Low on Disk Space

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I keep getting the "Low on Disk Space" message. I looked through the threads
and found "many" posts with the same problem. I tried all the suggestions
(hibernate, disk space for restore, etc.) but, still get the message. Since
there are so many of us with this problem, could there be a more global "fix"
from MS? I checked the files used on my D drive for backup and it only takes
up 7.67GB and my C drive is just under half of the space used. (I use Vista
Ultimate 64bit)

Does anyone know if there is a "fix" for this problem from Microsoft for
everyone? Or has anyone had success after trying the fixes provided from the
technical folks in the discussion groups?

Thanks,
 
Have you tried Disk Cleanup?
Also, when was the last time you did Disk Defragmenter?
 
My computer is brand new. I've had it for one month. Yes, I did run a defrag,
and I went through the process to do a disk clean-up, (repeated this process
again today).
 
Barbara

How much RAM memory? Right click on the Computer icon on your
Desktop and select Properties to get information.

Whilst there select Advanced Settings, Advanced, Performance
Settings, Advanced, Virtual Memory. What is the setting? Then click
on Change and increase the maximum by 500 mb above what it was set
to. Click on Apply and OK and restart your computer. Please let us
know if that stops the "Low on Disk space" messages appearing?

Are you using graphics / photographic programmes?

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Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Barbara said:
My computer is brand new. I've had it for one month. Yes, I did
run a defrag,
and I went through the process to do a disk clean-up, (repeated
this process
again today).
 
My computer is brand new. I've had it for one month. Yes, I did run a defrag,
and I went through the process to do a disk clean-up, (repeated this process
again today).
How long you have had a computer has NO (OK little) bearing on needing
a defragment. Updates on a new system alone, will fragment the disk
severely when hundreds of files are updated from the initial release.
Add updating Adobe, Flash Quicktime and other "common" programs found
on most users computers leaves a lot of debris. Using programs with
local, sizable databases (offline news readers, lots of web browsing)
will cause more.
Sounds like a misbehaving Program (open task manager and see where
your memory has gone). REBOOT. Many computers default to HIBERNATE,
which does not clear memory leaks. Check that your "Virtual memory"
has not been incorrectly configured. Lastly, there is no substitute
for RAM, 1G or more of it.
 
Hi Gerry,

OK...I completed everything you suggested and then some. However, something
strange (to me) came up at the end of my data collection. D drive is full
according to all the monitors and system checks.

When I click on D drive I see two folders. One folder is titled, "DATA" and
the other one, "RECOVERY". When I click on "DATA" there is another folder
called, "EN". When I click on "EN" there are 21 files, all titled
"FACTORY001, FACTORY002, FACTORY003, and so on. They were all last modified
on 11-29-2001 and all are the exact same size of 48,768KB.

Then, when I go back and click on the "RECOVER" folder, there is absolutely
nothing...no files, no folders, nothing.

I really don't know much about the technical details with computers but, do
you think I should reformat D drive or something? I hope this information
helps. I wasn't sure what was applicable and what wasn't. I was going to
attach or paste a screen capture (I use Snagit8) of a couple of these windows
but couldn't figure out how to do it.

In any case, I hope this helps - and I hope we can get it fixed. Following
are more data for your reading enjoyment. :-)

Thanks again -Barbara

Finally, the information you asked for (and then some) is as follows:
Disk Size/Usage: C drive=44.0GB free of 99.4GB and D drive=32.5MB free of
11.2GB.
RAM=1.96GB
VIRTUAL MEMORY: Total paging size for all drives = 2800MB (I increased it
last night by approximately 500 following your suggestion).
DEFRAG= ran this twice yesterday and again today.
RELIABILITITY AND PERFORMANCE MONITOR=D drive free clusters=8326 total
clusters=2,954,202. 2 partitions on D - sizes 12,124,062,720 start
offset:106,829,936,640 (compared to C drive at 32,256)
RESOURCE OVERVIEW=Nic Broadcom 802.11g network adaptor using 41,960 bits and
has 50,065,574 bits capacity. Disk I/O=Readwrite=Reads 140.7secs + Writes
64/sec
 
Steve,

I appreciate your explanation about the defrag on new computers. I checked
task manager and didn't see anything (as far as I could tell), that would eat
up the memory.

