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We all know the world is full of Microsoft Bashers - many of them, I believe,
don't even know why they hate Microsoft - they just think it's the right
thing to do. I've never been a Microsoft Basher. In fact, I've been a loyal
Microsoft user since DOS 3.0, or earlier.

I will agree, however, that Windows ME was an unmitigated disaster......no
question about it. And I seem to recall DOS 3.2 wasn't a huge success. But
aside from these less-than-stellar products I have, for the most part, been
quite happy with Microsoft products. Oh, I should confess I never liked Word
for DOS. Wordperfect in DOS days was King, no ifs, ands, or buts. That, of
course, all changed when we began moving to Windows - it was the end for
Wordperfect and the beginning of Microsoft Office which continues to reign
supreme to this day.

All this leads up to my wanting to say how very pleased I am with what I
have since in Vista. Like many others, I was very disappointed with Vista
Beta 2. In fact, it lasted on my system only a few days. But Microsoft
stepped up to the plate with RC1 and I have, among other things, been very
pleased, not to mention surprised, at the much improved speed of Vista over
XP Pro SR2.

Yes there's a learning curve, and yes not everything is to my exact liking -
it would be unrealistic of me, or anyone, to expect it to be so. However,
and the sole purpose of this message, I just wanted to say how overall
pleased I have been with Windows Vista. And I'm sure the final release will
only be better.

David
 
I am willing to say that if you tweak it enough its usable.. but far from
the dream and vision longhorn was....

Do you understand how much better vista COULD have been? How can I prove
this to you?
I cannot, but I know it. I just do, and I am suprised to see that very few
people in here have any
vision of the future and lack imagination to grasp this.

The only thing that I can say is that because MS has said that they will be
working on new OS version
every couple of years that they will gain back what they lost with vista....
 
My install of Vista is quite usable out of the box, as are thousands of
installs all over the globe. I didn't change memory settings, I didn't tweak
start up services, I simply stuck the DVD in and ran with it. Works fine.
Better than XP even.

Don't blame Microsoft for your lack of skills.

Anything could be better, but as usual, if you try to make something
perfect, you never release anything.


Bill F.
 
Bill said:
My install of Vista is quite usable out of the box, as are thousands of
installs all over the globe. I didn't change memory settings, I didn't
tweak start up services, I simply stuck the DVD in and ran with it.
Works fine. Better than XP even.

Don't blame Microsoft for your lack of skills.

Anything could be better, but as usual, if you try to make something
perfect, you never release anything.


Bill F.

What, exactly, is "better" in Vista over XP Pro?

Alias
 
John Jay Smith said:
I am willing to say that if you tweak it enough its usable.. but far from
the dream and vision longhorn was....

Do you understand how much better vista COULD have been? How can I prove
this to you?
I cannot, but I know it. I just do, and I am suprised to see that very few
people in here have any
vision of the future and lack imagination to grasp this.

Okay, so what are your ideas that would be good in an OS?
 
Vista RC1 is very 'smooth' compared to WinXP. It also recovers itself
nicely from a blue screen dump. It even tells you what went on and then
does it without 'any' hands on.
Vista has a lot of 'little extra features' as you move around in it that
make using it very nice. As I said, 'smooth' !

J
 
Security, UAT is a very cool feature for those of us supporting enterprise
environments, the use of random memory assignments on Vista startup are very
good to prevent a lot of the malware out there.

Search, much enhanced and much improved over XP, especially indexing and
seach folders.

IE7, no it's still not the same as the IE 7 that XP will be getting. IE 7 is
great.

SuperFetch and ReadyBoost/ReadyDrive. Enough said on both.

Previous Versions and enhanced backup/restore functionality, especially
SystemRestore. Makes the stuff in XP look silly.

The massive changes to the network stack and native IP6 support. Much better
wireless functionality.

Tonnes of features for business users, especially the Mobile PC changes, not
to mention secuity upgrades for Windows Firewall.

Shall I go on?


Bill F.
 
ttyman said:
Vista RC1 is very 'smooth' compared to WinXP. It also recovers itself
nicely from a blue screen dump.

Never had one of those with XP.
It even tells you what went on and then
does it without 'any' hands on.
Vista has a lot of 'little extra features' as you move around in it that
make using it very nice. As I said, 'smooth' !

J

Oh, eye candy. BFD. Is it also groovy and cool?

