Mobility FireGL 9000 - Open GL tab is GONE

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let me just explain that this is my first ATI card. I am using the latest
omega drivers and I no longer am able to adjust Open GL settings. There is
an extensive D3D tab but the Open GL tab is gone. The FireGL driver had no
D3D tab but it did have settings for Open GL (I understand that this card is
optimized for Open GL). Can anyone help?
I have the add-on program that comes with the Omega driver for Open GL but
that isn't the same.

TIA

Mark
 
there are major differences with the fire GL....I have an much older gl3000. I dont believe that GL's use direct x at all. Gls are
for producing animation and mechanical drawing...what are you trying to do with it....if its gaming you'll be disappointed...

MARKHAM, Ontario/ Munich, Germany - September 23 2002 - ATI Technologies Inc. (TSX:ATY, NASDAQ:ATYT) today announced the MOBILITYT
FIRE GLT 9000 visual processor for mobile workstation, based on ATI's ground-breaking MOBILITYT RADEONT 9000 visual processor.
Designed for advanced CAD/CAM and digital content creation (DCC), the MOBILITY FIRE GL 9000 delivers exceptional performance,
flexibility and value.

Hailed by CAD/CAM and DCC application providers, the MOBILITY FIRE GL 9000 offers design professionals stable workstation-class
graphics performance on a mobile platform and optimized OpenGL® drivers for lightning fast 3D and 2D graphics. With four parallel
rendering pipelines and up to 64MB of 128-bit DDR on-board integrated memory, the MOBILITY FIRE GL 9000 delivers groundbreaking
performance to power leading DCC and CAD software applications.

"The MOBILITY FIRE GL 9000 delivers desktop workstation performance combined with the flexibility of version 1.4 pixel shader
support and unparalleled power management," said Peter Edinger, Vice President and Managing Director, ATI Technologies (Europe)
GmbH. "With its raw power, rendering flexibility and anytime, anywhere mobility, it is the perfect solution for demanding digital
artists, developers and engineers who envision, design and create while on the move."

The MOBILITY FIRE GL 9000 is backed by ATI's FIRE GL development team, a dedicated group of workstation software and hardware
engineers who work closely with ATI customers and deliver fully optimized high-performance drivers. The MOBILITY FIRE GL 9000
provides users with software driver options for the most popular workstation operating environments including Windows 2000®/Windows
NT® and Linux with fully optimized OpenGL® custom extensions
 
damn sent to soon............your driver is not loaded coracle....most likely because you have been using multiple driver
versions....you have to clean everything out....if you can go back in a restore point before the first change, I would try that. Let
me also say that omega drivers will not convert that card to anything more than what it was designed for..IMO...
The card was made to do design work....not play games...I'm making an assumption, as your visiting the omega site.
 
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damn sent to soon............your driver is not loaded coracle....most likely because you have been using multiple driver
versions....you have to clean everything out....if you can go back in a restore point before the first change, I would try that. Let
me also say that omega drivers will not convert that card to anything more than what it was designed for..IMO...
The card was made to do design work....not play games...I'm making an assumption, as your visiting the omega site.
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let me just explain that this is my first ATI card. I am using the
latest omega drivers and I no longer am able to adjust Open GL
settings. There is an extensive D3D tab but the Open GL tab is gone.
The FireGL driver had no D3D tab but it did have settings for Open GL
(I understand that this card is optimized for Open GL). Can anyone
help? I have the add-on program that comes with the Omega driver for
Open GL but that isn't the same.
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On the 3D tab in the upper-left corner there is a radiobutton (choice).
Click on OpenGL. Voila, now Current Settings below shows your OpenGL
settings, and Custom... button brings panel to change them (incliding
SMARTSHADER). Think of this radiobutton as "tabs within tab". It's a
silly thing but they had to do it as they are already over the top with the
number of tabs. I'd much prefer a separate configuration utility versus
tabs in display settings.

Alexei
 
i do want to use the machine for gaming
wont the omega drive do it for me?
JAD said:
coracle? heheh damn spell chkr correctly ....would be the word
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restore point before the first change, I would try that.
 
