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jo
BOOGIEMAN said:
Please don't; bouncing adds to the problem rather than attempting to
solve it.
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solve it.
B
BOOGIEMAN
I get a lots of spam on my old mail account, I opened new mail account and
only my closest friends know about it. But, after 3 months not using old
one, I still recieve spam on it.
Is there any free app that can bounce all messages that I recieve to my old
account, something that will notify everybody that my account "don't
exist" ? I think to turn it on for about a month or two, just to see if
I'll recive any spam after that period ...
only my closest friends know about it. But, after 3 months not using old
one, I still recieve spam on it.
Is there any free app that can bounce all messages that I recieve to my old
account, something that will notify everybody that my account "don't
exist" ? I think to turn it on for about a month or two, just to see if
I'll recive any spam after that period ...
P
*ProteanThread*
jo said:Please don't; bouncing adds to the problem rather than attempting to
solve it.
Doesn't Mailwasher to that ?
M
mike ring
No, no such thing, in fact, if any spammer takes any notice of a bounceI get a lots of spam on my old mail account, I opened new mail account
and only my closest friends know about it. But, after 3 months not
using old one, I still recieve spam on it.
Is there any free app that can bounce all messages that I recieve to
my old account, something that will notify everybody that my account
"don't exist" ? I think to turn it on for about a month or two, just
to see if I'll recive any spam after that period ...
it's simply to mark the address as "live" and include it on the next CD
with 10000000 live uk email addresses on it to flog to fellow spammers.
The only answer is to lay low; if you're sure everyone knows your new
address just ignore the old one. And don't worry about folks you don't know
who don't know your new address IYSWIM
mike
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CalamityKen
*ProteanThread* typed:
Not unless you tell it to.
Bouncing is the most useless thing about this terrific anti spam
application.
Doesn't Mailwasher to that ?
Not unless you tell it to.
Bouncing is the most useless thing about this terrific anti spam
application.
J
jo
*ProteanThread* said:Doesn't Mailwasher do that ?
It can be turned off
J
JunkMonkey
Maybe I don't understand what bouncing means! I thought when a message is
delivered to an address at an ISP that doesn't exist, it was bounced as non
existent, informing the sender that the account does not exist or is
inactive in some way.
How does the sender know if a message was bounced by the ISP or a spam
filter?
delivered to an address at an ISP that doesn't exist, it was bounced as non
existent, informing the sender that the account does not exist or is
inactive in some way.
How does the sender know if a message was bounced by the ISP or a spam
filter?
D
Doc
Please, please, turn it off.Doesn't Mailwasher to that ?
P
*ProteanThread*
JunkMonkey said:Maybe I don't understand what bouncing means! I thought when a message is
delivered to an address at an ISP that doesn't exist, it was bounced as non
existent, informing the sender that the account does not exist or is
inactive in some way.
How does the sender know if a message was bounced by the ISP or a spam
filter?
If that is true than any simple POP3 mail checker will do the same thing,
won't it ? :-\
B
BJE
Unless you are on broadband and the bounce is instantaneous, the sender
knows it is faked!
Brian E
knows it is faked!
Brian E
M
mike ring
Maybe I don't understand what bouncing means! I thought when a
message is delivered to an address at an ISP that doesn't exist, it
was bounced as non existent, informing the sender that the account
does not exist or is inactive in some way.
A genuine bounce is when you send an email, mistype the address and the
message is returned to you as undeliverable; well and good, everybody's
happy, you try again.
A spammer has used a fake address, or even a real one of some innocent
bystander, so the bounce either ends up in thin air or someone's inbox.
The only exception would be if the spammer is checking if the address is
live, for further spamming or scams.
If you bounce it say 12 hours later when you get home and look in yourHow does the sender know if a message was bounced by the ISP or a spam
filter?
mail, it's confirmed as live. Better to just delete it.
And each bounce is another mail delivery, further gumming up a system
already choked up with spam
mike
G
Gary R. Schmidt
Wrong.BJE said:Unless you are on broadband and the bounce is instantaneous, the sender
knows it is faked!
Internet mail is a "store-and-forward" service, mail can be accepted for
a destination by a number of intermediary sites before it drops into the
final mailbox.
Cheers,
Gary B-)
J
JunkMonkey
Then I still don't understand how a user generated bounce can cause more
spam. A bounce is fundamentally different from a reply.
The increase in traffic makes sense to me, though I suspect the number of
bounced messages is infinitesimally small compared to the overall amount of
email shooting all over the place at any given moment.
spam. A bounce is fundamentally different from a reply.
The increase in traffic makes sense to me, though I suspect the number of
bounced messages is infinitesimally small compared to the overall amount of
email shooting all over the place at any given moment.
