Microsoft clarifies Vista activation

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That was an interesting link but,
MS will have to pay me money, as well as gimme a free copy of Vista, PLUS
supply me with a NEW system box ....and then I'll think about spending some
of my time familiarising myself with Windows Vista :-)

regards, Richard
 
OMG.....is this guy for real?
Jerry P
RJK said:
That was an interesting link but,
MS will have to pay me money, as well as gimme a free copy of Vista, PLUS
supply me with a NEW system box ....and then I'll think about spending
some of my time familiarising myself with Windows Vista :-)

regards, Richard
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If this is legit, then it seems, not that they clarified anything, but that
they backed off from their previous position. The EULA did not say anything
about 10 activations, it said 2.

Unfortunately this doesn't change anything for me, it is pretty clear which
direction MS is moving with all of this, and I am not going to play the
game. MS is going to take you kicking and screaming, into whatever direction
brings them the most revenue. Too much screaming and they will back off till
either the next release, or the next service pack.

I have begun familiarizing myself with two Linux distrobutions, one
available at freespire.org, and the other available at ubuntu.com. The
freespire OS is a bit simpler, but ubuntu is pretty simple too, and the
ubuntu people will ship you the OS 'FREE OF CHARGE' that's right 'NO
SHIPPING CHARGE'. I am slowly moving away from MS, beginning immediately.
Eventually I suspect MANY people will be doing the same, and I want to be
ahead of the curve.

Phil
 
Phil Miller said:
If this is legit, then it seems, not that they clarified anything, but
that they backed off from their previous position. The EULA did not say
anything about 10 activations, it said 2.

Unfortunately this doesn't change anything for me, it is pretty clear
which direction MS is moving with all of this, and I am not going to play
the game. MS is going to take you kicking and screaming, into whatever
direction brings them the most revenue. Too much screaming and they will
back off till either the next release, or the next service pack.

I have begun familiarizing myself with two Linux distrobutions, one
available at freespire.org, and the other available at ubuntu.com. The
freespire OS is a bit simpler, but ubuntu is pretty simple too, and the
ubuntu people will ship you the OS 'FREE OF CHARGE' that's right 'NO
SHIPPING CHARGE'. I am slowly moving away from MS, beginning immediately.
Eventually I suspect MANY people will be doing the same, and I want to be
ahead of the curve.

Phil
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Everyone makes their own path in life based on their own needs. Just be
careful that you get so far "ahead of the curve" that you can't see what is
coming around the corner.
 
Jerry said:
OMG.....is this guy for real?
Jerry P
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Maybe just a bit of hyperbole on his part, but really dig deep and ask
yourself this:

"Does Vista do anything that a) I can't do already, and b) That I actually,
really, hand on heart_need_ to do?". If the answer to both of those is "Yes"
then I wonder how you managed to cope up to now if you really did _need_ it,
but fair enough upgrade and enjoy it.

For a lot of people, the answer will be somewhere between "No", "Don't know"
and "I just used whatever came with the computer, I don't care how it works
as long as it does."
 
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 17:00:40 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"

}Microsoft clarifies Vista activation

Sounds to me that MS was listening to all of the complaints about the
EULA and graciously backed-off. I can live with 10 activations much
easier than 2.

I wonder if after a system crash re-installing Vista would count toward
the 10 (if the hardware remained the same)?

Later,
Dave
 
If the hardware remained the same, it shouldn't count at all.
Shouldn't. But still might.

I don't put much faith in this "clarification". MS isn't enforcing the
letter of the XP Eula, and I thought that they might similarly be
somewhat more lienient with Vista than the Eula requires.

BUT ... first, this "clarification" is not in writing, and is informal.
We don't know that it's geniune, and even if it is, it's not binding.

Second, saying that the won't enforce the letter of the Eula is not the
same as changing the Eula. Even if the staement is legitimate and
accurately reflects what they are going to do at this time, they could
still go back to strict enforcement of the Eula at some future time.

I'd much rather see them come out and actually revise the Eula sometime
before Vista begins shipping.

And they also need to clarify, if the policy is 10 activations, just
what constitutes and uses up one of those 10 activations.
 
There is a difference between "10 activations" and "10 transfers".

If you wipe the hard drive (even the same hard drive) and reinstall (on
the same hardware), that will be an "activation". It won't be a
"transfer". It should not count (towards anything ... you should be
able to do that 10,000 times if you want to), but it's not clear if it
does or does not.

The "clarification" remains unclear.
 
Carey said:
Microsoft clarifies Vista activation
http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2006/10/26/Microsoft_clarifies_Vista_activation_to_bit-tech/
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This article doesn't address the fact that the XP retail license allowed
(or at least was universally interpreted to allow) unlimited transfers
to any different machine, provided it was only on one machine at a time.
These arguments about what constituted a new machine were completely
irrelevant.

That is why some people, myself included, were prepared to pay the
higher price of the retail license. The Vista retail license is equally
(maybe more) expensive, but only allows one transfer without getting
into arguments about hardware. It is therefore much closer to the XP OEM
license, which was much less expensive.

Apples and oranges.

David Wilkinson
 
Barry said:
If the hardware remained the same, it shouldn't count at all.
Shouldn't. But still might.

I don't put much faith in this "clarification". MS isn't enforcing the
letter of the XP Eula, and I thought that they might similarly be
somewhat more lienient with Vista than the Eula requires.

BUT ... first, this "clarification" is not in writing, and is informal.
We don't know that it's geniune, and even if it is, it's not binding.

Second, saying that the won't enforce the letter of the Eula is not the
same as changing the Eula. Even if the staement is legitimate and
accurately reflects what they are going to do at this time, they could
still go back to strict enforcement of the Eula at some future time.

I'd much rather see them come out and actually revise the Eula sometime
before Vista begins shipping.

And they also need to clarify, if the policy is 10 activations, just
what constitutes and uses up one of those 10 activations.
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I would have to agree. A verbal "clarification" to someone else from an
anonymous, alleged MS employee of some type has no impact whatsoever on
the EULA that will come with a retail purchase of Vista.
 
A comparison could be made here ? ...between those who tried to stay with
Win98 and then finally had to move to XP (inc. me),
and those who are using XP and may eventually simply have to move "forwards"
to Vista ?

Who knows what underhand and secret deals MS is making with hardware
manufacturers ?
Just look at the high initial hardware specification / requirement for Vista
?

regards, Richard
 
Phil Miller said:
I am slowly moving away from MS, beginning immediately. Eventually I
suspect MANY people will be doing the same, and I want to be ahead of the
curve.
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Except that moving to Linux puts you *behind* the curve, as well as behind
the times.

Mike
 
Except that moving to Linux puts you *behind* the curve, as well as behind
the times.
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Linux is so far behind the curve, it doesn't even have DRM, WPA, or WGAN.
:oP
 
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