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I have heard that my webpage has a few flaws when veiwing through a Mac. I
was hoping anyone with a Mac could check out my sight and give me some
suggestions. The site is www.gutweinagency.com Any comments would be great.

Thank you!
 
Macs and browsers other than IE will have problems with your website...do
not use anything from the Draw toolbar; Autoshapes, Lines, Textboxes, etc. -
those all rely on VML (vector markup language) which is IE proprietary
(although some newer browsers will render it ok but as a downlevel gif
image - older ones may display as a gray box).



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





|I have heard that my webpage has a few flaws when veiwing through a Mac. I
| was hoping anyone with a Mac could check out my sight and give me some
| suggestions. The site is www.gutweinagency.com Any comments would be
great.
|
| Thank you!
 
Dumenric said:
I have heard that my webpage has a few flaws when veiwing through a Mac. I
was hoping anyone with a Mac could check out my sight and give me some
suggestions. The site is www.gutweinagency.com Any comments would be
great.

Thank you!
Click to expand...


Unfortuately the errors and imperfections I've found from 10 minutes at your
site won't be limited to Macintosh browsers: before worrying about Mac
Browsers, I suggest you view your site with Firefox, Opera, Netscape and
Safari for Windows (and any others - I can't think of any presently), and
see how these browsers behave.

I have trouble viewing this site in Firefox for Windows, and given FF is
certainly becoming a major player in the competitive world of web browsers,
I would say it's a priority to get the site fixed so it views correctly in
Firefox and others, on fixing these errors now, this will more certainly
allow Mac browsers view this site more efficiently and correctly.


Firstly the site makes heavy use of VML (e.g. Word Art) and this won't
display correctly in most browsers. This line of code indicates it was
producted in MS Office (Possibly MS Word or more likely MS Publisher)

<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

Word and Publisher are not web design tools.

This code indicates the use of VML:

<!--[if !mso]>
<style>
v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
o\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
..shape { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
</style>
<![endif]-->

You need to consider using other tools to produce your images, such as
Paintshop Pro, Adobe Photoshop Elements, Irfanview or many other pay-for and
freeware/shareware tools.

Specifically in Firefox, your homepage paragraph text is flashing on and off
(whether this is intentional I don't know, but it is annoying and the
flashing but it does not flash the text in Internet Explorer 7.0).

Your "get a quote" button (link) doesn't work in Firefox.

Photographs as mentioned above display as GIF images - which is not a good
format for colour photos - JPEG format should be used for images such as
photographs. This is more likely a result of how MS Publisher produces its
(inferior, non W3C compliant) HTML code - creates images out of everything
including the Text.

Pages loading slowly (even on my 8000k ADSL which is the lower end of the
broadband spectrum, but none the less, it would certainly take more time on
56k dialup). The site is heavy on graphics; this will work against those
trying to view the site on anything other than a reasonable broadband
connection, which one cannot not assume that all your prospective clients
will have.

One last thing, removing the spaces between the words in the file names
would help too, as some browsers can't handle the spaces in filenames
eg Personal Insurance page HTML file name is "Personal%20Insurance.htm"
The "%20" indicates a space(bar) character. It is better to do it like
this: "Personal_Insurance.htm" (using the underscore ("_") or hyphen ("-")
character. It will mean renaming all your files, and updating all the
links.


These are just some of the errors and "imperfections" I picked up on - there
are possibly more. There's a lot of work ahead of you; it would be best to
take some of the above advice to improve the overall site.
 
No

<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

indicates VML is being used. The reference to Office is because VML was
first produced for MS Office. FrontPage will add this line, as well as
Publisher and Word.

Everything else about VML is true, VML should always be avoided, except
(perhaps) when the audience is forced to use IE and Windows - that would
be a closed Intranet.
--
Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.

http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp




Dumenric said:
I have heard that my webpage has a few flaws when veiwing through a Mac. I
was hoping anyone with a Mac could check out my sight and give me some
suggestions. The site is www.gutweinagency.com Any comments would be
great.

Thank you!
Click to expand...


Unfortuately the errors and imperfections I've found from 10 minutes at your
site won't be limited to Macintosh browsers: before worrying about Mac
Browsers, I suggest you view your site with Firefox, Opera, Netscape and
Safari for Windows (and any others - I can't think of any presently), and
see how these browsers behave.

I have trouble viewing this site in Firefox for Windows, and given FF is
certainly becoming a major player in the competitive world of web browsers,
I would say it's a priority to get the site fixed so it views correctly in
Firefox and others, on fixing these errors now, this will more certainly
allow Mac browsers view this site more efficiently and correctly.


Firstly the site makes heavy use of VML (e.g. Word Art) and this won't
display correctly in most browsers. This line of code indicates it was
producted in MS Office (Possibly MS Word or more likely MS Publisher)

<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">

Word and Publisher are not web design tools.