I just posted a longer synopsis of what I have done and what I found above -
in response to Gerry's post. As you can see - maybe is physical disk space
that is the culprit instead of RAM? In any case, I am in over my head on the
technical side of this problem and am glad you all are here to help.

Thanks,

Barbara
 
It sounds like it may be reporting the low disk space on the recovery
partition.

Try making this change in the registry to disable the low disk space
warning, since you know you have the space:

Run the Registry Editor (REGEDIT.EXE).
Open HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ Software\ Microsoft\ Windows\ CurrentVersion\
Policies\ Explorer.
If it's not there, create a DWORD value and call it NoLowDiskSpaceChecks.
Double-click on NoLowDiskSpaceChecks, and enter the value 1, and press OK.

--
Dustin Harper
(e-mail address removed)
http://www.vistarip.com

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Hi, Barbara.
When I click on "EN" there are 21 files, all titled
"FACTORY001, FACTORY002, FACTORY003, and so on. They were all last
modified
on 11-29-2001 and all are the exact same size of 48,768KB.

I suspect this is at least a large part of your problem. Let's see, 21 * 48
MB = just over 1 GB. That doesn't explain all your problem, but my guess is
that this relates to it in some way. And all were modified in 2001? Vista
files don't go back that far! You need to do some serious examination of
what EN means and how it got onto your computer!

Speaking of your computer: You say it's new (just one month), and you gave
us some statistics, but you haven't told us the make or model. Some
manufacturers use hidden partitions and other techniques, so knowing the
maker might give some of us (not me) a clue as to where to look for
"missing" disk space.
Then, when I go back and click on the "RECOVER" folder, there is
absolutely
nothing...no files, no folders, nothing.

Another possible hiding spot for "lost" stuff. Have you set Vista to show
you hidden files and folders? There are two ways for you to see the hidden
stuff. First, in the Control Panel, click Folder Options | View and make 3
changes: Set it to Show hidden files and folders, to NOT Hide extensions
for known file types (doesn't relate to your current problem but, as long as
you're here...), and to NOT Hide protected operating system files (note the
warning and then go ahead).

My favorite way to see EVERYTHING is to open a Command Prompt window and
then use the old Dir command with the /s and /a switches. Dir shows a
listing of files in a Directory (the former name for Folder); the /s
switches lists contents of Subdirectories as well, and /a shows All files,
including Hidden, System, etc., files. At the prompt, type:
dir d:\ /s /a

Be prepared for a long wait as thousands of filenames scroll past. When it
finishes, check the totals to see how many files and folders are there and
how many GB they use; you probably will be amazed! Then, to start narrowing
down your search, look at a folder at a time:
dir d:\recover /s/a

This should show you what is in that Recover folder and you can decide
whether any of it is worth keeping. It may truly be empty, or it might hold
tons of stuff. You might want to try this on that EN folder, too, to see if
there are files in addition to the ones you've seen. Post the names and
sizes here if you are unsure.

In those stats you posted, there is some terminology confusion that we
should clear up:
RELIABILITITY AND PERFORMANCE MONITOR=D drive free clusters=8326 total
clusters=2,954,202. 2 partitions on D - sizes 12,124,062,720 start
offset:106,829,936,640 (compared to C drive at 32,256)

That line about "2 partitions on D" can't be correct. "Drive D:" IS a
partition and can't be further partitioned. Each partition is assigned a
"drive" letter. How many physical hard drives do you have? You probably
have a single "Disk 0" that is partitioned into Drive D: and Drive C:. To
see just how this works, use Disk Management: Run diskmgmt.msc

Don't be surprised, though, if all this searching and deleting does no good
at all. Sometimes, a poorly-programmed application or utility does not know
how to work with today's big hard drives and will complain of not enough
drive space for no good reason. If all the ideas we've piled on you so far
don't work, we may have to start looking at the specific programs on your
computer.

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Mail in Vista Ultimate x64)
 
Dustin, et al,

I ran the dir commands on D drive. It showed 1869 files GB 12,062,061,174
and 237 folders GB 34,103,296 (free). I don't understand the "free" part but
that's what I got.

I was trying to remember all the things I've been doing on this computer and
it finally dawned on me that the disk full problem on the d drive might be
from the two computer transfers I did. After I got the computer, I transfered
the files from my two old computers to this one. I suspect this might be the
problem.

