more probs changing motherboard

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Hello again,

Thanks for the initial replies, I should add more detailed
information...

1) I have recently upgraded my motherboard (from an Intel
chipset to AMD) and after the change XP would not load.
After the BIOS checks XP starts to load a few files then
re-boots, this just looped and looped.

2) I have subsequently performed an in-place repair, now XP
get a little further and shows the boot screen (image +
prgress bar), but then goes to a blank screen, when it
should show the login screen. There is HDD activity for a
couple of minutes, but then it stops...

3) I have tried to force a change in the HAL because the
new motherboard is ACPI, still no joy.
4) I have tried to revert to the original motherboard and
still we get stuck at the same place.

I because the GUI cannot start I cannot get to the device
manager to see what is causing a problem. Starting with
boot logging enabled does not create a log file.

Safe mode does not work even if I try safe mode with
command prompt.

Any more ideas out there on how to move forward? I want to
try and avoid a clean install as there are a few documents
under the documents and settings that I missed during the
backup.

Also, is there any way to transfer files off the disk with
XP installed onto another NTFS HDD using the recovery
console or other means???

Many thanks in advance, Alan Barrington-Hughes
 
Use the XP CD to boot the recovery console, it is a command
prompt interface (looks like DOS). Copy the files you want
to save. Do a clean install.


| Hello again,
|
| Thanks for the initial replies, I should add more detailed
| information...
|
| 1) I have recently upgraded my motherboard (from an Intel
| chipset to AMD) and after the change XP would not load.
| After the BIOS checks XP starts to load a few files then
| re-boots, this just looped and looped.
|
| 2) I have subsequently performed an in-place repair, now
XP
| get a little further and shows the boot screen (image +
| prgress bar), but then goes to a blank screen, when it
| should show the login screen. There is HDD activity for a
| couple of minutes, but then it stops...
|
| 3) I have tried to force a change in the HAL because the
| new motherboard is ACPI, still no joy.
| 4) I have tried to revert to the original motherboard and
| still we get stuck at the same place.
|
| I because the GUI cannot start I cannot get to the device
| manager to see what is causing a problem. Starting with
| boot logging enabled does not create a log file.
|
| Safe mode does not work even if I try safe mode with
| command prompt.
|
| Any more ideas out there on how to move forward? I want to
| try and avoid a clean install as there are a few documents
| under the documents and settings that I missed during the
| backup.
|
| Also, is there any way to transfer files off the disk with
| XP installed onto another NTFS HDD using the recovery
| console or other means???
|
| Many thanks in advance, Alan Barrington-Hughes
|
|
|
 
In the name of "security" the XP recover console does not allow copying
files off of the PC, unless you first issue this command in the recovery
console screen:

Set allowremovablemedia = true

However, the recovery console will only accept this command if you first
change the registry while in normal windows mode:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\WindowsNT\CurrentVersion\Setup\
RecoveryConsole



Set the DWORD SetCommand value to 1



But, given where you are, you probably can not do that.

So, instead, think about the following method for getting your personal
files off the PC, then erase all partition, re-partition, re-format, and do
a clean install of XP;;

Get a win98 or winME boot disk, such as are available free at
www.bootdisk.com. Add read-only drives for NTFS, available free from:

http://www.systeminternals.com/ntw2k/freeware/NTFSDOS.shtml

If you need to save files larger than can fit on a floppy, and if you have
no internal ZIP drive, then look into getting USB drive3rs for DOS and
copying the files to an external USB drive. Such drivers are still a bit
hit and miss, working on some PCs and not others, but several are now
available. Start your quest for USB drivers here:

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=10215

Finally, if all else fails, download a vopy of KNOPPIX. This comes as an
ISO file that must be burned to a CD with software that can use such an
image as input. Easy CD and Nero can do this. KNOPPIX is a self-contained
LINUX distribrution that runs from the CD and does NOT install anything on
the PC. By default it treats the PC's internal disks as read-only. It can
handle NTFS, FAT32, USB, etc. However, the download is about 700 Meg, so
you will need a PC with a high-speed connection to the internet:

http://www.knoppix.net/

Additionally, Bart's PE builder can make a good boot/repair CD:

http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/index.php?p=1
 
Hey,

Thanks for the updates -- sadly I have not a spare PC and
the recovery console is not adaptable as one would like. I
have resolved the problem by disconnecting the drive with
XP installed, installed win2K on the second drive, swapped
master/ slave and rebooted and copied off what I needed
from the old primary, swapped jumpers back and reboooted
from the XP CD and cleaned installed. Looking forward to
the reinstallation of the program files directory (not..).

Ah well, ever day is a learning experience...

Kindest regards, Alan Barrington-Hughes
 
On Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:04:16 -0600, "Jim Macklin"
Use the XP CD to boot the recovery console, it is a command
prompt interface (looks like DOS). Copy the files you want
to save. Do a clean install.
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To do this, you must have first applied particular registry changes
while you could still run the system, else:
- no access to files on volumes other than C:
- no wildcard support (i.e. no Copy *.*, copy files one at a time)

NTFS can be a data death-trap for the unwary.


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cquirke replied to "Jim Macklin" , some timedate or other:
To do this, you must have first applied particular registry
changes while you could still run the system, else:
- no access to files on volumes other than C:
- no wildcard support (i.e. no Copy *.*, copy files one at a time)
Click to expand...
NTFS can be a data death-trap for the unwary.
Click to expand...

I forgot to mention the upside! If you avoided NTFS, it's quite easy
to copy off your files from a DOS mode boot. Even Long File Names can
be preserved, if you download Odi's LFN Tools, e.g...

LCopy C:\*. D:\ALLOFC /A /S

....will bulk dump all files with all attributes off C: to D:\ALLOFC

There are DOS tools to access NTFS, but in my experience, they work
poorly, and none of the free ones can be trusted to write to NTFS
(e.g. as cleaning active malware would require). I've tested:

1) An NTFS driver TSR from www.systeminternals.com
- takes a *large* amount of DOS memory (about 300k)
- does allow F-Prot for DOS to run
- fails to traverse the directory tree
- thus you have to work a small chunk at a time
- no LFNs (Odi's tools don't work through driver layer)

2) A stand-alone non-TSR NTFS reader utility
- this works well
- takes ages to read each directory
- doesn't "remember" prev dirs, has to re-read them
- allows copy and (as I recall) view
- doesn't allow arbitrary commands such as av or PKZip

The SystemInternals site also has a "pro" (paid-for) NTFS driver
layer, but this works differently; apparently this shells the hosts'
existing NTFS code within a DOS-extender or Win9x to read the system.
That's great for all those undocumented, subject-to-version-creep NTFS
feature detail, but will run any malware embedded in that code.

You can also try these alternate strategies:
- MS WinPE bootable NT CD (if you can get one)
- 3rd-party bootable NT CD
- CD-bootable Linux etc. with NTFS support

Even Linux advocates are tentitive about the last, suggesting one
should read but not write to NTFS. Read the small print, especially
on what NTFS versions (which can vary within the same NT version as
Service Packs are applied) are tested and/or supported.


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