Making Money with FrontPage

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I'm curious about the possibility of making some money setting up web sites
with FP. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who is doing this.

Some of the questions I have.
1) How much FP experience should one have before diving into this?
2) What are ways to get clients?
3) How do you determine what to charge?
4) Can a person make a living at this as a home based business?

Is there any reading material that addresses the issues?
 
Hi Don,
1) How much FP experience should one have before diving into this?

The question is not "how much FP experience should one have" but rather "how
much experience and knowledge of web development should one have?" After
all, having a lot of experience with a table saw doesn't make one a
carpenter.

The answer is, "not necessarily a lot." Start by creating some practice webs
on your local machine. Start small, and work your way up to fancy. Read a
lot of the free information on the Internet about web development, and maybe
buy a book or two. Feel free to ask questions here about anything related to
web development and FrontPage. And don't rely on FrontPage to design your
webs (even though it can). However, you may have FrontPage build a few
ready-made webs for you, study them, and modify them, in order to learn.
2) What are ways to get clients?

I had the same problem 10 years ago. I got a domain, created my own web
site, which I figured would make a good sample of my work, and drew visitors
by putting tutorials on the web site that people learning HTML, FrontPage,
and web database programming would benefit from. My web site became my
"store front," my point of contact by potential clients.

I started participating in Microsoft newsgroups, where SPAM is frowned upon,
but help is welcomed, and one can have a f-line signature block that
advertises what one does, at the end of every message post. By doing that, I
not only advertised my business, but advertised that I was knowledgable
about web development, and built a network of friends in the business as
well. As an unexpected benefit, Microsoft eventually awarded me the MVP
award. :)

In the beginning, I had to look up many of the answers to questions I
fielded. You might say I was "faking" being an expert. But knowing a lot is
not nearly as important as knowing how to find out a lot, and by doing so I
eventually become the expert I made myself out to be! I still research on a
daily basis. I spend a lot of time in the Microsoft MSDN Library every day,
and Google is my browser's home page.

You will notice that I still participate in these newsgroups. There are many
reasons for continuing participlation, although I certainly don't need to
advertise any more. But community participation is beneficial to everyone,
and I still have to learn new things sometimes to answer questions
correctly. Continuing education is essential in this business! Not to
mention the ever-expanding network of friends.
3) How do you determine what to charge?

Good question. Charge too little, and people will think you aren't any good.
Charge too much, and the client's expectations may exceed your ability to
meet them. Research it; Google it, when the time comes. Find a happy medium.
4) Can a person make a living at this as a home based business?

I did, for 5 years, as an independent consultant, before getting a "real"
job, where I didn't have to manage every aspect of the business (thank
God!). If you are self-disciplined, work hard at self-improvement, and
expect the job to never become any easier (like software, the requirements
increase with increasing capacity!), you will do well. And remember that
short-cuts are short-cuts to the poor house! ;-)

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Everybody picks their nose,
But some people are better at hiding it.
 
I agree with Kevin's answers, and wish to offer my own perspective.

None. What's important is that you know HTML and CSS. Everything else will
be easy to pick up as you need it. But I promise you, until you dream in
HTML/CSS, you will struggle.


As a freelancer, I think Kevin is bang on with this series of suggestions.

Call your local plumber to do a job. Look at the time required. Subtract
the cost of supplies and then calculate an hourly rate. That's what you
charge.

Yes. If you are good.
 
But I promise you, until you dream in
HTML/CSS, you will struggle.

Is that the same as waking up in the middle of the night because you've figured something
out??

If you really want sleepless nights, start working in Visual Studio, creating applications
and
playing with windows API fuctions and procedures.

;-)
 
Other stuff to learn:

Photoshop or any good photo editing software
Illustrator or any good graphics creating software (preferably vector)
Basic design principles...use of color palettes etc.
Basic Accounting software...keep your money straight

Start by creating webs for friends (for little or no money)...people that
will put up with your learning curve :-)
 
....oh yeah and get a good dictionary...and a recent copy of The Elements of
Style (Strunk) - nothing worse than a web with bad speling and gramma

:-)
 
The ability to mind-meld with your clients in order to translate their
occasionally conflicting, vague, or mis-stated requirements into a
website that beautifully articulates their unarticulated vision may also
be helpful.

Randy Morgan
 
Some of the questions I have.
1) How much FP experience should one have before diving into this?
2) What are ways to get clients?
3) How do you determine what to charge?
4) Can a person make a living at this as a home based business?

Is there any reading material that addresses the issues?

We have a number of articles on our web site on these subjects, Don:
http://www.webdevbiz.com .

Hope that might help.
 
And how to diplomatically talk them out of using some obsure script font
that is barely readable even in print? or using red font on black
bg...sheesh I have not patience for some stuff :-)
 
LOL... that was too funny..but the truth is often times told through jest!
:-)

Be prepared to have some (maybe more than a few) clients..that you
absolutely need to drag the words out of for their content. While I will
word-smith if I think something needs it..I will not... and cannot...totally
create wording that people should have on their site. In my experience that
has been the most frustrating component of web design.
 