So, if you agree this may have caused this problem, can I just reformat the
d drive? I am scared to make any changes to the registry. I was hoping there
is a way around getting into the registry because I am not technical enough
and totally uncomfortable getting in over my head here.

By the way - sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I had some serious
medical issues come up that took all my time. I didn't want you to think I
just dropped out of sight.

Thanks,

Barbara
 
Hello Dustin, et al,

I thought I posted a response, but it looks like it didn't come through.
Anyway, I check the directories on the d drive through the command line and
came up with 1869 files GB12,062,061,174 and 237 folders GB34,103,296 free.
(I'm not sure what the "free" was about)

Also, it finally dawned on me that when I first got this computer, I
transfered data from two of my older computers. I wonder if this is what
caused the d drive recovery disk full message??

Can I just reformat the d drive and start from scratch? I am not that
technical and am really uncomfortable going into the registry. I'm not sure
how to back up a registry or fix it if I mess it up. Wouldn't reformating the
d drive now be easier?

I checked the computer management again and wanted to tell you that under
Volume, there are three rows. The first one just has a little disk-like icon
and nothing after it, the next one has the same icon and has (C:) after it,
and the last one has the icon, and has HP_RECOVERY D: They all say the Layout
is "Simple", the Type is "Basic" but the blank row is blank under File
System, while the (C:) says NTFS AND THE HP_RECOVERY (D:) says it is FAT32
File system.

I have no idea if any of the additional information helps, but I guess the
question is -- can I simply reformt the drive somehow?

Thanks!!

Barbara
(PS: Sorry for taking so long to post a response. I had some serious medical
problems I had to deal with and am now a bit better. I didn't want you to
think I just dropped out of our conversation.)
 
Hi, Barbara.
I thought I posted a response, but it looks like it didn't come through.

Yep. Both your messages arrived. ;<)
Anyway, I check the directories on the d drive through the command line
and
came up with 1869 files GB12,062,061,174 and 237 folders GB34,103,296
free.
(I'm not sure what the "free" was about)

First, a little HD 101...

GB means GigaByte. A "byte" is 8 bits. A bit is the smallest piece of info
a computer uses and a hard drive can store; 8 bits make one "byte", which
can represent one character, such as the letter "A" or the symbol "$".
Because the computer uses a binary system, rather than a decimal system,
most computer measurements deal in powers of 2, rather than in powers of 10.
A KB (kilobyte) is 2^10 bytes, or 1,024 bytes. For shorthand, since 1,024
is close to 1,000, and since often an approximation is "close enough", users
often referred to 16,000 as "16KB" or "16K", for example, even though 16 KB
is really 16,384. As we started dealing with bigger numbers, the
discrepancies got bigger, too, but most experienced users recognized the
differences and mentally reconciled the numbers. A MegaByte is K * K, or
1,024 * 1,024 = 1,048,576, not an even one million. So a 20 MB HD actually
held almost 21 million bytes - but there were always a few thousand bytes
lost to bad sectors and disk overhead, so 20 MB was "close enough". As disk
drive makers made even bigger drives, they passed the billion-byte capacity
mark. They began to use GB or GigaByte to refer to 1,000 MB, even though
many computer users pointed out that GB really means K * MB, or 1,024 MB or
1,073,741,824, and that a drive that holds 20 billion bytes and is probably
advertised as 20 GB, actually holds only about 18.626 GB (20,000,000,000 /
1,073,741,824). In most cases, referring to GB as a billion bytes is still
"close enough", but sometimes we have to be more precise.

In your case, your 1869 files use 12,062,061,174 BYTES, or almost 12 GB, not
12,062,061,174 GB. These 1869 files are in 237 folders. A folder (or Dir)
uses very little disk space, usually, since it is only an index to a group
of files.

Are you sure it said "GB34,103,296 free"? Or 34,103,296 BYTES free, which
would be about 34 MB, not GB - a thousand-fold difference. Your 34 MB of
free space is the amount of storage that is not currently in use. In other
words, you should be able to write nearly 34 MB more information to that
drive, which is about 1/30th of 1 GB. In today's world, 34 MB is not a lot
of free space; 34 GB should provide some elbow room.
I checked the computer management again and wanted to tell you that under
Volume, there are three rows. The first one just has a little disk-like
icon
and nothing after it, the next one has the same icon and has (C:) after
it,
and the last one has the icon, and has HP_RECOVERY D: They all say the
Layout
is "Simple", the Type is "Basic" but the blank row is blank under File
System, while the (C:) says NTFS AND THE HP_RECOVERY (D:) says it is FAT32
File system.

