Move system and partitions to new HD?

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X-posted: alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.hardware

Ladies and gentlemen,

I intend to replace my 320 GB 'parallel ATA' HD with a 500 GB SATA
disk and have to transfer the lot: boot & system (XP) partition and
program partitions (plus a lot of media files). Of course, I could to
a fresh install, re-register XP and re-install all software. But there
should be a better way, or isn't there? How to go about it? Any good
freeware for this?

Mark
 
Mark said:
X-posted: alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.hardware

Ladies and gentlemen,

I intend to replace my 320 GB 'parallel ATA' HD with a 500 GB SATA
disk and have to transfer the lot: boot & system (XP) partition and
program partitions (plus a lot of media files). Of course, I could to
a fresh install, re-register XP and re-install all software. But there
should be a better way, or isn't there? How to go about it? Any good
freeware for this?

Mark

Paragon Drive Copy 9.0 Personal SE may do the job and is Freeware for TODAY
ONLY
http://www.giveawayoftheday.com/paragon-drive-copy-90-personal/

HTH
R.
 
X-posted: alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.hardware

Ladies and gentlemen,

I intend to replace my 320 GB 'parallel ATA' HD with a 500 GB SATA
disk and have to transfer the lot: boot & system (XP) partition and
program partitions (plus a lot of media files). Of course, I could
to a fresh install, re-register XP and re-install all software. But
there should be a better way, or isn't there? How to go about it?
Any good freeware for this?

Mark


Not sure what your config is.

Do you have a separate program partition? Is C your system partition
and D where you instal programs to (well most programs because some
will install to C without asking you).

Does the mainboard have native support for PATA and SATA or is there
an adaptor card? Do you intend attaching the 500 SATA via USB?

If it was me I wouldn't move the XP system partition between such
similar drives. The 500 SATA is probably faster but the difference in
performance is unlikely to be very significant. Their capacities are
not very different either.

If 320 GB is too small then I'd go for a bigger drive than 500 GB (at
least 640 or 750 GB). Alternatively use the new drive as a second
drive where you can store those media files.
 
But there
should be a better way, or isn't there? How to go about it? Any good
freeware for this?

Maybe your pc could use a fresh install ;). I don't know!
But if you just want to copy the partition you can use Partition Saving:
http://damien.guibouret.free.fr/

I have used it several times through the years and it has never failed.
 
Franklin said:
Do you have a separate program partition? Is C your system partition
and D where you instal programs to
Yes.

Does the mainboard have native support for PATA and SATA
Yes

Do you intend attaching the 500 SATA via USB?

When copying from the 320 GB? Possibly. What would you do?

A reason for changing the HD is that the 320 GB is beginning to
develop [still minor] problems. I prefer to use it as a spare drive
for non-essential media files and I've got the 500 GB SATA lying
around anyway. That's all.

Mark
 
X-posted: alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.hardware

Ladies and gentlemen,

I intend to replace my 320 GB 'parallel ATA' HD with a 500 GB SATA
disk and have to transfer the lot: boot & system (XP) partition and
program partitions (plus a lot of media files). Of course, I could to
a fresh install, re-register XP and re-install all software. But there
should be a better way, or isn't there? How to go about it? Any good
freeware for this?

Mark

If you already have a separate partition, then use Paragon or Macrium to
image the C: drive to the other partition, and the restore from that
partition to the new drive partition. I have used both, and prefer Macrium,
but either will work fine.
http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.asp
 
Onno said:
Maybe your pc could use a fresh install ;). I don't know! But if
you just want to copy the partition you can use Partition Saving:
http://damien.guibouret.free.fr/

I have used it several times through the years and it has never
failed.

I have moved my system multiple times, starting from about a 4 gig
HD. However, I haven't changed the OS, although other OS's on the
multi-boot have changed.

In general I have made a complete system copy onto a new disk. I
can do this easily because the OS is W98 or some Linux. Then I
simply trade the drive locations and boot. Now the root drive is
80 Gig, and the backup drive is 30 Gig (I think :-). There are
various complete backups tucked away here and there. I have only
changed the CPU once since starting this.
 
Paul said:
Linux and "dd" did it for me. I moved four partitions, two Windows
and two Linux partitions, with one command. "dd" just copies
sectors, so it doesn't even know what file system it is copying.
There are limitations to this technique, as it doesn't solve the
partition resizing problem. So the partitions are the same size as
before. But otherwise, it does a good job of moving the data.
If you suspect the old drive had bad sectors, use "dd_rescue" instead.
A surface scan can tell you whether a drive has bad sectors.

Seagate has free tools for download, and one of the tools is a
rebranded Acronis tool. It will move data from your old drive,
to a new Seagate drive. Check the disk manufacturer web sites
for more details. The Seagate download, even comes with a manual.
This tool can even resize a partition, which is a good feature
when a bigger drive is installed.

http://www.seagate.com/support/discwizard/dw_ug.en.pdf

Some companies are a little less generous.

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/support/download.htm

I've used Partition Magic in the past, but that isn't
free.