Alias
 
Bill said:
Security, UAT is a very cool feature for those of us supporting
enterprise environments, the use of random memory assignments on Vista
startup are very good to prevent a lot of the malware out there.

Never had a problem with security and XP, although I don't have much use
for the WGA/N spyware from MS. Not to mention the new kill switch in
Vista. Improved security my arse.
Search, much enhanced and much improved over XP, especially indexing and
seach folders.

Being able to search folders would be nice instead of drives but that's
not worth the money.
IE7, no it's still not the same as the IE 7 that XP will be getting.

XP is going to have a better IE7 than HastaLaVista?
IE
7 is great.

And "great" means?
SuperFetch and ReadyBoost/ReadyDrive. Enough said on both.

You didn't "say" anything about these features.
Previous Versions and enhanced backup/restore functionality, especially
SystemRestore. Makes the stuff in XP look silly.

I've never had to use system restore on any of my machines.
The massive changes to the network stack and native IP6 support. Much
better wireless functionality.

Don't use wireless, although I know people who do with XP and have no
problem with the "functionality".
Tonnes of features for business users,

Like?

especially the Mobile PC changes,
not to mention secuity upgrades for Windows Firewall.

Does it monitor outgoing traffic yet?
Shall I go on?


Bill F.

You most certainly will have to in order to convince me. What you've
said so far only rates a BFD. And that side bar with the large
analogical clock is really tacky.

Alias
 
Cutting out a lot of your drivel.

You may not have had a problem with security and XP, nor have I, but the
"everyman" and his/her ultimate lack of computer knowledge does.
Explain to me how the security in XP is superior to that in Vista please...
oh that's right, you can't.

XP's version of IE 7 is different than Vista's version, Vista's version is
more secure and has a few more features.

You didn't ask for details, you simply said "What, exactly, is "better" in
Vista over XP Pro?"

But since you asked...

Windows SuperFetch
SuperFetch understands which applications you use most, and preloads these
applications into memory, so your system is more responsive. SuperFetch uses
an intelligent prioritization scheme that understands which applications you
use most often, and can even differentiate which applications you are likely
to use at different times (for example, on the weekend versus during the
week), so that your computer is ready to do what you want it to do. Windows
Vista can also prioritize your applications over background tasks, so that
when you return to your machine after leaving it idle, it's still
responsive.

Windows ReadyBoost
Windows Vista introduces a new concept in adding memory to a system. Windows
ReadyBoost lets users use a removable flash memory device, such as a USB
thumb drive, to improve system performance without opening the box. Windows
ReadyBoost can improve system performance because it can retrieve data kept
on the flash memory more quickly than it can retrieve data kept on the hard
disk, decreasing the time you need to wait for your PC to respond. Combined
with SuperFetch technology, this can help drive impressive improvements in
system responsiveness.

Windows ReadyBoost technology is reliable and provides protection of the
data stored on your device. You can remove the memory device at any time
without any loss of data or negative impact to the system; however, if you
remove the device, your performance returns to the level you experienced
without the device. Additionally, data on the removable memory device is
encrypted to help prevent inappropriate access to data when the device is
removed.

Windows ReadyDrive
Windows ReadyDrive enables Windows Vista PCs equipped with a hybrid hard
disk to boot up faster, resume from hibernate in less time, preserve battery
power, and improve hard disk reliability. Hybrid hard disks are a new type
of hard disk, with integrated non-volatile flash memory.

The hybrid disk is intended for mobile PCs running Windows Vista. Your data
is written to the flash memory, which saves work for the mechanical hard
disk-saving the battery power. The hybrid disk helps Windows Vista resume
faster from Sleep because data can be restored from flash memory faster than
from the mechanical hard disk. And since more data is written to the
integrated flash memory than to the traditional hard disk, you have less
risk of hardware problems with the hard disk when you're on the move.
Windows Vista takes advantage of hybrid hard disk to save battery life,
resume use faster from hibernation, and improve reliability.


For more information on Vista's improvements over previous versions of
Windows, please review
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/forbiz/default.mspx.

Do us all a HUGE favor, you don't have to like Vista, no one, not Microsoft,
not the boogie man, not anyone on this newsgroup is forcing you to use
Vista...people like you and John need to:
1.) Educate yourselves before posting FUD
2.) Find something better to do. There are a LOT of people that do want to
learn about Vista and lots of people willing to help out when issues arise.

Bill F.


