Manual configurationof NAV in NetScape 7.2

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Presently, what appears to be the "critical" part of my PREFS.JS file is:
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory", "C:\\WINDOWS\\APPLICATION
DATA\\Mozilla\\Profiles\\robertbaer\\v0bfa6zg.slt\\Mail\\mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory-rel",
"[ProfD]Mail/mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.hostname", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.login_at_startup", true);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.mdn_report_enabled", false);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.name", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.numHdrsToKeep", 30);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realhostname", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realuserName", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.type", "pop3");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.userName", "robertbaer");
And i have been trying various variants and places for these
recommended strings: "robertbaer/mail.earthlink.net" and
"(e-mail address removed)".
I have not been able to find the magic combination that allows NAV to
see and scan e-mails.

Anyone know how to do that?
Please give eXplicit working example.
 
Robert said:
Presently, what appears to be the "critical" part of my PREFS.JS file is:
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory", "C:\\WINDOWS\\APPLICATION
DATA\\Mozilla\\Profiles\\robertbaer\\v0bfa6zg.slt\\Mail\\mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory-rel",
"[ProfD]Mail/mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.hostname", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.login_at_startup", true);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.mdn_report_enabled", false);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.name", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.numHdrsToKeep", 30);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realhostname", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realuserName", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.type", "pop3");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.userName", "robertbaer");
And i have been trying various variants and places for these
recommended strings: "robertbaer/mail.earthlink.net" and
"(e-mail address removed)".
I have not been able to find the magic combination that allows NAV to
see and scan e-mails.

Anyone know how to do that?
Please give eXplicit working example.
Click to expand...
Usually in Outlook Express it uses 127.0.0.1 instead of
..norton.antivirus
 
Presently, what appears to be the "critical" part of my PREFS.JS file is:
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory", "C:\\WINDOWS\\APPLICATION
DATA\\Mozilla\\Profiles\\robertbaer\\v0bfa6zg.slt\\Mail\\mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory-rel",
"[ProfD]Mail/mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.hostname", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.login_at_startup", true);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.mdn_report_enabled", false);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.name", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.numHdrsToKeep", 30);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realhostname", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realuserName", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.type", "pop3");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.userName", "robertbaer");
And i have been trying various variants and places for these
recommended strings: "robertbaer/mail.earthlink.net" and
"(e-mail address removed)".
I have not been able to find the magic combination that allows NAV to
see and scan e-mails.
Click to expand...

What rev of NAV are you using?

2003 and above supposedly monitor the incoming mail port 110 and
outgoing mail port 25 for email messages without having to change your
email settings (using "ccEmailProxy").

This counts on your manual GUI input to NAV settings. The mail program
should not be running when these NAV settings are altered.

I had thought that only NAV2002 and earlier required Mailer server
info alterations in the mailer properties GUI. The Symantec knowledge
base seems to have been recently scrubbed of the relevent pages.

The one reference I found -

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2FD2433B

How are you testing the effects of your manipulations, to confirm
scanning? Are you mailing yourself Eicar test files, or simply looking
at taskbar icons?

I'm not familiar with correct manual editing methods for the prefs,js
file. It typically is headed with a warning -

"This is a generated file! Do not edit.",

- in the earlier versions of Netscape that I'm familiar with. Parts of
it might be rewritten, without your direct knowledge or control,
regardless of your text manipulations.

Be sure you're editing the right file in the right location, anyways.
Both mozilla and netscape will have one - yours seems to use the
mozilla default directory - perhaps this is a normal characteristic of
later-rev netscape versions. (yes, I know they are related).