This tool is free and might be a replacement for Partition
Magic. But before using it, I'd want to see some reviews,
as there is no way to know how good it is. I haven't used
it myself, because I already have enough tools to do the
job.

EASEUS Partition Master 3.5 Home Edition
http://www.partition-tool.com/personal.htm

HTH,
Paul

I would apply Paul' s advice, and add some comments.
First of all, don't hesitate to spent a little amount of $ to buy Acronis. I
can' t imagine having a PC with a lot of valuable data and hours of
installation labour without a program that allows to create an image file of
the system disk and to generate scheduled back-ups. It' s really worth the
investment and will solve your actual problem.
If you want to resize your partitions, I'd recommand Easus.
I've used Partition Magic for years, but since it's part of Symantec, things
have changed and I got some strange errors and program hangs.
When I found Easus for free in a magazine about six months ago, I made the
switch and used it many times without any problem, including for combined
operations like reducing partition E to make space available for partition
C. This means many operations: reducing E, moving E, moving D, and finally
increase C, all at once, no problem.
With Partition Magic, in many cases this kind of operation failed and I only
dared to do the process one operation at a time.
 
On 4 Jun 2009 20:40, Mark wrote in alt.comp.freeware
Franklin said:
Do you have a separate program partition? Is C your system
partition and D where you instal programs to
Yes.

Does the mainboard have native support for PATA and SATA
Yes

Do you intend attaching the 500 SATA via USB?

When copying from the 320 GB? Possibly. What would you do?

A reason for changing the HD is that the 320 GB is beginning to
develop [still minor] problems. I prefer to use it as a spare drive
for non-essential media files and I've got the 500 GB SATA lying
around anyway. That's all.

Mark

If you're getting read/write problems on the 320 GB then you're doing the
right thing although I'm not sure how you know it's the HDD. (I wouldn't
rely on SMART.)

I wouldn't use the USB port at all. I'd do it like this:....

Attach both 320 and 500 direct to the mobo.

Clone the 320 onto the 500. I use $$ware for this so I can't suggest what
freeware to use for cloning. I say "clone" because your setup may
benefit if as much of the MBR as poss gets copied over. (I'm thinking of
some non-standard identifiers MS saves in the MBR but don't bother
looking into this as its not so critical and is quite hard to determine.)

Physically remove the 320. Boot to the BIOS CMOS menus and see if your
menus permit you to designate the new SATA drive as drive 0 (if it hasn't
happened automatically).

Save the BIOS CMOS config as usual then reboot all the way into XP. XP
may fail to boot because XP will be able to sense the hardware config and
it may (or may not) be able to accomodate the new address of the new 500
SATA drive.

Mark Warner explained how to handle this. It's a bit of a chore but you
should finally get to a stage where you can boot into XP.

XP will now reallocate drive letter entries in the registry during this
first boot. It is XP which designates the drive letter of your second
partition so this process is partly dependent on how much renaming of
partition identifying letters has gone on. There are too many variables
to control (for example the HDD number sequence may or may not make way
for other ATA devices such as optical drives). Also drive letters in any
parameter (INI) files can't be reliably detected and changed. So don't
try and plan this in too much detail (and get overloaded) as the
variables involved are greater than you can control.

The biggest difficulty is your programs being installed to another drive.
If things turn out muddled (programs can't find their way to a clean
launch) then if it takes too long to remedy that you might start again
with a format and reinstal from scratch. In fact, as I write these steps
I'm getting more inclined to reformat even though reinstaling programs
can be a headache.

Don't be tempted to get too fancy and separate your boot and system
partitions - keep them as one (C). Instal all programs to the system (C)
partition. Store only data on the other partition.

Don't get tempted to move the XP swap file to the second drive (320) as
that will cause an extra complication if you have to do this operation
again and the benefits are not very dramatic.

If the 320 is failing then it is not even much good as a backup drive
because when you need a backup you really want to be certain it is not
corrupted.
 
Thanks to all who replied. It looks like it's possible, but the bit
about SATA drives got me a bit worried. There are no separate SATA
drivers on my Asus CD nor on the Asus website. Are they incorporated
in the the chipset drivers?

Mark
 
Mark said:
Thanks to all who replied. It looks like it's possible, but the bit
about SATA drives got me a bit worried. There are no separate SATA
drivers on my Asus CD nor on the Asus website. Are they incorporated
in the the chipset drivers?

Mark

I read a report from someone today, who had a couple FAT32 partitions
and resized them with Easeus. Disaster! So scratch this off the list.
Too dangerous. Even one report of a failure, is one report too many.
(It is pretty hard to get details from someone who has had a
meltdown, but he cannot boot either partition.) If you must use this,
you'd want a backup, somewhere.

http://www.partition-tool.com/personal.htm

*******

SATA controllers don't all need drivers. For example, Intel Southbridges
have several operating modes. One uses standard I/O space addresses and
pretends the drive is an IDE device. (That mode is used so you can boot
older OSes with no driver, like Win98.) They also supported what is
sometimes called "Enhanced" mode, which moves the device to the PCI address
space. Microsoft includes a driver for that in WinXP SP1 or later.
On WinXP, AHCI or RAID drivers, would be a separate driver install.
On Vista, AHCI is now included. Since RAID doesn't follow a standard,
they would have to bundle individual drivers to handle that.

