Motherboards?

  • Thread starter Thread starter Davej
  • Start date Start date
D

Davej

Why does it seem that every motherboard is disliked by 1/4 of the
owners? It makes it difficult to figure out which motherboards are
better than others.
 
Davej said:
Why does it seem that every motherboard is disliked by 1/4 of the
owners? It makes it difficult to figure out which motherboards are
better than others.

Simple really. A good percentage of home builders shouldn't even think
about building themselves. A lot of the complaints you will see about
motherboards boil down to idiot failed to research properly prior to
purchase, or ****ed up his new hardware by mating components that were not
meant to go together. -Dave
 
Davej said:
Why does it seem that every motherboard is disliked by 1/4 of the owners?

Because you only see posts from those who dont like their motherboard
mostly. Those who do like their motherboard mostly dont bother to say so.
It makes it difficult to figure out which motherboards are better than others.

It does indeed.
 
Davej said:
Why does it seem that every motherboard is disliked by 1/4 of the
owners? It makes it difficult to figure out which motherboards are
better than others.

Not really. Abit, MSI, Asus, DFI, Intel, Supermicro, and Gigabyte all make
good products.

As Dave mentions elsewhere in this thread, often the problem is the builder
and not the hardware.



This "systems engineer" is a good example:
http://tinyurl.com/ylj5kz

"If an operating system such as Windows is loaded on this drive, it will not
boot. This drive is designed for data storage (Enterprise Storage)only and
is missing a standard boot sector. I am a systems engineer and have
confirmed this with Seagate techinical support at 1-877-xxx-xxxx."
 
A lot of noobie motherboard owners have trouble understanding the many
complexities involved in setting them up.
 
Rod Speed said:
Because you only see posts from those who dont like their motherboard
mostly. Those who do like their motherboard mostly dont bother to say so.
In that case, I must make a point of singing the praises of the following:

AOpen AX59Pro (Socket 7) - High performance, great overclocker, very stable
ASUS A7V8X-X (Socket A) - Another great stable board.
Abit AN7 (Socket A) - Great overclocker and also stable.
ASUS A8V + A8V deluxe (Socket 939) - Also stable and reasonable overclocker.

Cheers!
 
Davej said:
Why does it seem that every motherboard is disliked by 1/4 of the
owners? It makes it difficult to figure out which motherboards are
better than others.

To me, negative comments are just as valuable as positive comments.
I need negative comments when researching a new upgrade part. What
someone else doesn't like about something might not matter to me
(and that means I get more of what I want for the price). Also, as
mentioned in other replies, you can attribute some negative comments
to lack of experience and ignorance.

Even if there were only negative comments, you could bias your
judgment of those comments by the manufacturer's popularity. It's
like with ordinary things, if a manufacturer makes something very
popular, the bad things are more likely to be discovered.

Good luck and have fun.
 
In that case, I must make a point of singing the praises of the following:

My dog sings better than that when you tread on his tail |-)
AOpen AX59Pro (Socket 7) - High performance, great overclocker,
very stable ASUS A7V8X-X (Socket A) - Another great stable board.
Abit AN7 (Socket A) - Great overclocker and also stable.
ASUS A8V + A8V deluxe (Socket 939) - Also stable and reasonable overclocker.

It makes more sense to use a Core 2 Duo now, and overclocking is mad.
 
To me, negative comments are just as valuable as positive comments.

Not when its clowns who dont have a clue making them.
I need negative comments when researching a new upgrade part.

No you dont unless you're as incompetant as the clown
who made the comment with a perfectly viable part.
What someone else doesn't like about something might not matter
to me (and that means I get more of what I want for the price).

Trouble is that it isnt always easy to work out who is making a valid
complaint about a particular product and who is an incompetant to comment.
Also, as mentioned in other replies, you can attribute some
negative comments to lack of experience and ignorance.

Most of them actually with the better motherboard suppliers.
Even if there were only negative comments, you could bias your
judgment of those comments by the manufacturer's popularity.

No could about it, its impossible to know how much the comments
you see are biased by what gets sold volume wise.

Even with say the newegg comments, its impossible to say how
biased the comments are by what type of buyer is attracted to
particular motherboards on offer because of price etc.
It's like with ordinary things, if a manufacturer makes something
very popular, the bad things are more likely to be discovered.

And you're bound to see more incompetants managing to
**** it up with something as complicated as a motherboard.

It may well be possible to see that some motherboards
have easier to configure sata ports than some others,
but even that isnt necessarily very useful unless you know
you cant handle the more complicated setups yourself.