I do not think so......it has been my experience, and again this goes back to the 3000..that they do not do gaming well, although
the drivers are enhanced for GL...its more for rendering...again going back to the 3000, but as you can see in the description I
sent you, it mentions 'rendering' but not in the 'gaming' realm of the term.
 
I think I know what is happening. Basically there are two versions of
OpenGL support DLL in ATI drivers: atioglxx.dll and atioglgl.dll. The
former is for mainstream ATI cards (and that's what is included with Omega
drivers), the latter is for FireGL cards. It also seems that the code in
these DLLs is able to recognize a particular type of chipset and refuses to
work with the other type (so that people with Mobility Radeon 9000 would
not turn it into Mobility FireGL 9000 just by using different driver). If
you are knowledgable enough you might be able to take atioglgl.dll from
your other driver set, add it to Omega's and fix *.inf (again looking at
how it is done in your other driver set) to install it properly. I've done
similar things in the past and it works if you know what you're doing.

Alexei
 
First, I spoke to ATI who told me that the card can not work as a D3D
card. Therefore, I re-installed the original FireGL driver.
However, I would like to use the card for D3D games.
What Alexei wrote intrigues me. Alexei - could you do for me what you
describe below? Do you think it would give me REAL D3d performance
(like a Radeon Mobility)??

Mark
 
(e-mail address removed) (Mark) wrote in
First, I spoke to ATI who told me that the card can not work as a D3D
card. Therefore, I re-installed the original FireGL driver.
However, I would like to use the card for D3D games.
What Alexei wrote intrigues me. Alexei - could you do for me what you
describe below? Do you think it would give me REAL D3d performance
(like a Radeon Mobility)??
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First, the rumour was that Mobility Radeon 9000 and Mobility FireGL 9000
were essentially the same thing except for chip id 4C66 vs 4C64. That's
what a particular driver checks to turn on/of certain features in code.
One reason I believed that is because at one point Compaq had drivers for
both chips (for two different lines of their laptop) and I was able to
compare them. They were identical. I actually managed to install
Mobility FireGL 9000 drivers on my laptop with Mobility Radeon 9000 by
replacing identification string in INF file. Then I installed a control
panel extension for OpenGL support in 3D apps for FireGL. Well, it
installed but never showed up - probably was checking real chip id. But
at least atioglgl.dll worked for Mobility Radeon 9000. I'm sure of that
because I did not have atioglxx.dll installed and yet I was able to run
games in OpenGL mode with most of settings up.

Well, that was a year ago. And drivers have come a long way since then.

I have not been modding ATI drivers lately because Omega does it on a
regular basis with a small delay to official drivers and Omega's are good
quality. I'm just sharing my findings and experiences. What I'm saying
is that I'm lazy/unwilling to do modding, especially modding for chip
that I do not have in my laptop(s) (no way to verify correctness).

Alexei
 
First, I spoke to ATI who told me that the card can not work as a D3D
card. Therefore, I re-installed the original FireGL driver.
However, I would like to use the card for D3D games.
What Alexei wrote intrigues me. Alexei - could you do for me what you
describe below? Do you think it would give me REAL D3d performance
(like a Radeon Mobility)??

Mark
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There is a new video driver for the Thinkpad T41p
(http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/document.do?lndocid=MIGR-41918)
which possibly gives DirectX 9 support:

"I. Summary of changes
version 7.911-030701m1-010183E/010185C
• (New) Support for ThinkPad T41/R50 and new model of ThinkPad X31.
• (New) DirectX 9 support.
• (New) Theater Mode support.
• (New) Support DVI monitor as boot display device."


Did anybody try the new driver already? Does it mean, that the
Thinkpad T40p with an Ati Mobility FireGL 9000 can give
HARDWARE-ACCELERATED support for DirectX 9 and can the T40p finally be
used for 3D-Gaming as well as any laptop with the Mobility Radeon 9000
Adapter? If anybody knows something about this: Please tell me!

Wendel
 
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