busy customizing now....I'm sure glad folks
take the trouble to create these helpers! (my Mozilla looks like wooden
panels, thanks to a lovely shin I found)
 
Christopher said:
Beleive it or not, cleaning out cookies NEEDS to be as
"difficult" as it is. Otherwise there'd be a flood of
complaints about people "accidentally" cleaning out cookies
and "now we can't access <fitb>".
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Then why, if somebody is using IE, is it so easy to put a shortcut for
"Internet Options" on your desktop, open it and click on "Delete
Cookies..."?

The Mozilla Prefbar is for people who are smart enough to breath. 80)>
I disagree with your assertion that cleaning out cookies should be
difficult for EVERYBODY.
If you REALLY want to keep the cookies file clean outside of
cookie manager, simply make the file "read only". Cookies
won't persist beyond the end of the session.
Click to expand...

That's the problem. There are cookies stored outside of the cookies
file with Moz 1.3. That never was the case with Netscape 4.X and I
don't see why there should be any cookies that are hard to get at.

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Regards from John Corliss
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http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's posts because I have him
killfiled. This is due what I perceive to be ongoing troll activity on
his part in this group.
 
Then why, if somebody is using IE, is it so easy to put a shortcut
for "Internet Options" on your desktop, open it and click on
"Delete Cookies..."?

The Mozilla Prefbar is for people who are smart enough to
breath.80)> I disagree with your assertion that cleaning out
cookies should be difficult for EVERYBODY.
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I agree with both of you (except the breathing part, John ;).

By default, a user should have to jump through a few hoops to clear
the cookies, so people don't naively screw themselves up. But it
should be possible for people who want a quick way to do it to set
such a way up; they have only themselves to blame for any data loss
after that.

For Mozilla Firebird, my preferred way is to use the extension X.

<http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions/#x>
 
»Q« said:
I agree with both of you (except the breathing part, John ;).
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So it's for people who *aren't* smart enough to breath as well? 80)>
By default, a user should have to jump through a few hoops to clear
the cookies, so people don't naively screw themselves up. But it
should be possible for people who want a quick way to do it to set
such a way up; they have only themselves to blame for any data loss
after that.
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Pretty much what I was saying. Many software producers make such
"lowest common denominator" defaults non-optional. This is generally
the result of focusing on the bottom line regarding support.
Like many others, I've uninstalled many programs for having
needlessly complex user interfaces. In fact, it's one of my pet peeves.
For Mozilla Firebird, my preferred way is to use the extension X.

<http://texturizer.net/firebird/extensions/#x>
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Unfortunately, there's no such extension for Mozilla that I can find.
The thought of upgrading Mozilla or trying out Thunderbird makes me
nauseated because it took so much tweaking to get Moz 1.3 where I want
it. Guess I'll hold out for Moz 1.5 Final and hope for the best.

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Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's posts because I have him
killfiled. This is due what I perceive to be ongoing troll activity on
his part in this group.
 
And said:
Then why, if somebody is using IE, is it so easy to put a
shortcut for "Internet Options" on your desktop, open it
and click on "Delete Cookies..."?
Click to expand...

Because IE is a peice of crap.
The Mozilla Prefbar is for people who are smart enough to
breath. 80)> I disagree with your assertion that cleaning
out cookies should be difficult for EVERYBODY.


That's the problem. There are cookies stored outside of the
cookies file with Moz 1.3.
Click to expand...


No, there are not.



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A hen is only an egg's way of making another egg.
 
Christopher said:
Because IE is a peice of crap.
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You'll get no argument from me about that.
No, there are not.
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Proof:

I have a cookieless backup copy in another folder of the following file:

"C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\(my
username)\sivckilt.slt\cookies.txt"

I regularly use the following batchfile:

copy C:\Backup\Mozilla\(my username)\sivckilt.slt\cookies.txt
"C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\(my
username)\sivckilt.slt\cookies.txt" /y

to replace the current cookies file with the version that has no
cookies. Yet when I open the cookie manager, there are still cookies
in it. This is even after I reboot. I just did this on my system to
verify that what I'm saying is true.

And as usual, "unless I'm missing something". Hey, I'm no programmer.

But I still object most strenuously to preventing *EVERYBODY*, even
people who are smart enought to know how to breath, from making that
process easier.

That's the kind of mentality that led to the USA 55 mph speed limit in
the 70s. NO THANKS. You can't file off all the sharp edges in this world.

I don't like cookies and run my browser with cookies turned off almost
all the time. If a site I need to visit bitches about it, then I turn
them back on. After I'm done visiting the site, I IMMEDIATELY wipe out
ALL cookies.

That's just the kind of guy I am.

--
Regards from John "I like privacy" Corliss
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http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's troll posts
because I have him killfiled.
 
And said:
Proof:

I have a cookieless backup copy in another folder of the
following file:

"C:\WINDOWS\Application Data\Mozilla\Profiles\(my
username)\sivckilt.slt\cookies.txt"

I regularly use the following batchfile:

copy C:\Backup\Mozilla\(my
username)\sivckilt.slt\cookies.txt "C:\WINDOWS\Application
Data\Mozilla\Profiles\(my
username)\sivckilt.slt\cookies.txt" /y

to replace the current cookies file with the version that
has no cookies. Yet when I open the cookie manager, there
are still cookies in it. This is even after I reboot. I
just did this on my system to verify that what I'm saying
is true.
Click to expand...

I'll bet Mozilla is active (possibly as "quickstart") when you
run your batchfile.

--
:-) Christopher Jahn
:-(

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/xjahn/Main.html

After a number of decimal places, nobody gives a damn.
 
Christopher said:
I'll bet Mozilla is active (possibly as "quickstart") when you
run your batchfile.
Click to expand...

Yep, you're right. Thanks for pointing that out. In fact, I was
running the batch file while Moz was still running, cleaning out the
cache, history and location bar. Then I would shut off Moz and reboot.
Cookies would still be there. With Moz off first, they disappear.

Back when I was using a dialup, I would shut down Netscape or Moz and
then used a program called "Hangup" to turn off the dialup. When the
connection ended, I had NetLaunch configured to shut down my proxies
and run that batch file. Never really checked whether or not there
were any cookies left after that process, but it's unlikely that any
were since the browser was shut down before it ran.

Still would like to see that feature in Prefbar, but now I can see why
it isn't there. Some cookies *do* exist (albeit temporarily) outside
of the cookies file while Moz is running. Including a button that
wipes out all cookies would probably be difficult if not impossible.

That sucks, but I'll have to live with it.

--
Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's troll posts
because I have him killfiled.
 
And said:
Some cookies *do* exist (albeit temporarily) outside
of the cookies file while Moz is running.
Click to expand...

What is ACTUALLY occuring is that Mozilla holds the cookies
file in RAM while it is running, and saves it to disk on
shutdown.

Mark your cookies file as "read only", and cookies picked up
during the session evaporate when you close Mozilla.


--
:-) Christopher Jahn
:-(

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/xjahn/Main.html

After a number of decimal places, nobody gives a damn.
 
Christopher said:
What is ACTUALLY occuring is that Mozilla holds the cookies
file in RAM while it is running, and saves it to disk on
shutdown.
Click to expand...

Yes, I can see that now.
Mark your cookies file as "read only", and cookies picked up
during the session evaporate when you close Mozilla.
Click to expand...

Thanks for the tip! I'll give it a try.

--
Regards from John Corliss
alt.comp.freeware F.A.Q.:
http://www.ccountry.net/~jcorliss/F.A.Q./FrameSet1.html
Note that I can't see any of Andy Mabbett's troll posts
because I have him killfiled.
 
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