You may well currently see quite a few comments about how
picky some motherboards are about the DDR2 ram they need,
but impossible to say how quickly operations like Gigabyte will
get their act into gear on fixing the bios with those boards that
do get lots having a problem getting it to even boot etc.

Even reviews are mostly FAR too superficial to be much use.
 
fwibbler said:
In that case, I must make a point of singing the praises of the following:

AOpen AX59Pro (Socket 7) - High performance, great overclocker, very stable

Asus P3B-F (Socket II) - " "
 
Rod Speed said:
Not when its clowns who dont have a clue making them.

Sometimes positive comments are that way too.
No you dont

Yes I do.
unless you're as incompetant as the clown

You have no reason to assume that someone who makes a negative
comment is a clown.
who made the comment with a perfectly viable part.

It depends on the particular negative comment.
Trouble is that it isnt always easy to work out who is making a
valid complaint about a particular product and who is an
incompetant to comment.

A negative comment can be something like "that video card doesn't
come with games". That's good for me because I don't like paying for
random games. A negative comment can be something like "that USB
flash drive is too slow". That's good for my neighbor's computer
because they have USB 1.1 ports and aren't likely to upgrade for
years.

Again, some negative comments tell me about things I don't need
and wouldn't want to pay for.

Maybe your idea of a negative comment is like your typical reply to
someone who disagrees with you, full of flagrant insults. That's not
my idea of a negative comment.
 
Rod Speed said:
My dog sings better than that when you tread on his tail |-)
Probably as tuneful as my cat.
It makes more sense to use a Core 2 Duo now, and overclocking is mad.
Yeah I'm sure it does. I'm not sure there's even much of an argument in
favour of AMD at the moment.
Unfortunately, with two 939 systems, I'm not ready to upgrade yet.

However the problem with recommending a motherboard is actually knowing how
good it is. Usually this knowledge only comes with time at which point it's
old and obselete anyway.

Cheers!
 
fwibbler said:
Probably as tuneful as my cat.

Yeah I'm sure it does. I'm not sure there's even much of an argument
in favour of AMD at the moment.
Unfortunately, with two 939 systems, I'm not ready to upgrade yet.

However the problem with recommending a motherboard is actually
knowing how good it is. Usually this knowledge only comes with time
at which point it's old and obselete anyway.

Nope, comments from someone who knows what they are doing
who has just installed one and had it work fine are very useful.

Trouble is that unless you have seen a background of lots of useful
posts in somewhere like here, it isnt always easy to work out who
is competant. Its obvious that Dave/Mike T isnt for example.
 
Sometimes positive comments are that way too.

Sure, I was just commenting on that particular claim of yours there.
Yes I do.

No you dont when they are made by fools that dont have a clue.
You have no reason to assume that someone
who makes a negative comment is a clown.

I never said I do assume that. I JUST pointed out that those made
by incompetant clowns are useless unless you are an incompetant
clown yourself and you use that comment as an indication that the
config of that particular system can bite incompetant clowns.
It depends on the particular negative comment.

Trouble is that it isnt always that easy to work out who are
the incompetant clowns from very brief negative comments.
A negative comment can be something like "that video
card doesn't come with games". That's good for me
because I don't like paying for random games.

They may not have even managed to get the negative comment
right and the card may not always ship with the games too.

I have bought stuff that does come with crap like that that I just bin.
I have established before buying that its good value anyway.
A negative comment can be something like "that USB flash drive
is too slow". That's good for my neighbor's computer because
they have USB 1.1 ports and aren't likely to upgrade for years.

Not necessarily, depends on whether its cheaper than one that isnt slow.
Again, some negative comments tell me about
things I don't need and wouldn't want to pay for.

You arent necessarily paying for it.
Maybe your idea of a negative comment is like your typical reply
to someone who disagrees with you, full of flagrant insults.
Nope.

That's not my idea of a negative comment.

It isnt mine either. I'm not stupid enough to give a flying red **** about the style.
 
Rod Speed said:

Negative comments are just as valuable as positive comments.
I was just commenting on that particular claim of yours there.

No you weren't.
No you dont

Yes I do.
when they are made by fools that dont have a clue.

That's not what I said.
I never said I do assume that.

Then your argument is pointless.
I JUST pointed out that those made
by incompetant clowns are useless

You have no reason to assume negative comments are made by
incompetent clowns.
unless you are an incompetant clown yourself

Or a pathologically insulting troll.
and you use that comment as an indication that the
config of that particular system can bite incompetant clowns.