Never had a problem with security and XP, although I don't have much use
for the WGA/N spyware from MS. Not to mention the new kill switch in
Vista. Improved security my arse.
Being able to search folders would be nice instead of drives but that's
not worth the money.
XP is going to have a better IE7 than HastaLaVista?
And "great" means?

You didn't "say" anything about these features.
 
Maybe if people would not steal software and illegally copy it then DRM as
well as WPA/WGN would not be necessary.

regards
Robert
 
Wow... you sure are full of yourself. So sad that you have to endure the
rest of the world.

Lang
 
Bill,

You leave out what I consider to be one of Vista's major advancements over
XP: desktop now drawn by DirectX; less crashes due to graphics issues and
the GPU now handles the task, offloading it from the CPU. Imagine the
possiblities...

Lang
 
David Hankinson said:
Like many others, I was very disappointed with Vista Beta 2.

I found stupid that people disappointed on a beta software. Do you know what
a beta software is?
 
Bill said:
Cutting out a lot of your drivel.

LOL! Ostrich/sand.

Can you at least answer this "drivel"?:

especially the Mobile PC changes,
not to mention secuity upgrades for Windows Firewall.

Does it monitor outgoing traffic yet?
Tonnes of features for business users,
Like?


You may not have had a problem with security and XP, nor have I, but the
"everyman" and his/her ultimate lack of computer knowledge does.

Not the ones I know. I can't be responsible for the "everyman" you hang
out with. If you add third party programs like a firewall, anti virus,
anti malware, etc. XP is very secure.
Explain to me how the security in XP is superior to that in Vista
please... oh that's right, you can't.

Yeah, I can. With XP I have the security that the anti piracy crap won't
trigger the kill switch.
XP's version of IE 7 is different than Vista's version, Vista's version
is more secure and has a few more features.

There's always been a good reason to stay away from IE. I am sure
Firefox 2.0 will kick the socks off of IE7.
You didn't ask for details, you simply said "What, exactly, is "better"
in Vista over XP Pro?"

Key word: "exactly".
But since you asked...

Windows SuperFetch
SuperFetch understands which applications you use most, and preloads
these applications into memory, so your system is more responsive.
SuperFetch uses an intelligent prioritization scheme that understands
which applications you use most often, and can even differentiate which
applications you are likely to use at different times (for example, on
the weekend versus during the week), so that your computer is ready to
do what you want it to do. Windows Vista can also prioritize your
applications over background tasks, so that when you return to your
machine after leaving it idle, it's still responsive.

The programs I use open up in seconds. Any faster would be excessive and
completely unnecessary.
Windows ReadyBoost
Windows Vista introduces a new concept in adding memory to a system.
Windows ReadyBoost lets users use a removable flash memory device, such
as a USB thumb drive, to improve system performance without opening the
box. Windows ReadyBoost can improve system performance because it can
retrieve data kept on the flash memory more quickly than it can retrieve
data kept on the hard disk, decreasing the time you need to wait for
your PC to respond. Combined with SuperFetch technology, this can help
drive impressive improvements in system responsiveness.

I know how to unscrew two screws, take the side off and add more memory.
Puhlease, this is a benefit worth money?
Windows ReadyBoost technology is reliable and provides protection of the
data stored on your device. You can remove the memory device at any time
without any loss of data or negative impact to the system; however, if
you remove the device, your performance returns to the level you
experienced without the device. Additionally, data on the removable
memory device is encrypted to help prevent inappropriate access to data
when the device is removed.

I don't need that either as I don't have anyone messing with my computer
but me. My data is on a different partition and is back upped daily to
an external hard drive.
Windows ReadyDrive
Windows ReadyDrive enables Windows Vista PCs equipped with a hybrid hard
disk to boot up faster, resume from hibernate in less time, preserve
battery power, and improve hard disk reliability. Hybrid hard disks are
a new type of hard disk, with integrated non-volatile flash memory.

My computer boots up in 52 seconds. I never use hibernate. Batteries are
really cheap but I've never had to replace one.
The hybrid disk is intended for mobile PCs running Windows Vista. Your
data is written to the flash memory, which saves work for the mechanical
hard disk-saving the battery power. The hybrid disk helps Windows Vista
resume faster from Sleep because data can be restored from flash memory
faster than from the mechanical hard disk. And since more data is
written to the integrated flash memory than to the traditional hard
disk, you have less risk of hardware problems with the hard disk when
you're on the move. Windows Vista takes advantage of hybrid hard disk to
save battery life, resume use faster from hibernation, and improve
reliability.