Don Dean said:
I'm curious about the possibility of making some money setting up web sites
with FP. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone who is doing this.

Some of the questions I have.
1) How much FP experience should one have before diving into this?

Depends your cheek factor. Idoits who can only use themes and shared borders
and badly at that, charge and get away with charging stupid money. Others
obtain some skills before starting, personally i'd only give what I would be
happy to recieve. Make some templates and ask for feedback that should tell
you if your ready to make sites... Then ask for feedback on a site that
should tell you if your ready to charge. Do things for free in the meantime
to build up a portfolio, no profits etc. There are plenty of people who
really can't use a computer that need sites.
2) What are ways to get clients?

Networking, personally I don't see that you have to stay local this being
the net, but many designers do, they tout for business in their local
community just google your local area and see what others are doing
observeing is usually a good idea.
3) How do you determine what to charge?

What you think your worth.. how much can you earn in the 'real' world? The
more skill sets you have add more on.
4) Can a person make a living at this as a home based business?

You would have to ask someone who does that.
Is there any reading material that addresses the issues?

http://www.ex-parrot.com/~chris/design.html

http://www.hwg.org/resources/faqs/priceFAQ.html#how

Best thing is to experiment and learn, learn css and know how to use grahics
research, do some google searches.

hth Tina


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Who needs a dictionary when you have FireFox? ;-)

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Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Everybody picks their nose,
But some people are better at hiding it.
 
Yes - and in some cases liberal use of the Vulkan mind zap to handle those
recalcitrant clients who don't listen to reason is good, too...
 
Hi don,
I actually do this part time - mostly on weekends. I work a full time job
and get my business by word of mouth. In fact, I built a web site for my
previous employer (the first one I ever built) and another small company of
the same business type saw it and called them wanted wanted to know who built
it. The gave them my number and I just finished building one for them. If
there is anything I need to do and I can't figure out how to do it, I come to
this news group and believe me - someone here can tell me exactly how to get
it done. I have made a few thousand and I am still learning.

Good luck, should you decide to do it.
 
You can 'dream' in HTML and CSS, even be regarded as an expert in one or
both and still struggle because you can never learn everything and few sites
are only HTML & CSS. What you can learn is the basics until you no longer
need to thing about them. One very critical skill the at Kevin mentioned is
that you have to know how to find answers and find them quickly.

If you really want to make a living at creating websites from 'home' you
have to know more than just the basics. You can make money knowing little
but you need to know at least some server side scripting language enough to
handle common tasks and know when you need to bring in someone who can do
the more complex stuff. There are several people I know who make a good
living out of web related work but their skill set is limited. However, they
are good project managers and know when to call in someone for one part of a
site or another where they are not capable enough to do the job right in a
reasonable length of time.

In addition to HTML, CSS, some server processing language, you need to know
about legal obligations (you don't say where you are located but in the UK
you have to deal with the Data Protection Act, privacy issues and
accessibility legislation in the US you have accessibility 508/504/state
laws, privacy and data protection (varies a bit state by state with
California being one of the strictest), then there are browser issues,
security issues, etc.

You need to either be able to write content or make sure your clients have
someone who can write the content. Then what about graphics, image
optimization, Flash (if you are going to use it), typography for the web.
etc.

Yes, you can make a good living out of web work at home but not likely to be
one you'd want to live on if all you know is how to use FrontPage with or
without a template.

--
Cheryl D. Wise
MS FrontPage MVP
http://mvp.wiserways.com
http://starttoweb.com
Online instructor led web design training in FrontPage,
Dreamweaver and more!
 
And don't let anyone tell you that "the client is always right".

They frequently aren't and your job as the professional is to educate them
why what they think they want is not in the best interest of their site
goals. You need to be prepared to offer alternative that will accomplish
those goals.

--
Cheryl D. Wise
MS FrontPage MVP
http://mvp.wiserways.com
http://starttoweb.com
Online instructor led web design training in FrontPage,
Dreamweaver and more!
 
I have actually turned down work, or walked away from a client that wanted
the wrong thing, and insisted upon it. I knew that their web site would fail
(web sites are extremely competitive), and didn't want to be associated with
it in any way. Inevitably, they did fail.

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
..Net Developer
Expect the unaccepted.

Cheryl D Wise said:
And don't let anyone tell you that "the client is always right".

They frequently aren't and your job as the professional is to educate them
why what they think they want is not in the best interest of their site
goals. You need to be prepared to offer alternative that will accomplish
those goals.

--
Cheryl D. Wise
MS FrontPage MVP
http://mvp.wiserways.com
http://starttoweb.com
Online instructor led web design training in FrontPage,
Dreamweaver and more!
 
So have I and in lesser cases I have been known to apply a PIA factor to
their billing rate.
 
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