Same for positive comments.
Trouble is that it isnt always that easy to work out who are
the incompetant clowns from very brief negative comments.

Same for positive comments.
They may not have even managed to get the negative comment
right and the card may not always ship with the games too.

Same for positive comments.
I have bought stuff that does come with crap like that that I just
bin. I have established before buying that its good value anyway.

You pay for what you get.
Not necessarily, depends on whether its cheaper than one that isnt
slow.

Or cheaper and higher-quality, or the same price and higher-quality.
You arent necessarily paying for it.

You pay for what you get.

There must be some motive for thinking that negative comments, more
so than positive comments, are made by incompetent fools. Or maybe
you are being contentious just to get attention. That would explain
you badgering Sylvia in (aus.legal). Maybe you need attention badly
and you're just confused about how to get it.
It isnt mine either. I'm not stupid enough to give a flying red
**** about the style.

It matters to the people you're trying to get attention from.
 
Rod Speed said:
Nope, comments from someone who knows what they are doing
who has just installed one and had it work fine are very useful.

Why don't you just admit that you badly need attention and you
aren't tactful enough to get it, but that here on USENET at least
you can see your words in print.
Trouble is that unless you have seen a background of lots of
useful posts in somewhere like here,

Or lots of technical posts from a nym shifting pathologically
insulting incessant troll that go without reply because naturally
most authors don't like being insulted.
it isnt always easy to work out who is competant.

It's easy to know someone is incompetent when you see him flagrantly
insulting someone while boldly making incorrect statements about a
subject fairly easy to understand.

For example:

Mindlessly silly.
 
Some desperately cowering gutless ****wit desperately cowering
behind John Doe <[email protected]> who is actually

Mark Bender
509 Frost,San Antonio, TX 78201
(210) 734-3107

wrote
Why don't you just admit that you badly need attention
and you aren't tactful enough to get it, but that here on
USENET at least you can see your words in print.

Why dont you admit that you are a desperately
cowering gutless ****wit that has never ever
had a ****ing clue about anything at all, ever ?
Or lots of technical posts from a nym shifting pathologically
insulting incessant troll that go without reply because
naturally most authors don't like being insulted.

I get more replys than you do, gutless.
It's easy to know someone is incompetent when you see him
flagrantly insulting someone while boldly making incorrect
statements about a subject fairly easy to understand.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh gutless ?

<the evidence that this desperately cowering gutless
****wit has nothing better to so with its time than to
follow me around usenet flushed where it belongs>
 
Negative comments are just as valuable as positive comments.
Nope.
No you weren't.

Yes I was.
Yes I do.

No you dont
That's not what I said.

You have always been, and always will be, completely and utterly
irrelevant. What shit you may or may not have spewed in spades.
Then your argument is pointless.
Nope.
You have no reason to assume negative
comments are made by incompetent clowns.

Corse you do when those negative comments just expose the fact that
that clown cant even manage to follow the basic instructions in the manual.
Or a pathologically insulting troll.

You wouldnt know what a troll was if it bit you on your lard arse, gutless.
Same for positive comments.
Nope.
Same for positive comments.

Nope, they've obviously got enough of a clue to be able to use that product.

In spades when incompetant clowns who cant even manage to read and
comprehend the manual have made negative comments about that product.
Same for positive comments.

Nope, they've obviously got enough of a clue to be able to use that product.

In spades when incompetant clowns who cant even manage to read and
comprehend the manual have made negative comments about that product.
You pay for what you get.

You dont necessarily pay a cent for what someone wants to get rid of.
Or cheaper and higher-quality, or the same price and higher-quality.

Pathetic, really. It aint necessarily about quality,
just the vintage of the technology, stupid.
You pay for what you get.

You dont necessarily pay a cent for what someone wants to get rid of.
There must be some motive for thinking that negative comments,
more so than positive comments, are made by incompetent fools.

The basis is obvious when the fools who make the negative comment
are flaunting the fact that they cant even manage to read and comprehend
the manual, to the specs of what they are making the comment about.
Or maybe you are being contentious just to get attention.

Or maybe you have never ever been able to bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.
That would explain you badgering Sylvia in (aus.legal).

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed fantasys, child.
Maybe you need attention badly and you're just confused about how to get it.

Corse you never ever do anything like that yourself, eh hypocrite ?
It matters to the people you're trying to get attention from.

Only the fools. You qualify in spades.
 
Back
Top