Master Browser within Win2k pure environment ?

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Dominic

Hi,

I hope that someone can help me on this one...

Within a Win2k pure environment (Active Directory)... do we still need
a Master Browser??? Is the Master Browser replaced by another Win2k
service? How it's work?? Do we still need the Master Browser for
browsing the "My Network Place" even it's pure Win2k Active
Directory... without PDC ? I'm a little bit confuse here!!

And what's about when we have multiple subnets??? How workstations on
vlanB can
browse ressource on the Active Directory (Master Domain) that is on
vlanA??

Thank for your precious help!
Regards,

Dominic Longpre (CCNA,CSPFA PIX Certified)
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Good question! From KB 197132 (see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=197132):

"Windows 2000 clients (workstations and member servers) and down-level
clients that have installed the distributed services client package use the
Active Directory to locate network resources. They do not require the
Windows NT Browser service."

Here's more from Windows Server 2003 documentation onling
(http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techr
ef/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techr
ef/en-us/w2k3tr_netbro_what.asp):

"In pure Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, and Windows 2000 environments that
are configured to use Active Directory, Active Directory itself can display
information about available network resources. In Windows 98 and Windows
Millennium Edition, however, Computer Browser service must be used for this
purpose. Computer Browser service is also still required in Windows Server
2003, Windows XP, and Windows 2000 for using applications such as My Network
Places and Windows Explorer, or the net view command."

HTH

--
Cheers, Mitch Tulloch
Windows Server Hacks
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/winsvrhks/

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We still need to use "My Network Place"! It's not my decision.

Here the problem:
We have multiple routed subnets... I understand the fact that on each
subnet there is a Master Browser election. This Master Browser must
communicate with the Domain Master Browser to get the entire network
shared ressources of each subnets. The problem is, sometime,... I SAID
SOMETIME, depending who is electing as Master Browser on a particular
subnet, we have a partiel browsing list... i.e. only the network
ressource of this particular subnet. It's look like that the Master
Browser don't receive the entire list from the Domain Master
Browser... However, this Master Browser can ping by name... can browse
the AD of this Domain Master Browser. If we shutdown this Master
Browser... a new Master Browser is electing on this subnet... and NOW,
we get the entire network list.

Why some workstations on the same subnet who acting as Master Browser
can get the entire browser list from the Domain Master Browser and
some others workstations DON'T ???? All workstations on this subnet
have the same TCP/IP... DNS, WINS configuration. They all get their
TCP/IP setting from the DHCP server.

What can I do? What do you suggest?? Please, don't tell me to read the
Microsoft Technet or something like that... I almost read all this
stuff regarding the "BROWSING BLABLA" but nothing interresting for my
problem !! I need EXPERT !!!!!

I'm CONFUSE... and I need HELP !!!