I don't own a "mobile" PC (I assume you mean laptop) and never will.
For more information on Vista's improvements over previous versions of
Windows, please review
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/features/forbiz/default.mspx.

Do us all a HUGE favor, you don't have to like Vista, no one, not
Microsoft, not the boogie man, not anyone on this newsgroup is forcing
you to use Vista...people like you and John need to:
1.) Educate yourselves before posting FUD
2.) Find something better to do. There are a LOT of people that do want
to learn about Vista and lots of people willing to help out when issues
arise.

Bill F.

Are you saying I shouldn't exercise my right to freedom of speech? I too
want to learn about Vista, which is why I am asking these questions. I
also, like you, want to offer my opinion. If you don't like it, ignore
my posts.

Alias
 
Robert said:
Maybe if people would not steal software and illegally copy it then DRM
as well as WPA/WGN would not be necessary.

regards
Robert

Forcing paying customers to do police work will never sit well with me
and your crying over how much money one of the largest corportations in
the world is losing is pathetic, especially when you consider the
*billions* MS made with unprotected OSes like W2K and W98.

A musician did an experiment. He sold his songs from a web site. First
he only allowed people to listen to 30 seconds of the song and then, if
they liked it, they could download the whole song for a price. He then
tried letting people download the song and pay on honor. Guess which
method gave him the most sales.

Back when the cassette tape and VHS came out, the music industry and the
movie industry was whining all over the place about losing money to
"casual piracy". Last I checked, cassette tapes and VHS didn't drive
those industries out of business.

You, like MS, assume that people will steal if given the opportunity.
Facts prove otherwise. People as a whole aren't as dishonest as you and
MS seem to think.

Alias
 
1.) Does it monitor outgoing traffic yet? Yes. Apparently you haven't tried
it or you would have seen yourself.
2.) Keep your copy of Windows legal and you won't have to worry about the
anti-piracy crap.
3.) I have Firefox RC2 installed, I don't see anything that knocks the socks
off of IE...
4.) YOU are not the only person using Windows, there are hundreds of
thousands if not millions of people were SuperFetch will greatly enhance
their speed at which they work.
5.) What do you do if you DON'T know how to upgrade your RAM, or if your
motherboard cannot support RAM, or if your RAM upgrade will force you to
move from 512 MB DIMM's to 1024 MB DIMMS or 1024 to 2048? Again, the world
does not revolve around Alias~-.
6.) With ReadyDrive mine boots in less than 15.
7.) Mobile PC's continue to grow in market share, once again, the world does
NOT revolve around Alias~-.


You don't want to hear about Vista, you want to complain about it. The proof
is in the pudding (or in this case, your posts).


Bill F.
 
Bill said:
1.) Does it monitor outgoing traffic yet? Yes. Apparently you haven't
tried it or you would have seen yourself.

That's nice. About time.
2.) Keep your copy of Windows legal and you won't have to worry about
the anti-piracy crap.

Ever hear the term "false positive"? MS doesn't have thousands of out
sourced workers all over the third world because the WPA/WGA always works.
3.) I have Firefox RC2 installed, I don't see anything that knocks the
socks off of IE...

If you say so.
4.) YOU are not the only person using Windows, there are hundreds of
thousands if not millions of people were SuperFetch will greatly enhance
their speed at which they work.

They should run out and buy Vista then.
5.) What do you do if you DON'T know how to upgrade your RAM,

Erm, teach them how? It's not exactly rocket science.
or if your
motherboard cannot support RAM, or if your RAM upgrade will force you to
move from 512 MB DIMM's to 1024 MB DIMMS or 1024 to 2048? Again, the
world does not revolve around Alias~-.

No, but helpful people on boards like this and elsewhere will direct
people who need to upgrade RAM to sites like crucial.com, not run out
and buy Vista.
6.) With ReadyDrive mine boots in less than 15.

Wow, that's fast but not high on my list of priorities.
7.) Mobile PC's continue to grow in market share, once again, the world
does NOT revolve around Alias~-.

Well, I guess people who are into mobile PC's should run out and buy Vista.
You don't want to hear about Vista, you want to complain about it.
False.

The
proof is in the pudding (or in this case, your posts).


Bill F.

I probably will end up getting Vista but not until after its SP2 comes
out. In the meantime, I will watch what happens to people like you.

Alias
 
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