RL
 
Robert Baer answered:
Presently, what appears to be the "critical" part of my PREFS.JS file is:
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory", "C:\\WINDOWS\\APPLICATION
DATA\\Mozilla\\Profiles\\robertbaer\\v0bfa6zg.slt\\Mail\\mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory-rel",
"[ProfD]Mail/mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.hostname", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.login_at_startup", true);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.mdn_report_enabled", false);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.name", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.numHdrsToKeep", 30);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realhostname", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realuserName", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.type", "pop3");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.userName", "robertbaer");
And i have been trying various variants and places for these
recommended strings: "robertbaer/mail.earthlink.net" and
"(e-mail address removed)".
I have not been able to find the magic combination that allows NAV to
see and scan e-mails.

Anyone know how to do that?
Please give eXplicit working example.
Click to expand...

The incoming server is 'pop.earthlink.net'
and outgoing is smtpauth.earthlink.net
 
legg said:
Presently, what appears to be the "critical" part of my PREFS.JS file is:
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory", "C:\\WINDOWS\\APPLICATION
DATA\\Mozilla\\Profiles\\robertbaer\\v0bfa6zg.slt\\Mail\\mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory-rel",
"[ProfD]Mail/mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.hostname", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.login_at_startup", true);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.mdn_report_enabled", false);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.name", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.numHdrsToKeep", 30);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realhostname", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realuserName", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.type", "pop3");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.userName", "robertbaer");
And i have been trying various variants and places for these
recommended strings: "robertbaer/mail.earthlink.net" and
"(e-mail address removed)".
I have not been able to find the magic combination that allows NAV to
see and scan e-mails.
Click to expand...


What rev of NAV are you using?

2003 and above supposedly monitor the incoming mail port 110 and
outgoing mail port 25 for email messages without having to change your
email settings (using "ccEmailProxy").

This counts on your manual GUI input to NAV settings. The mail program
should not be running when these NAV settings are altered.

I had thought that only NAV2002 and earlier required Mailer server
info alterations in the mailer properties GUI. The Symantec knowledge
base seems to have been recently scrubbed of the relevent pages.

The one reference I found -

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2FD2433B

How are you testing the effects of your manipulations, to confirm
scanning? Are you mailing yourself Eicar test files, or simply looking
at taskbar icons?

I'm not familiar with correct manual editing methods for the prefs,js
file. It typically is headed with a warning -

"This is a generated file! Do not edit.",

- in the earlier versions of Netscape that I'm familiar with. Parts of
it might be rewritten, without your direct knowledge or control,
regardless of your text manipulations.

Be sure you're editing the right file in the right location, anyways.
Both mozilla and netscape will have one - yours seems to use the
mozilla default directory - perhaps this is a normal characteristic of
later-rev netscape versions. (yes, I know they are related).

RL
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I have NAV 2001; an "older" version relative to now.
Yes; am using the Mozilla directory and i see that doing some things
makes a big difference.
Testing is done by sending a 20K or so e-mail to the account in
question ([email protected]).
Some changes makes NetScape 7.2 ask me for a password and others do not.
Some changes alter the account name seen and then shows no
sub-folders and/or empty default sub-folders.
Some changes do not appear to alter the account name, but the default
folders are empty (and the original ones were filled).
Some changes still get the mail, but NAV is not activated.
I would not care if the account was named "barfbag" if it worked (ie:
incoming e-mail to (e-mail address removed) would be scanned).
In order to see a change, NS must be closed, the JS file changed,
then NS re-launched.
 
Michael said:
Robert Baer answered:
Presently, what appears to be the "critical" part of my PREFS.JS file is:
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory", "C:\\WINDOWS\\APPLICATION
DATA\\Mozilla\\Profiles\\robertbaer\\v0bfa6zg.slt\\Mail\\mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory-rel",
"[ProfD]Mail/mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.hostname", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.login_at_startup", true);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.mdn_report_enabled", false);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.name", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.numHdrsToKeep", 30);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realhostname", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realuserName", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.type", "pop3");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.userName", "robertbaer");
And i have been trying various variants and places for these
recommended strings: "robertbaer/mail.earthlink.net" and
"(e-mail address removed)".
I have not been able to find the magic combination that allows NAV to
see and scan e-mails.