What Asus motherboard is this ?

If you run out of places to look, for advice on your board, Asus has forums.

(Select your motherboard from the menu. And yes, this server is slow slow slow.)

http://vip.asus.com/forum/topic.aspx?board_id=1&model=P4B533&SLanguage=en-us

Paul
 
ElJerid said:
I would apply Paul' s advice, and add some comments.
First of all, don't hesitate to spent a little amount of $ to buy Acronis. I
can' t imagine having a PC with a lot of valuable data and hours of
installation labour without a program that allows to create an image file of
the system disk and to generate scheduled back-ups. It' s really worth the
investment and will solve your actual problem.
If you want to resize your partitions, I'd recommand Easus.
I've used Partition Magic for years, but since it's part of Symantec, things
have changed and I got some strange errors and program hangs.
When I found Easus for free in a magazine about six months ago, I made the
switch and used it many times without any problem, including for combined
operations like reducing partition E to make space available for partition
C. This means many operations: reducing E, moving E, moving D, and finally
increase C, all at once, no problem.
With Partition Magic, in many cases this kind of operation failed and I only
dared to do the process one operation at a time.
Acronis Disk Director is also very good, but it costs!
 
Mark said:

The board has an ICH10 and four SATA connectors. Should be no RAID
for that chip.

http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/socket775/P5QL_SE/E4159_P5QL_SE_manual.zip

SATA Configuration [ Disabled, Compatible, Enhanced ]

Configure SATA as [ IDE, AHCI ]

These are your options.

1) Compatible - I/O space mapped, up to four drives. Uses IRQ14 and IRQ15.
Something that works in Win98 for example. Virtually any
recent OS should be able to handle this.

2) Enhanced IDE - PCI space mapped. Win2K SP4 or WinXP SP1 or later
have a built-in Microsoft driver for this.

3) Enhanced AHCI - This adds native command queueing and hot-plug to the
SATA ports. In WinXP, this would need a driver. In
Vista, the driver is built-in. I'm not even sure there
is a driver for Win98, for this mode.

I'd try Enhanced IDE in the BIOS for now. (Since the ICH10 only
has four ports, I don't see the difference between that and
the Compatible option. But Enhanced IDE is the BIOS default,
and you can just leave it if you want.)

What I'd do is, clone the old 320GB to the new 500GB drive.
Remember to *disconnect* the 320GB drive, just before you boot
from the 500GB drive for the first time. After one reboot
cycle has been completed, you can shut down, power off,
and connect the 320GB IDE drive again. (I made the mistake of
not doing that, and the image on the new drive ends up
misconfigured on boot. So I had to reclone, and try again,
because I didn't know enough about Windows to solve it. It
takes me less time to reclone, than to Google for an
answer.)

HTH,
Paul
 
gimlook had written this in response to
http://www.talkcomputer.com/hardware/Move-system-and-partitions-to-new-HD-62791-.htm
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Mark wrote:



X-posted: alt.comp.freeware,alt.comp.hardware
Ladies and gentlemen,
I intend to replace my 320 GB 'parallel ATA' HD with a 500 GB SATA
disk and have to transfer the lot: boot & system (XP) partition and
program partitions (plus a lot of media files). Of course, I could to
a fresh install, re-register XP and re-install all software. But there
should be a better way, or isn't there? How to go about it? Any good
freeware for this?

move system and partitions to new hd is not a difficult tast. you can
choose one
free clone tool to clone the whole system to the new hard disk. i googled
one
article talk about this topic you can have a look.

http://www.todo-backup.com/backup-resource/clone/move-transfer-os-to-new-hard-
disk.htm
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Both Macrium Reflect and Paragon Backup freewares can do that. Macrium
will require you to restore one partition at a time whereas Paragon
can restore all partitions at once. However, Paragon's backup process
is slower than Macrium's.

Macrium Reflect Free
Pros: Boot CD, scheduler, can extract individual files and folders
Cons: No incremental or differential backups, restores one partition
at a time
OS: Win XP/2003/Vista/2008/Win7
http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.asp

Paragon Backup & Recovery 2011 Advanced Free
Pros: Boot CD, scheduler, can extract individual files and folders,
differential backups, partitioning tools
OS: Win 2000/XP/Vista/Win7
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/br-free/download.html
 
Both Macrium Reflect and Paragon Backup freewares can do that. Macrium
will require you to restore one partition at a time whereas Paragon
can restore all partitions at once. However, Paragon's backup process
is slower than Macrium's.

Macrium Reflect Free
Pros: Boot CD, scheduler, can extract individual files and folders
Cons: No incremental or differential backups, restores one partition
at a time
OS: Win XP/2003/Vista/2008/Win7
http://www.macrium.com/reflectfree.asp

For Macrium Reflect you can better use the previous version 4.2.3775
http://www.filehippo.com/download_macrium_reflect/10166/
So far the 5 versions has problems with restoring.
 
Seagate, Western Digital and other vendors of hard drives
offer free software for just this purpose.
 
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