Disk Management is one of the most useful utilities in Windows, in my
opinion. I've been using it often ever since it first appeared in Windows
2000. (It still irritates me that I can't set it to always start
full-screen and with the column headings adjusted to fit the data in them,
but those are minor quibbles.) The Help file here is chock-full of
information that every computer user needs to know, although it is organized
to be read like a reference, rather than a text, so we have to search for
the topics we want to learn about, rather than read a sequential
explanation. You can organize the default View to show you more about YOUR
computer if the default does not fit it. The default shows the Volume List
at the top and the Graphical View at the bottom; the divider between them
can be moved with your mouse, just like any other window. Both views show
almost the same information, but organized differently. The graphical view
also shows the physical disks, as well as the volumes (partitions and
logical drives) on each disk. The "Simple" and "Basic" labels are normal
for most users (including me). The File System should be NTFS (NT File
System) for all of Vista, except for any special volumes that HP uses. The
Capacity and Free Space columns should match what other utilities (such as
Explorer and Dir) are telling you.

In your case, my guess is that you have a single disk; the Graphical View
should show it as Disk 0, divided into 3 primary partitions (boxes with a
dark blue bar over the top of each). The Volume List would show the 3 lines
you describe, one for each of those partitions. The first one has no
letter, probably because it is part of HP's OEM (Original Equipment
Manufacturer) drive organization; typically you would never need to explore
this un-lettered and un-labeled partition. The second partition is your
Drive C: and is where all (or most) of the action should be in your
computer. This should hold your Windows Vista, plus all your applications
and all your data - all of the 12 GB of "stuff" that you found.

The Drive D: that you see is more of HP's system for organizing and
maintaining your computer; since I've never had an HP or worked on one very
much, I have no idea what is here. But some of the HP-aware readers here
should be able to interpret that for you. My guess is that you could delete
that whole partition and recover the space for your use - but my
understanding may be wrong; deleting the partition could make your computer
unusable. :>( So wait until you really know what that Drive D: is all
about before you delete it.


I've probably told you more than you want to know (or what you already
know), Barbara, but in a newsgroup (or Communities), we never know who may
be "reading over our shoulders" and might benefit from the fuller
explanation.

Study Disk Management and its Help file at length, and find some other
references, too. A good understanding of hard disks and their management
will not just help you solve your current problem, but will be an investment
that will pay dividends as long as you continue to use computers - which
just might be for the rest of your life!

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Mail in Vista Ultimate x64)
 
Hello RC!

Thank you so much for all the information - and you were right to assume I
knew nothing about all that. I've been doing a lot of guessing for a while
now.

First thing is you were right about the space on what is called the D:
Drive. It does say:
237 dirs 34,103,296 BYTES
1869 files 12,062,061,174 BYTES free

So, I do have some room to spare.

The pain in my neck is now - I understood there were two 100GB hard-drives
in this machine when I bought it. I just assumed since I saw the drive letter
"D" that I had two drives. I'll have to go back to all the paperwork and
find what the heck I missed.

Also, since I just purchased this computer, I suppose I can take it back to
the store and ask them to fix it - but, that doesn't mean I am not going to
go into the help files and learn what it is I need them to do. I don't feel
like I am technically buffed enough to try figuring this out on my own.
Besides I am going to school and am now really behind on my homework. Good
thing I still have my old computer.

I really appreciate that you and everyone else has been there (here) to help
me with this. Wish me luck!

Thanks again,

Barbara
 
Hi, Barbara.

I'm glad we're making some progress. ;<)
I understood there were two 100GB hard-drives
in this machine when I bought it. I just assumed since I saw the drive
letter
"D" that I had two drives.

One big problem is that we all (I plead Guilty, too!) use some words
ambiguously or carelessly. (English language can be SO precise - or SO
confusing!)