Anyone know how to do that?
Please give eXplicit working example.
Click to expand...


The incoming server is 'pop.earthlink.net'
and outgoing is smtpauth.earthlink.net
Click to expand...
I would try those, if i knew where they went in the list i gave.
Naturally,i could ranDUMBly try many combinations.
And i would wonder how the e-mails would get diverted INto NAV and
then OUT to the "account" incoming folder.
 
I have NAV 2001; an "older" version relative to now.
Yes; am using the Mozilla directory and i see that doing some things
makes a big difference.
Testing is done by sending a 20K or so e-mail to the account in
question ([email protected]).
Some changes makes NetScape 7.2 ask me for a password and others do not.
Some changes alter the account name seen and then shows no
sub-folders and/or empty default sub-folders.
Some changes do not appear to alter the account name, but the default
folders are empty (and the original ones were filled).
Some changes still get the mail, but NAV is not activated.
I would not care if the account was named "barfbag" if it worked (ie:
incoming e-mail to (e-mail address removed) would be scanned).
In order to see a change, NS must be closed, the JS file changed,
then NS re-launched.
Click to expand...

Can only suggest that you follow the instructions for filling out
normal preferences in the Netscape's GUI re - edit, preferences, mail
servers, incoming and outgoing, using the strings suggested by
M.Arends.

If you remove the manually 'edited' .js file, Netscape will likely
rewrite an uncorrupted version.

RL
 
legg said:
Can only suggest that you follow the instructions for filling out
normal preferences in the Netscape's GUI re - edit, preferences, mail
servers, incoming and outgoing, using the strings suggested by
M.Arends.

If you remove the manually 'edited' .js file, Netscape will likely
rewrite an uncorrupted version.

RL
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I would try what he mentioned, if i knew where they went in the list
i gave.
Any clues?
 
I would try what he mentioned, if i knew where they went in the list
i gave.
Any clues?
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Use the GUI. Don't manually edit the js file. Use the string, as
suggested, in the GUI entry window.

I see about 11 lines in the .js file, on the older netscape version of
this machine, that I could expect to see changed, as a result.

If using the GUI works as intended, on your machine, then reading the
generated js file, afterwards, might be informative, if you compare it
to the file you are presently attempting to use. The results would not
be instructional.

RL
 
legg said:
Use the GUI. Don't manually edit the js file. Use the string, as
suggested, in the GUI entry window.

I see about 11 lines in the .js file, on the older netscape version of
this machine, that I could expect to see changed, as a result.

If using the GUI works as intended, on your machine, then reading the
generated js file, afterwards, might be informative, if you compare it
to the file you are presently attempting to use. The results would not
be instructional.

RL
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Using the GUI does not work, ie: does not give the desired result.
Usually i wind up with a useless setup and have to uninstall and
re-enter the accounts from scratch. PITA that i do not care to repeat
for the Nth time.
 
Using the GUI does not work, ie: does not give the desired result.
Usually i wind up with a useless setup and have to uninstall and
re-enter the accounts from scratch. PITA that i do not care to repeat
for the Nth time.
Click to expand...

What OS are you dealing with?

Do you have a HW or SW firewall to deal with?

The usual result, for me, of a manual edit in NS 4.72 is a voided
preferences file that is ignored and rewritten to defaults for the
program onsubsequent opening. A reinstall is not required to re-enter
new values via the GUI.

I also run older NAV ('01 and '02, updated, on different machines).

Perhaps you might return to older versions of Netscape (~bug-free in
its pre-java, pre-activex days), or adopt newer versions of Mozilla
(better support).

In any event, I suggest you retrace your efforts using the GUI, as
manual editing is a waste of time. Recording your iterations, for
reference, is a good way of making sure you've done what you think
you've already tried and avoiding frustration.

In each case, testing the continued function of the mail server and
NAVs monitoring may be speeded up using an alternate mail handler
(possibly on another machine or mail account) as a source of
detectable mail. Eicar test strings are useful in that case.

