B
Ben
Just a suggestion if when we minimize the window it close
the program into the system tray instead of showing up on
the bar of windows open.
the program into the system tray instead of showing up on
the bar of windows open.
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Guest
hmm this feature is found on spysweeper and window xp
taskmanager.
taskmanager.
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Alan
This type of feature is annoying and possibly a serious
problem for the inexperienced user. When you minimize a
program such as Webroot's Window Washer when a cleaning
is in progress, you can not go back to the program simply
by pressing Alt-Tab, you must double-click the systray
icon to bring the window back up, that is if it is
showing in the systray (see paragraph below for
explaination). Users who might not know what to do will
spend hours trying to "fix a problem" that does not exist
causing them to use other products because they feel that
the program is buggy and they don't like the UI, which
likely will not meet MS UI design standards if this is
implemented.
Another serious issue to deal with is the annoying bug in
XP with regards to the icons that show up in the
systray. At times they all show, but usually only a few
show up. Most of the time, MSAS' icon does not show.
Many people feel this is somw sort of bug with MSAS, but
it is in fact a bug with XP. If when you minimize the
program to the systray and the icon is not showing, then
how is the user to get back to the program since they can
not use Alt-Tab (see above paragraph for explaination)?
Will MS force the users to delve into the Start Menu to
bring the program back to the desktop? I DO NOT think
they will even want to think about this since this
product is being developed to be easy to use even for the
most inept users out there, and doing so will cause most
of them to not even use the product since they DO NOT
have a clue as to how to bring the program back to the
desktop.
Alan
problem for the inexperienced user. When you minimize a
program such as Webroot's Window Washer when a cleaning
is in progress, you can not go back to the program simply
by pressing Alt-Tab, you must double-click the systray
icon to bring the window back up, that is if it is
showing in the systray (see paragraph below for
explaination). Users who might not know what to do will
spend hours trying to "fix a problem" that does not exist
causing them to use other products because they feel that
the program is buggy and they don't like the UI, which
likely will not meet MS UI design standards if this is
implemented.
Another serious issue to deal with is the annoying bug in
XP with regards to the icons that show up in the
systray. At times they all show, but usually only a few
show up. Most of the time, MSAS' icon does not show.
Many people feel this is somw sort of bug with MSAS, but
it is in fact a bug with XP. If when you minimize the
program to the systray and the icon is not showing, then
how is the user to get back to the program since they can
not use Alt-Tab (see above paragraph for explaination)?
Will MS force the users to delve into the Start Menu to
bring the program back to the desktop? I DO NOT think
they will even want to think about this since this
product is being developed to be easy to use even for the
most inept users out there, and doing so will cause most
of them to not even use the product since they DO NOT
have a clue as to how to bring the program back to the
desktop.
Alan
G
Guest
the feature works well on spysweeper no problem at all,
i've been using it for about 3 years now. i think that
user is smart enough to read the help section/manual
first. spysweeper is one of the best standalone
antispyware out there.
i've been using it for about 3 years now. i think that
user is smart enough to read the help section/manual
first. spysweeper is one of the best standalone
antispyware out there.
A
Alan
I think you are VERY naive about users and programming in
general! If you are a programmer you should go back to
school and take a few courses in programming from an
instructor that actually knows what they are doing.
Do you actually think that any one actually reads the
user manual these days? Don't kid yourself. Most people
simply look at the install section to make certain they
can install it and then never look back at it, usually
because they can't find it or "don't need it." Most
people think they can find everything they need to know
by looking through the Help menu or on the developer's
web site.
In programming, you never, AND I MEAN NEVER, assume that
the user is smart in any way! Look at all the people
that end up having to take their PCs in for maintenance
becuase they screwed something up. If you would actually
read the user manual that came with most software you
would see that it is written so that even the most
totally inept and stupid people out there cane use the
software without much problems. Programmers have to
assume that you have absolutely no computer skills since
many people have never used a computer before. Look at
all the eldery folks out there. Do you think that many
of them know what a mouce is, let alone how to use it?
If you think that even a few of these folks know the
answer to the above question, you might as well go and
back inside that tiny little bubble you call reality
because you will never succeed in life as a programmer,
or any technical position for that matter.
Just to let you know, I'm an electrical engineer and have
used many different computer languages over the years so
I might know a little bit about what I just said above!
Alan
general! If you are a programmer you should go back to
school and take a few courses in programming from an
instructor that actually knows what they are doing.
Do you actually think that any one actually reads the
user manual these days? Don't kid yourself. Most people
simply look at the install section to make certain they
can install it and then never look back at it, usually
because they can't find it or "don't need it." Most
people think they can find everything they need to know
by looking through the Help menu or on the developer's
web site.
In programming, you never, AND I MEAN NEVER, assume that
the user is smart in any way! Look at all the people
that end up having to take their PCs in for maintenance
becuase they screwed something up. If you would actually
read the user manual that came with most software you
would see that it is written so that even the most
totally inept and stupid people out there cane use the
software without much problems. Programmers have to
assume that you have absolutely no computer skills since
many people have never used a computer before. Look at
all the eldery folks out there. Do you think that many
of them know what a mouce is, let alone how to use it?
If you think that even a few of these folks know the
answer to the above question, you might as well go and
back inside that tiny little bubble you call reality
because you will never succeed in life as a programmer,
or any technical position for that matter.
Just to let you know, I'm an electrical engineer and have
used many different computer languages over the years so
I might know a little bit about what I just said above!
Alan
G
Guest
now thinking about it i totally agree with you.
-----Original Message-----
I think you are VERY naive about users and programming in
general! If you are a programmer you should go back to
school and take a few courses in programming from an
instructor that actually knows what they are doing.
Do you actually think that any one actually reads the
user manual these days? Don't kid yourself. Most people
simply look at the install section to make certain they
can install it and then never look back at it, usually
because they can't find it or "don't need it." Most
people think they can find everything they need to know
by looking through the Help menu or on the developer's
web site.
In programming, you never, AND I MEAN NEVER, assume that
the user is smart in any way! Look at all the people
that end up having to take their PCs in for maintenance
becuase they screwed something up. If you would actually
read the user manual that came with most software you
would see that it is written so that even the most
totally inept and stupid people out there cane use the
software without much problems. Programmers have to
assume that you have absolutely no computer skills since
many people have never used a computer before. Look at
all the eldery folks out there. Do you think that many
of them know what a mouce is, let alone how to use it?
If you think that even a few of these folks know the
answer to the above question, you might as well go and
back inside that tiny little bubble you call reality
because you will never succeed in life as a programmer,
or any technical position for that matter.
Just to let you know, I'm an electrical engineer and have
used many different computer languages over the years so
I might know a little bit about what I just said above!
Alan
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Alan
Sorry about that rant, but I was just trying to get the
point accross that MS doesn't want to alienate any users.
Alan
point accross that MS doesn't want to alienate any users.
Alan