One word that is used in many different ways is "drive". Each computer may
use from one to several physical hard disk drives; to cut down on SOME of
the ambiguity, I often use "HD" to refer to a hard drive. Each HD can be
divided - by software - into several "partitions", each using a specific
portion of the HD surface. Each partition might look like a doughnut within
a doughnut, taking up a band of tracks on each platter of the physical disk.
The operating system (WinXP, Vista, Linux) assigns a "drive letter" to each
partition, which can be separately formatted (FAT32, NTFS) and managed as
though it were a separate drive. A HD can be "partitioned" into a single
partition - and many (most) of them are set up this way. In this case, the
"drive letter" still refers to the single partition, not to the whole HD.
The HD is usually referred to by number, starting with zero. IF you have
two HDs, Disk Management should show them - in the Graphical View - as Disk
0 and Disk 1, each displayed on a separate line, showing the partitions
("drives") on that particular disk.

Historically, PCs used floppy disks for several years before they got hard
disk drives, and there were no partitions on floppies. The first drive in
each computer was Drive A:; a few computers had a second floppy, Drive B:.
When hard drives first arrived, the operating systems reserved A: and B: for
floppies and assigned C: to THE hard drive. Later, we learned to divide a
HD into multiple partitions and to use multiple HDs in a single computer -
and even later, we started assigning "drive" letters to CD (and DVD) drives,
network drives, digital cameras, and all sorts of other devices.

The operating system (Vista) assigns drive letters during Setup, as it
installs the OS. Vista typically reserves C: for its own "boot volume";
this is usually but not always the first (only?) partition on the first
(only?) HD. Then it assigns other letters according to rules built into
Vista. The letter D: might be assigned to the next partition on the first
(only?) HD, or to a partition on another HD, or to a CD or other device
found during Setup. Other devices may be added later, and the user can
change most letter assignments by using Disk Management. Many of us
intentionally create multiple partitions so that we can install multiple
operating systems, or keep our applications (programs, like Word) and data
(like our letters, photos, etc.) in separate partitions for various reasons.
I'll have to go back to all the paperwork and
find what the heck I missed.

Yes. Your Drive D: might mean that you have a second HD. Or it might mean
that your one HD has been partitioned into at least two "drives". And you
will need to learn the significance of that Drive H:.

There's a lot more to be learned - but you've learned a lot already! More
than many computer users ever understand. ;<)

RC
--
R. C. White, CPA
San Marcos, TX
(e-mail address removed)
Microsoft Windows MVP
(Running Windows Mail in Vista Ultimate x64)
 
Barbara

One small detail to add to an excellent explanation by RC. Disk
Management is found by selecting Start, Settings, Control Panel,
Administrative Tools, Computer Management, Disk Management.

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
Hi Gerry,

Thanks for the additional info. I am really glad all of you are here and so
helpful. I hope I learn enough to be able to return the favor. Seriously!

Oh, and...I assume the disk management area is where I'll find out how to
remove or clean up what is the "D" drive on this machine so I can get this
little window to quit poping up at me every other minute to tell me the D
drive is low on space, etc.? Based on everything we have all talked about,
all I should have to do is delete whatever is there...right? Except the
directories that are there "look" like they are empty but, they must be full
of hidden files. (those files I saw when I did the "dir" command in the
command window right?)

I'm just afraid I'll erase the wrong thing. :-(

Thanks,

Barbara
 
Barbara

Low on disk space messages are usually because the pagefile maximum
is set too low. Right click on the Computer icon on your Desktop and
select Properties, Advanced System Settings, Advanced, Performance
Settings, Advanced, Change. Is your system set to Automatically
manage the pagefile or have you set a custom pagefile minimum /
maximum? What maximum has been set?

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
Hello Gerry,

Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I am in school and am swamped with
homework. I reset the configuration so windows would automatically manage the
pagefile. Then, I just deleted the files that were there. (they didn't make
any sense to me, but that doesn't mean a lot) I have clicked on the clean up
buttons and have run defrag a couple of times. I now have 1.05GB of free
space out of 10.2GB. I really do not see anything on the drive. Do you know
why it shows that the space is used? Are the files hidden? Did I mess things
up by deleting the files I could see?

Thanks, again -

Barbara

--
Barbara


Gerry Cornell said:
Barbara

Low on disk space messages are usually because the pagefile maximum
is set too low. Right click on the Computer icon on your Desktop and
select Properties, Advanced System Settings, Advanced, Performance
Settings, Advanced, Change. Is your system set to Automatically
manage the pagefile or have you set a custom pagefile minimum /
maximum? What maximum has been set?

--


Hope this helps.

Gerry
~~~~
FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
 
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