Motherboard drivers issue with VISTA

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Hi all,

I have just built my new PC and went with Vista Home Premium.

I cant install the drivers for my Asus P5B-E motherboard. I have searched
for the drivers on the ASUS website and downloaded them but i cant get them
to install (assuming that I have the correct ones).

I also cannot install the drivers for my Leadtek DVT1000T TV tuner?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as it has been very frustarting having
all this new gear that I can tget to work with VISTA.
 
Hi all,

I have just built my new PC and went with Vista Home Premium.

I cant install the drivers for my Asus P5B-E motherboard. I have searched
for the drivers on the ASUS website and downloaded them but i cant get them
to install (assuming that I have the correct ones).

I also cannot install the drivers for my Leadtek DVT1000T TV tuner?

Any help would be greatly appreciated as it has been very frustarting having
all this new gear that I can tget to work with VISTA.
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The level of incompetence in the personal computer industry is
legendary. Microsoft's Vista has been under development for over five
years. That itself is a joke. It isn't that hardware vendors aren't
aware, they play the endless blame game of pointing their fingers at
Microsoft for making changes for drivers requirements while Microsoft
points at them for dragging their feet. I just build a new so-called
"Vista Ready" system from the ground up. A Gigabyte board. They
finally put some Vista drivers on their site last week.

If you think that's stupid, and it is, the incompetence extends to
other big players like Award (major BIOS vendor) and Intel, the big
chip maker. To get SATA hard drives to work up to speed on some boards
you have to set BIOS to AHCI mode. Guess what, some dope at either
Intel or Award set it up so you can't unzip the needed drivers unless
you're already in AHCI mode, to protect against a conflict, which you
can't get into unless the drivers are installed. A classic which came
first, the chicken or the egg conflict. Yep, programmers who insist
now you call them software engineers are often that bone headed
stupid.

Nero a big player for CD and DVD burning software cranks out such crap
that the Vista Upgrade Advisor is likely to bitch to remove it.
Trouble here is you can't... not totally unless you first download
some special junk called cleanpak that has to tidy up after
Microsoft's add/remove utility that will tell you it uninstalled Nero,
but it don't, not all of it, and leave a few pieces behind and you're
sure to have a unstable system.

My favorite goof, again belongs to Microsoft. The Audio Video format
(AVI files) is the MOST popular video format period. There are many
flavors around. Microsoft's Media Player regardless of version hangs
trying to play many of them. This bug has been around for over 10
years and still remains unfixed.
 
Motherboard drivers for Windows are normally built into the OS install
otherwise the system would not run. Sometimes a later released of them are
required and then they might show up on the vendors Website.

Are the Leadtek drivers for your 32bit or 64 bit Vista the ones from the
following link?
 
Hi JW,

I have the 32 bit Vista. I dowloaded the drivers from the leadtech website.
Once they were dowloaded and extracted there is not setup button? Vista wont
allow me to use the disk that came with the hardware?

Which link did you mean?

Also you mentioned that the OS has the drivers for the Motherboard, so does
that mean everything needed is already put on? So do I only have to find the
drivers for my other devices that Vista cannot work with?

many thanks
 
JW said:
Motherboard drivers for Windows are normally built into the OS install
otherwise the system would not run. Sometimes a later released of them
are required and then they might show up on the vendors Website.

Are the Leadtek drivers for your 32bit or 64 bit Vista the ones from the
following link?
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Probably, you should have done a little research on the Web before
purchasing your hardware. Then you would have purchased *Vista-capable*
devices with *Vista* drivers available, and been prepared for the move to
Vista.

In case you did not know, Vista uses a different device driver model than
previous versions of Windows. You must install VISTA-capable drivers, since
not many manufacturers have released Vista-capable drivers yet. This is
true especially for system devices and even more so for Video/Printer
devices.