The original link is the only reference that I can offer, and it deals
specifically with your NAV revision and mail-handler type.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2FD2433B

Feel free not to repeat yourself.

RL
 
legg said:
What OS are you dealing with?

Do you have a HW or SW firewall to deal with?

The usual result, for me, of a manual edit in NS 4.72 is a voided
preferences file that is ignored and rewritten to defaults for the
program onsubsequent opening. A reinstall is not required to re-enter
new values via the GUI.

I also run older NAV ('01 and '02, updated, on different machines).

Perhaps you might return to older versions of Netscape (~bug-free in
its pre-java, pre-activex days), or adopt newer versions of Mozilla
(better support).

In any event, I suggest you retrace your efforts using the GUI, as
manual editing is a waste of time. Recording your iterations, for
reference, is a good way of making sure you've done what you think
you've already tried and avoiding frustration.

In each case, testing the continued function of the mail server and
NAVs monitoring may be speeded up using an alternate mail handler
(possibly on another machine or mail account) as a source of
detectable mail. Eicar test strings are useful in that case.

The original link is the only reference that I can offer, and it deals
specifically with your NAV revision and mail-handler type.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2FD2433B

Feel free not to repeat yourself.

RL
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Older versions of Netscape do not work for some sites; Godaddy is one
good example (they write exclusively for IgnobleElephants).
I mentioned that using the GUI made for zero progress also.
**
Looked there and have the following comments:
1) Norton AntiVirus 2001 will *NOT* detect Netscape 7.2, which is a
reasonably current version. They either do not know what they are
talking about, or avoid the facts.
"Correct installation"??? How about starting with a completely wiped
hard drive, installing the OS, Netscape (with one or two e-mail
accounts), and then Norton and finding "no supported e-mail accounts
detected"???? What the hell do they mean by "correct installation"? Nuts.
2) "Enable Manual Configuration" - well, duh! Done ages ago.
3) Instructions for setting the mail server properties is *EXACTLY*
identical to those in NAV!!!
DOES NOT WORK!
Why do you think i am asking those that are stuck with this crap,
instead of wasting time with Symantec "support" idiots that no less than
your pet goldfish?
 
legg said:
What OS are you dealing with?

Do you have a HW or SW firewall to deal with?

The usual result, for me, of a manual edit in NS 4.72 is a voided
preferences file that is ignored and rewritten to defaults for the
program onsubsequent opening. A reinstall is not required to re-enter
new values via the GUI.

I also run older NAV ('01 and '02, updated, on different machines).

Perhaps you might return to older versions of Netscape (~bug-free in
its pre-java, pre-activex days), or adopt newer versions of Mozilla
(better support).

In any event, I suggest you retrace your efforts using the GUI, as
manual editing is a waste of time. Recording your iterations, for
reference, is a good way of making sure you've done what you think
you've already tried and avoiding frustration.

In each case, testing the continued function of the mail server and
NAVs monitoring may be speeded up using an alternate mail handler
(possibly on another machine or mail account) as a source of
detectable mail. Eicar test strings are useful in that case.

The original link is the only reference that I can offer, and it deals
specifically with your NAV revision and mail-handler type.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?F2FD2433B

Feel free not to repeat yourself.

RL
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The instructions *cannot* work for NS7.2 as described in that cited
article.
....step 7, double click Mail & Newsgroups <--OK
....step 8 <--TILT! "Mail Servers" does *not* exist!
So.. we cheat on their so-called instructions, and in the Mail &
Newsgroups window: select Edit, then Mail & Newsgroup Account Settings,
then in the account that one wishes to change, select Server Settings.
Note that the "Server Type" cannot be changed, so we ignore that
difference, and change the Server Name and User Name as described and/or
recommended (take your pick as to what you want to call it).
Well.
1) The account name gets changed.
2) Netscape DOES NOT ask for a (new) password; i take that as an
indication that something is wrong.
3) Attempt to get incoming mail that is KNOWN to be waiting, and get the
following error message:
"Failed to connect to server pop3.Norton.antivirus"
Dead. Defunct. Crap.
So use the GUI and change things back, and guess what?
a) Netscape DOES ask for a (new) password; i take that as an indication
that something *is* correct.
b) Attempt to get incoming mail that is KNOWN to be waiting, and *do*
get the mail!
Will wonders never cease!
BUT
Norton does not have a chance in H-E-doubletoothpicks of checking it.