J
JanC
mike ring said:If you bounce it say 12 hours later when you get home and look in your
mail, it's confirmed as live. Better to just delete it.
Many mailservers are swamped by spam & virus mails these days, so a 12 hour
delay before the bounce happens is not impossible.
But if they want to take the effort, spammers can easily see it in the mail
headers of the fake bounce message. That is, if the return address was
real (most of the time it isn't...).
J
JunkMonkey
That makes sense, but what kind of spammer who sends out millions of email a
day and billions a week, will take the time to do such a thing? Even if it
is automated in some way, it takes time to parse an email header and apply
the logic required to identify and validate an email message. And once that
is done, all the spammer has, is proof that a valid email address is able to
identify and reject spam. There is no economic incentive to identify such
an email account.
I should think it would be easier to just ignore bounces as irrelevant, or
bounce the bounce. (which happens). BUT, not all spammers ignore bounces.
Some do delete email addresses from bounced mail. Highly targeted ad
campaigns that only want to deal with validated email addresses for
instance. Since these validated lists get traded and sold, us regular users
do have an incentive to try to get off those lists. And a bounce is the
only tool available at the moment.
My level of spam is down considerably since I started bouncing spam.
day and billions a week, will take the time to do such a thing? Even if it
is automated in some way, it takes time to parse an email header and apply
the logic required to identify and validate an email message. And once that
is done, all the spammer has, is proof that a valid email address is able to
identify and reject spam. There is no economic incentive to identify such
an email account.
I should think it would be easier to just ignore bounces as irrelevant, or
bounce the bounce. (which happens). BUT, not all spammers ignore bounces.
Some do delete email addresses from bounced mail. Highly targeted ad
campaigns that only want to deal with validated email addresses for
instance. Since these validated lists get traded and sold, us regular users
do have an incentive to try to get off those lists. And a bounce is the
only tool available at the moment.
My level of spam is down considerably since I started bouncing spam.
J
JanC
JunkMonkey said:That makes sense, but what kind of spammer who sends out millions of
email a day and billions a week, will take the time to do such a
thing? Even if it is automated in some way, it takes time to parse an
email header and apply the logic required to identify and validate an
email message. And once that is done, all the spammer has, is proof
that a valid email address is able to identify and reject spam. There
is no economic incentive to identify such an email account.
True, most spammers never look at those bounces (especially mass-spammers).
I should think it would be easier to just ignore bounces as
irrelevant, or bounce the bounce. (which happens). BUT, not all
spammers ignore bounces. Some do delete email addresses from bounced
mail. Highly targeted ad campaigns that only want to deal with
validated email addresses for instance. Since these validated lists
get traded and sold, us regular users do have an incentive to try to
get off those lists. And a bounce is the only tool available at the
moment.
I just heard about someone who got his email address abused as a fake
"sender" for (part of) a neo-nazi spam-run. Do you think he's happy with
those *thousands* of bounce mails he got today from people who were
thinking like you do above?
I'm not accusing you of doing wrong, you probably never thought about this,
but please: in the future think about other people too... :-/
O
Onno Tasler
JunkMonkey scribebat:
It would be good if that were the case, but in any bigger spam run,
there are some servers almost DOSed by bounces.
If your mail account is used as "from" of a spam message, you can be
certain that you will get nothing but bounces for the next one or two
weeks.
The increase in traffic makes sense to me, though I suspect the number
of bounced messages is infinitesimally small compared to the overall
amount of email shooting all over the place at any given moment.
It would be good if that were the case, but in any bigger spam run,
there are some servers almost DOSed by bounces.
If your mail account is used as "from" of a spam message, you can be
certain that you will get nothing but bounces for the next one or two
weeks.
A
Auntie Em
Spammers never get the message that the account "don't exist" and keep
sending anyway.
Most spam is stuff that we have signed up for in a weak moment (to get a
download or other information). You can unsubscribe to them and reduce your
spam load significantly.
For the other stuff, most email accounts have filters available. You can
simply filter the stuff out. It's not that hard.
Em
sending anyway.
Most spam is stuff that we have signed up for in a weak moment (to get a
download or other information). You can unsubscribe to them and reduce your
spam load significantly.
For the other stuff, most email accounts have filters available. You can
simply filter the stuff out. It's not that hard.
Em
C
Coaster ô¿ô
I get a lots of spam on my old mail account, I opened new mail account
and only my closest friends know about it. But, after 3 months not
using old one, I still recieve spam on it.
Is there any free app that can bounce all messages that I recieve to
my old account, something that will notify everybody that my account
"don't exist" ? I think to turn it on for about a month or two, just
to see if I'll recive any spam after that period ...
If your not going to use the account, just upload a file or files equal to
your mailbox limit. Everything else will be bounced.
I believe thats how it works.