This code indicates the use of VML:

<!--[if !mso]>
<style>
v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
o\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
.shape { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
</style>
<![endif]-->

You need to consider using other tools to produce your images, such as
Paintshop Pro, Adobe Photoshop Elements, Irfanview or many other pay-for and
freeware/shareware tools.

Specifically in Firefox, your homepage paragraph text is flashing on and off
(whether this is intentional I don't know, but it is annoying and the
flashing but it does not flash the text in Internet Explorer 7.0).

Your "get a quote" button (link) doesn't work in Firefox.

Photographs as mentioned above display as GIF images - which is not a good
format for colour photos - JPEG format should be used for images such as
photographs. This is more likely a result of how MS Publisher produces its
(inferior, non W3C compliant) HTML code - creates images out of everything
including the Text.

Pages loading slowly (even on my 8000k ADSL which is the lower end of the
broadband spectrum, but none the less, it would certainly take more time on
56k dialup). The site is heavy on graphics; this will work against those
trying to view the site on anything other than a reasonable broadband
connection, which one cannot not assume that all your prospective clients
will have.

One last thing, removing the spaces between the words in the file names
would help too, as some browsers can't handle the spaces in filenames
eg Personal Insurance page HTML file name is "Personal%20Insurance.htm"
The "%20" indicates a space(bar) character. It is better to do it like
this: "Personal_Insurance.htm" (using the underscore ("_") or hyphen ("-")
character. It will mean renaming all your files, and updating all the
links.


These are just some of the errors and "imperfections" I picked up on - there
are possibly more. There's a lot of work ahead of you; it would be best to
take some of the above advice to improve the overall site.
Click to expand...
 
See http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/tests/vml-graphics.htm for reasons
why VML (text boxes, Word art etc.) should be avoided.
In particular, note that links in text boxes will ONLY work in Internet
Explorer running on Windows.

And please get rid of the blink text - it was a nice looking site until
I opened it in Firefox - blink ruins it. Fortunately, IE7 ignores
blink.
 
and it's u g l y



--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





| No
|
| <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
| xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
| xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
|
| indicates VML is being used. The reference to Office is because VML was
| first produced for MS Office. FrontPage will add this line, as well as
| Publisher and Word.
|
| Everything else about VML is true, VML should always be avoided, except
| (perhaps) when the audience is forced to use IE and Windows - that would
| be a closed Intranet.
| --
| Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
| Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
|
| http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
|
|
|
|
| |
| > | > >I have heard that my webpage has a few flaws when veiwing through a
Mac. I
| > > was hoping anyone with a Mac could check out my sight and give me some
| > > suggestions. The site is www.gutweinagency.com Any comments would be
| > > great.
| > >
| > > Thank you!
| >
| >
| > Unfortuately the errors and imperfections I've found from 10 minutes at
your
| > site won't be limited to Macintosh browsers: before worrying about Mac
| > Browsers, I suggest you view your site with Firefox, Opera, Netscape and
| > Safari for Windows (and any others - I can't think of any presently),
and
| > see how these browsers behave.
| >
| > I have trouble viewing this site in Firefox for Windows, and given FF is
| > certainly becoming a major player in the competitive world of web
browsers,
| > I would say it's a priority to get the site fixed so it views correctly
in
| > Firefox and others, on fixing these errors now, this will more certainly
| > allow Mac browsers view this site more efficiently and correctly.
| >
| >
| > Firstly the site makes heavy use of VML (e.g. Word Art) and this won't
| > display correctly in most browsers. This line of code indicates it was
| > producted in MS Office (Possibly MS Word or more likely MS Publisher)
| >
| > <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
| > xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
| > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
| >
| > Word and Publisher are not web design tools.
| >
| > This code indicates the use of VML:
| >
| > <!--[if !mso]>
| > <style>
| > v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
| > o\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
| > .shape { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
| > </style>
| > <![endif]-->
| >
| > You need to consider using other tools to produce your images, such as
| > Paintshop Pro, Adobe Photoshop Elements, Irfanview or many other pay-for
and
| > freeware/shareware tools.
| >
| > Specifically in Firefox, your homepage paragraph text is flashing on and
off
| > (whether this is intentional I don't know, but it is annoying and the
| > flashing but it does not flash the text in Internet Explorer 7.0).
| >
| > Your "get a quote" button (link) doesn't work in Firefox.
| >
| > Photographs as mentioned above display as GIF images - which is not a
good
| > format for colour photos - JPEG format should be used for images such as
| > photographs. This is more likely a result of how MS Publisher produces
its
| > (inferior, non W3C compliant) HTML code - creates images out of
everything
| > including the Text.
| >
| > Pages loading slowly (even on my 8000k ADSL which is the lower end of
the
| > broadband spectrum, but none the less, it would certainly take more time
on
| > 56k dialup). The site is heavy on graphics; this will work against those
| > trying to view the site on anything other than a reasonable broadband
| > connection, which one cannot not assume that all your prospective
clients
| > will have.
| >
| > One last thing, removing the spaces between the words in the file names
| > would help too, as some browsers can't handle the spaces in filenames
| > eg Personal Insurance page HTML file name is "Personal%20Insurance.htm"
| > The "%20" indicates a space(bar) character. It is better to do it like
| > this: "Personal_Insurance.htm" (using the underscore ("_") or hyphen
("-")
| > character. It will mean renaming all your files, and updating all the
| > links.
| >
| >
| > These are just some of the errors and "imperfections" I picked up on -
there
| > are possibly more. There's a lot of work ahead of you; it would be
best to
| > take some of the above advice to improve the overall site.
|
 