SO.
Does *anybody* !know! what will work?????????
 
Presently, what appears to be the "critical" part of my PREFS.JS file is:
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory", "C:\\WINDOWS\\APPLICATION
DATA\\Mozilla\\Profiles\\robertbaer\\v0bfa6zg.slt\\Mail\\mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory-rel",
"[ProfD]Mail/mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.hostname", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.login_at_startup", true);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.mdn_report_enabled", false);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.name", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.numHdrsToKeep", 30);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realhostname", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realuserName", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.type", "pop3");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.userName", "robertbaer");
And i have been trying various variants and places for these
recommended strings: "robertbaer/mail.earthlink.net" and
"(e-mail address removed)".
I have not been able to find the magic combination that allows NAV to
see and scan e-mails.

Anyone know how to do that?
Please give eXplicit working example.
Click to expand...

What is your operating system?

Are you using a hardware or software firewall?

Is Netscape Messenger set to be your default mail handler? This isn't
always a straight forward process, as some programs install
themselves, while others are ignored by the windows OS 'internet
options' GUI.

Looking at your prefs list, it looks like your 'realhostname' and your
'realusername' data are swapped, in error. Why these lines are needed,
I have no idea, as 'hostname' and 'username' are already stated.

There are, in fact, no lines commencing with 'mail.server.server1' in
the older communicator's prefs file. I can't relate more recent
Mozilla prefs behavior, as the messenger component of the sw wasn't
installed in this machine.

RL
 
legg said:
Presently, what appears to be the "critical" part of my PREFS.JS file is:
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory", "C:\\WINDOWS\\APPLICATION
DATA\\Mozilla\\Profiles\\robertbaer\\v0bfa6zg.slt\\Mail\\mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.directory-rel",
"[ProfD]Mail/mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.hostname", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.login_at_startup", true);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.mdn_report_enabled", false);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.name", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.numHdrsToKeep", 30);
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realhostname", "robertbaer");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.realuserName", "mail.earthlink.net");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.type", "pop3");
user_pref("mail.server.server1.userName", "robertbaer");
And i have been trying various variants and places for these
recommended strings: "robertbaer/mail.earthlink.net" and
"(e-mail address removed)".
I have not been able to find the magic combination that allows NAV to
see and scan e-mails.

Anyone know how to do that?
Please give eXplicit working example.
Click to expand...


What is your operating system?

Are you using a hardware or software firewall?

Is Netscape Messenger set to be your default mail handler? This isn't
always a straight forward process, as some programs install
themselves, while others are ignored by the windows OS 'internet
options' GUI.

Looking at your prefs list, it looks like your 'realhostname' and your
'realusername' data are swapped, in error. Why these lines are needed,
I have no idea, as 'hostname' and 'username' are already stated.

There are, in fact, no lines commencing with 'mail.server.server1' in
the older communicator's prefs file. I can't relate more recent
Mozilla prefs behavior, as the messenger component of the sw wasn't
installed in this machine.

RL
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1) The OS is not relevant; the problem is seen in Win98Se, Win2K and WinME.
2) Firewall is not relevant; problem exists with none installed.
3) AFAIK it is set as the default; is there a way toeither check that or
force that?
4) Your last two comments highlight the big differences between the
older and newer versions of Netscape. I think that this newer and
'better' browser configuration is the cause of the problems.
 
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