Order of Device Driver Installation:
1) Install the latest BIOS for your motherboard. Make sure this BIOS is
Vista-capable BEFORE downloading it.
2) Install the latest Intel INF installer (if you have any Intel devices).
This is ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY!!!
3) Install any system drivers next. These are usually supplied by the
motherboard manufacturer.
4) Install HD controller drivers. This is usually done during OS
installation if the controller is not resident on the motherboard. If the
HD controller is resident on the motherboard, the motherboard manufacturer
usually supplies it. If they don't have Vista-capable drivers, then you
will HAVE to purchase a HD controller from someone else, install it, and
install the drivers supplied with the controller. Again, make sure this
controller is Vista capable.

Once you are on the Vista Desktop:
1) Install Vista-capable video drivers on Vista capable cards. This means a
minimum of 128MB fast ram resident on the card itself, as well as being a
DirectX 9-capable card (for the Aero Desktop). These drivers must be "WDDM"
drivers (Vista driver model, or "Windows Display Driver Model").
2) Last of all, if Vista does not supply a working audio driver during
installation, you must obtain them from your video card manufacturer. If
these cards and drivers are not "Vista-capable", you will have a silent
desktop until you do.

ABOVE ALL, do NOT think to yourself, "They've always worked before, they
should work now...". This may or may not be true under previous versions of
Windows. It may or may not be true under Vista. The ONLY way you can be
sure is to buy only devices with drivers written expressly for Vista.

NOTE the difference between "Vista-compatible" and "Vista-capable":
"Vista-capable" means that it has been tested with Vista, and has been
proven to work consistently with Vista. "Vista-compatible" means that the
devices may or may not have been tested with Vista successfully, but were
actually manufactured for XP or other previous editions of Windows, and the
manufacturers can only say that "they SHOULD work with Vista". But they
won't give a guarantee that they will actually work under Vista in practice.
 
JW said:
Sorry forgot the link

http://leadtek.com/usa/support/download.asp?downlineid=142&downline=WINFAST DTV1000 T

There should be a setup file in the set of files extracted and should run
it.
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"Should be" and "are" are two different concepts entirely. Many devices are
not supplied with Setup.exe files on the CD. This is true especially for
Intel devices, which many times use the Intel INF installer to install them.
If your device driver disks contain no "setup.exe" files on them, look for a
"*.inf" file on them. To install drivers which are distributed this way,
you will have make sure the Intel INF installer is installed FIRST before
attempting to install them.

The Intel INF installer can only be found on Intel's website, or (usually)
from your motherboard/computer manufacturer site. There IS a newer Intel
INF installer on their website. Vista *.inf files are DIFFERENT than
previous versions of *.inf files, so you will need the INF installer which
is Vista-capable.
 
Probably, you should have done a little research on the Web before
purchasing your hardware. Then you would have purchased *Vista-capable*
devices with *Vista* drivers available, and been prepared for the move to
Vista.
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You would think that would make a differnce. LOL! I build a new system
a couple months back. EVERYTHING had the Vista ready seal, especially
the Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 MB. Guess what... Vista hung on its UBS
driver causing a stop 7B and BSOD. It also nagged about the Intel SATA
controllers, saying in classic Microsoft double talk, that it couldn't
find anything in the way of information about them but said, wink,
wink, your system was ready for upgrade to Vista. I did find new
XP/Vista combination SATA drivers and installed prior, but to be safe
I switched to IDE mode and there they sit, with all the other wacko
problems I'm seeing I'm afraid to turn them on in ACHI mode.
 
The Vista ready logo only means that the hardware is capable of running
basic Vista or Vista prmium it does not imply the the software required is
also available in the box or availble yet from either MS or the vendor,
 
The Vista ready logo only means that the hardware is capable of running
basic Vista or Vista prmium it does not imply the the software required is
also available in the box or availble yet from either MS or the vendor,
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I'm talking DRIVERS. If there is a Vista ready sticker on the product
that implys the HARDWARE, ie what's part of and build into the
motherboard for example COMES with Vista ready drivers. Theoretically
to follow your "logic" a computer bought today is "ready" to run
tomorrow's hardware. That kind of misleading statement obvious to
anyone that's build many systems knows it is isn't true. Yesterday's
CPU's had different socket designs, further spaced pin arrangements,
required much slower memory also in a different configuration, didn't
have a clue what a SATA drive was and didn't have a PCI Express Buss.
So in effect a Vista ready sticker seems meaningless IF the necessary
drivers are not included or available AT TIME OF PURCHASE on the
vendor's web site.