Best regard,
DLONGPRE, CCNA&CSPFA - PIX Certified
 
in message
: We still need to use "My Network Place"! It's not my decision.
:
: Here the problem:
: We have multiple routed subnets... I understand the fact that on each
: subnet there is a Master Browser election. This Master Browser must
: communicate with the Domain Master Browser to get the entire network
: shared ressources of each subnets. The problem is, sometime,... I SAID
: SOMETIME, depending who is electing as Master Browser on a particular
: subnet, we have a partiel browsing list... i.e. only the network
: ressource of this particular subnet. It's look like that the Master
: Browser don't receive the entire list from the Domain Master
: Browser... However, this Master Browser can ping by name... can browse
: the AD of this Domain Master Browser. If we shutdown this Master
: Browser... a new Master Browser is electing on this subnet... and NOW,
: we get the entire network list.
:
: Why some workstations on the same subnet who acting as Master Browser
: can get the entire browser list from the Domain Master Browser and
: some others workstations DON'T ???? All workstations on this subnet
: have the same TCP/IP... DNS, WINS configuration. They all get their
: TCP/IP setting from the DHCP server.
:
: What can I do? What do you suggest?? Please, don't tell me to read the
: Microsoft Technet or something like that... I almost read all this
: stuff regarding the "BROWSING BLABLA" but nothing interresting for my
: problem !! I need EXPERT !!!!!
:
: I'm CONFUSE... and I need HELP !!!
:
: Best regard,
: DLONGPRE, CCNA&CSPFA - PIX Certified
:
:
:
: > Good question! From KB 197132 (see
: > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?kbid=197132):
: >
: > "Windows 2000 clients (workstations and member servers) and down-level
: > clients that have installed the distributed services client package use
the
: > Active Directory to locate network resources. They do not require the
: > Windows NT Browser service."
: >
: > Here's more from Windows Server 2003 documentation onling
: >
(http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/WindowsServ/2003/all/techr
: >
ef/en-us/Default.asp?url=/resources/documentation/windowsServ/2003/all/techr
: > ef/en-us/w2k3tr_netbro_what.asp):
: >
: > "In pure Windows Server 2003, Windows XP, and Windows 2000 environments
that
: > are configured to use Active Directory, Active Directory itself can
display
: > information about available network resources. In Windows 98 and Windows
: > Millennium Edition, however, Computer Browser service must be used for
this
: > purpose. Computer Browser service is also still required in Windows
Server
: > 2003, Windows XP, and Windows 2000 for using applications such as My
Network
: > Places and Windows Explorer, or the net view command."
: >
: > HTH
: >
: > --
: > Cheers, Mitch Tulloch
: > Windows Server Hacks
: > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/winsvrhks/
: >
: > This posting is provided AS IS with no warranties and confers no rights.
: >
: >
: > : > > Hi,
: > >
: > > I hope that someone can help me on this one...
: > >
: > > Within a Win2k pure environment (Active Directory)... do we still need
: > > a Master Browser??? Is the Master Browser replaced by another Win2k
: > > service? How it's work?? Do we still need the Master Browser for
: > > browsing the "My Network Place" even it's pure Win2k Active
: > > Directory... without PDC ? I'm a little bit confuse here!!
: > >
: > > And what's about when we have multiple subnets??? How workstations on
: > > vlanB can
: > > browse ressource on the Active Directory (Master Domain) that is on
: > > vlanA??

Only DCs should be participating in domain elections. This should be
disabled on all workstation and member servers.

--
Roland Hall
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How-to: Windows 2000 DNS:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;EN-US;308201
 
Hello All,

Everytime you reboot there will be an election. The broswer service
dictates whether or not a computer will take place in the election. A
computer can still browse the network via "My network places" with the
computer browser service disabled. Using AD is more along the lines of a
search instead of browsing. Browsing via "My network places" is always
based off of WINS and/or broadcasts.

First I would make sure that all computers have a registration on the WINS
server. Alot of the times, this problem is caused by a 3rd party
application that is interfering with the natural behavior of NetBIOS, and
in particular the Host Announcements that it will attempt every 12 minutes.
Alternatively, it could be a simple as the fact that NetBIOS over TCPIP is
unbound from all interfaces. When domains are split across routers or IP
subnets, each segment will function as an independent browsing entity with
its own Master Browser and Backup Browsers. Therefore, browser elections
will occur within each network segment.

As per:
188305 Troubleshooting the Microsoft Computer Browser Service
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=188305

To avoid experiencing intermittent browser functionality and having to
perform these tests, you may need to dedicate computers on each segment to
maintain a consistent domain-wide list. If servers are frequently shut down
and restarted, consider placing a BDC if the number of segments is not
large, or at minimum a Windows-based member server on each segment with the
IsDomainMaster registry setting set to True. This will give the server an
edge during elections in becoming the master browser for the segment.

As per:
191611 Symptoms of Multihomed Browsers
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=191611

For Domain Master Browsers
To encourage singlehomed computers to become the browser servers, use
Registry Editor (Regedt32.exe) to edit the following registry key:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters\
IsDomainMaster

Change the value of this key to "yes" (without the quotation marks), quit
Registry Editor, and then restart your computer.

As per:
191611 Symptoms of Multihomed Browsers
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=191611

For Segment Master browsers to maintian the server list for each segment
look at:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Browser\Parameters\
MaintainServerList
Set to Yes.




Shane Brasher
MCSE (2003,2000,NT),MCSA Security, Network+, A+
Microsoft Technical Support

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