VML is ugly in general

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Rob Giordano
Microsoft MVP Expression





| and it's u g l y
|
|
|
| --
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| Rob Giordano
| Microsoft MVP Expression
|
|
|
|
|
| || No
||
|| <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
|| xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
|| xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
||
|| indicates VML is being used. The reference to Office is because VML was
|| first produced for MS Office. FrontPage will add this line, as well as
|| Publisher and Word.
||
|| Everything else about VML is true, VML should always be avoided, except
|| (perhaps) when the audience is forced to use IE and Windows - that would
|| be a closed Intranet.
|| --
|| Ron Symonds - Microsoft MVP (FrontPage)
|| Reply only to group - emails will be deleted unread.
||
|| http://www.rxs-enterprises.org/fp
||
||
||
||
|| ||
|| > || > >I have heard that my webpage has a few flaws when veiwing through a
| Mac. I
|| > > was hoping anyone with a Mac could check out my sight and give me
some
|| > > suggestions. The site is www.gutweinagency.com Any comments would
be
|| > > great.
|| > >
|| > > Thank you!
|| >
|| >
|| > Unfortuately the errors and imperfections I've found from 10 minutes at
| your
|| > site won't be limited to Macintosh browsers: before worrying about Mac
|| > Browsers, I suggest you view your site with Firefox, Opera, Netscape
and
|| > Safari for Windows (and any others - I can't think of any presently),
| and
|| > see how these browsers behave.
|| >
|| > I have trouble viewing this site in Firefox for Windows, and given FF
is
|| > certainly becoming a major player in the competitive world of web
| browsers,
|| > I would say it's a priority to get the site fixed so it views correctly
| in
|| > Firefox and others, on fixing these errors now, this will more
certainly
|| > allow Mac browsers view this site more efficiently and correctly.
|| >
|| >
|| > Firstly the site makes heavy use of VML (e.g. Word Art) and this won't
|| > display correctly in most browsers. This line of code indicates it was
|| > producted in MS Office (Possibly MS Word or more likely MS Publisher)
|| >
|| > <html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml"
|| > xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office"
|| > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
|| >
|| > Word and Publisher are not web design tools.
|| >
|| > This code indicates the use of VML:
|| >
|| > <!--[if !mso]>
|| > <style>
|| > v\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
|| > o\:* { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
|| > .shape { behavior: url(#default#VML) }
|| > </style>
|| > <![endif]-->
|| >
|| > You need to consider using other tools to produce your images, such as
|| > Paintshop Pro, Adobe Photoshop Elements, Irfanview or many other
pay-for
| and
|| > freeware/shareware tools.
|| >
|| > Specifically in Firefox, your homepage paragraph text is flashing on
and
| off
|| > (whether this is intentional I don't know, but it is annoying and the
|| > flashing but it does not flash the text in Internet Explorer 7.0).
|| >
|| > Your "get a quote" button (link) doesn't work in Firefox.
|| >
|| > Photographs as mentioned above display as GIF images - which is not a
| good
|| > format for colour photos - JPEG format should be used for images such
as
|| > photographs. This is more likely a result of how MS Publisher produces
| its
|| > (inferior, non W3C compliant) HTML code - creates images out of
| everything
|| > including the Text.
|| >
|| > Pages loading slowly (even on my 8000k ADSL which is the lower end of
| the
|| > broadband spectrum, but none the less, it would certainly take more
time
| on
|| > 56k dialup). The site is heavy on graphics; this will work against
those
|| > trying to view the site on anything other than a reasonable broadband
|| > connection, which one cannot not assume that all your prospective
| clients
|| > will have.
|| >
|| > One last thing, removing the spaces between the words in the file names
|| > would help too, as some browsers can't handle the spaces in filenames
|| > eg Personal Insurance page HTML file name is "Personal%20Insurance.htm"
|| > The "%20" indicates a space(bar) character. It is better to do it
like
|| > this: "Personal_Insurance.htm" (using the underscore ("_") or hyphen
| ("-")
|| > character. It will mean renaming all your files, and updating all the
|| > links.
|| >
|| >
|| > These are just some of the errors and "imperfections" I picked up on -
| there
|| > are possibly more. There's a lot of work ahead of you; it would be
| best to
|| > take some of the above advice to improve the overall site.
||
|
|
 
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