What it boils down to is consumer fraud. Answer how any vendor gets a
Vista ready sticker if in fact they are not supplying the necessary
drivers at the time of sale?

You want to know a dirty little secret?

Microsoft held off on including many necessary drivers because of
licensing disputes. Some of these drivers are on your system now or
were given to beta testers on early releases of Vista. But because of
still unresolved license disputes many of these drivers didn't make it
to the final retail release and are not included on the Vista DVD. In
fact there is at least one book that lists legacy XP drivers that DO
work with Vista that Microsoft's Vista Upgrade Advisor has been
deliberately blinded to. How's that for sneaky?

One such book is titled "Windows Vista Secrets", by Brian Livingston
and Paul Thurrott on Wiley Press ISBN 0-7645-7704-2. They cite their
souce for this "secret" list as Wendy Stidmon of Microsoft. I wonder
if she still works there after spilling the beans. <snicker>
 
Adam said:
You would think that would make a differnce. LOL! I build a new system
a couple months back. EVERYTHING had the Vista ready seal, especially
the Gigabyte GA-965P-DQ6 MB. Guess what... Vista hung on its UBS
driver causing a stop 7B and BSOD. It also nagged about the Intel SATA
controllers, saying in classic Microsoft double talk, that it couldn't
find anything in the way of information about them but said, wink,
wink, your system was ready for upgrade to Vista. I did find new
XP/Vista combination SATA drivers and installed prior, but to be safe
I switched to IDE mode and there they sit, with all the other wacko
problems I'm seeing I'm afraid to turn them on in ACHI mode.
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Whoa, my brother is considering getting a DQ6 for his next build. He
was going to install XP on it and then install Vista in a dual-boot
setup. Are you saying that Vista is not going to install because it
cannot deal with the Intel SATA controller? I don't think he'll be able
to benefit from the XP/Vista drivers you mention because he won't be
upgrading the XP installation.
Your thoughts?

How did you work around the USB stop 7B ??
 
Whoa, my brother is considering getting a DQ6 for his next build. He
was going to install XP on it and then install Vista in a dual-boot
setup. Are you saying that Vista is not going to install because it
cannot deal with the Intel SATA controller? I don't think he'll be able
to benefit from the XP/Vista drivers you mention because he won't be
upgrading the XP installation.
Your thoughts?

How did you work around the USB stop 7B ??
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I just disable USB from Device Manager while in XP. Microsoft installs
its own USB drivers for Vista that work fine.

The DQ6 is a slick board. Its just that you need to mess with it
(through BIOS) to get things working as you want.

There are finally new drivers on the Gigabyte web page. They support
both XP and Vista including the Intel SATA controller. Just remember
to first set everything to IDE while you're still in XP, then istall
Vista. If you get a BSOD during install its likely the Gigabyte RAID
controller or some external card which you can problaby remove until
Vista is installed. Disable or remove (I forgot which, you only have
one choice from Device Manager) BEFORE attempting to install Vista.
Then enable it again after Vista is up and running.

I haven't tried to go back to SATA mode in BIOS yet, but all my SATA
drives are working fine in IDE mode and I've got 4 of them right now,
two external and two internal humming along combined with a large IDE
drive on the single legacy channel on this MB.

The only advantage to changing to SATA mode in BIOS is it should be
much faster, especially if you setup a RAID and it should also make
any external SATA drive hot swapable. Haven't done it yet in Vista.
Worked ok in XP, after lots of trial and error to get the BIOS
settings a certain way. I got to clam down more first before repeating
in Vista. I can't take all the stress, I'm getting too old. <giggle>
 
Vista installed just fine on my almost 2 year old Intel MOBO with a SATA
drive connected to a onboard Sata connection.
 
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