Looking for new printer

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Well, I had a cannon and every picture faded (used only cannon ink and
paper).
Got rid of that one and bought an epson c82.
The pictures did not fade at all. I even made a test by putting one in
the direct sunlight for 6 months and it never faded. The trouble with
that printer is the fact that the cleaning tube clogs. I took it apart
and fixed it twice, but the heads are done for and I need another
printer.
I need one with separate ink colors so I don't waste ink, and I need one
that doesn't fade.
Something that is cheap to run would be nice.
Don't know much about other brands.
mes.
 
Well, I had a cannon and every picture faded (used only cannon ink and
paper).
Got rid of that one and bought an epson c82.
The pictures did not fade at all. I even made a test by putting one in
the direct sunlight for 6 months and it never faded. The trouble with
that printer is the fact that the cleaning tube clogs. I took it apart
and fixed it twice, but the heads are done for and I need another
printer.
I need one with separate ink colors so I don't waste ink, and I need one
that doesn't fade.
Something that is cheap to run would be nice.
Don't know much about other brands.
mes.
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Mes
I have recently seen a HP K550 and was most impressed.
You may wish to look up the specs on the HP website, various options are
available, it is not a cheap printer but is well priced for what it offers.
Tony
 
Well, I had a cannon and every picture faded (used only cannon ink and
paper).
Got rid of that one and bought an epson c82.
The pictures did not fade at all. I even made a test by putting one in
the direct sunlight for 6 months and it never faded. The trouble with
that printer is the fact that the cleaning tube clogs. I took it apart
and fixed it twice, but the heads are done for and I need another
printer.
I need one with separate ink colors so I don't waste ink, and I need one
that doesn't fade.
Something that is cheap to run would be nice.
Don't know much about other brands.
mes.
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The C series all use DuraBrite ink, where every color is pigment. It's
not as wide a color gamut because it only uses 4 colors instead of 6,
but it's a decent line. The pigment ink also makes it clog easily, you
should always keep the printer running with all colors on (instead of
setting it to default black/white like most people do to save colors)
and you should do the waste ink tank modification that's been
mentioned around here several times. It's more difficult with the C
than R series, but not all that complicated. If you want to get the
C88, it uses an even 'better' version of DuraBrite (according to
Epson) that's glossier on regular photo paper.

The K550 that someone else here reccomended is a good business
printer. It has Vivera inks, which are supposed to be fade-resistant
when used with HP papers due to the chemistry between them. However,
the color tanks are dye, not pigment, and will probably not be as fade
resistant as the pigment ones you tested. Another problem with this
printer is that unlike its predecessors, the 1100D/DTN and
1200D/DTN/DTW, it has two different sized ink tanks. The regular ones
are no bigger than other HP cartridges, about 18ml black and 9 ml
color. The giant ones are as yet unavailable in most office supply
stores (though this could be regional) and are a great deal smaller
than the giant tanks the other printers use. 58 down from 69 for the
black, and 17 down from 28 for the colors, and the 88 series high
capacity carts are more expensive than the 10/11 ones. This irritates
me, since HP is heavily marketing this as a cheap business printer to
rival lasers while they've had the 1100 series out for years, yet made
the consumables quite a bit more expensive. I was going to replace my
1100D (which has a .6" bottom margin, which wouldn't be a problem for
most people, but is the only reason I'm getting rid of it) with a K550
until I saw how much more expensive this printer is to run. I'm going
to buy a C88 with refill tanks or CIS instead. The K550 would be a
better choice, though more expensive, if you want to use OEM
cartridges and not deal with refilling. For the average user, the high
capacity tanks for the K550 will last a very very long time.

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SOMETHING IS WRONG WITH WHAT YOU DID. I HAVE A CANON IP4000, USE CANON
OEM INK EXCLUSIVELY, CANON PHOTO PAPER PRO AND COSTCO/KIRKLAND FULL
SHEET GLOSSY AND HAVE HAD NO FADING OR ANY OTHER PROBLEM IN 18 MONTHS
WITH PHOTOS SITTING ON A DESK IN A SUNNY ROOM.
 
Say, what about ones that use a ribbon instead of ink? Those photo
printers that is sold in camera stores that just print 4 x 6 pictures
has those, and I was impressed by the samples they had. MES.
 
One point to note, just because a printer has seperate ink tank
does'nt always say you can purge one particular colour to clear th
nozzles, think you may need to check on that point

You've tried Canon and a bit 'humped' with the last one , seems logi
to me to try another brand

I had Epsons and they clogged, chances are you'll get another Epso
and end up with the same problem

What could help you decide is to look through 'all' the forums - no
just this, look at all user reviews and various shopping sites an
then make a judgement, taking a note of all the pros and cons

I can hold my hand up and say that I have never had a clog with th
Canon that I had purchased since last June/July and never needed
nozzle clean yet so obviously I would say get a Canon. I could'nt sa
get an HP as I've never owned one don't equally would I say get a
Epson after my experiences with them

The trouble is Epson printers are unpridictable... not in pictur
quality but reliability

Dav
 
There aren't many alternatives in low end printers, unfortunately.

The four color Durabrite printers have very fade resistant inks, due to
them being pigment colorants. However, as you stated, some people have
problems with either clogged printer heads or clogged cleaning station
hoses, etc.

The best printers for pigment inks plus low clogs are Epson's
Ultrachrome printers. The least costly, however is the R800 and it is
still not a low end printer and ink cost is high because it uses many
color cartridges.

HP newest inks have good fade resistance when combined with their
swellable polymer papers. They take a while to fully dry. Ink
cartridges are somewhat pricey.

Although most dye ink printers (Canon and Epson R220/R320) are less
likely to clog, they will fade quicker.


I would like to see Epson come out with a lower end printer using
Ultrachrome inks. So far, no go.

Art
 
MES said:
Say, what about ones that use a ribbon instead of ink? Those photo
printers that is sold in camera stores that just print 4 x 6 pictures
has those, and I was impressed by the samples they had. MES.
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Dye-sub (Dye Sublimation) printers.
 
You are referring to dye sublimation printers. They use a mylar film as
wide as the maximum size print they can produce which has a series of
colored ink panels on them. Usually it is cyan, yellow and magenta,
plus, if you are lucky, a clear UV protective coating.

The main disadvantage to these are the cost per print is always the same
regardless of how much color ends up on the print, since each print uses
up 3 or four panels regardless. They have become cheaper (under $100
US) faster and the dyes have become more stable, especially with the UV
coating, but they are not as fade resistant as pigment inks.

They must use the paper provided, which usually is glossy. Cost for
paper and colorant is between $.25 and $.65 per print, depending on
brand. You are usually stuck with buying the manufacturer's paper and
ribbons. Some can print direct from camera or memory card, and have an
LCD screen.

Art
 
Davy said:
One point to note, just because a printer has seperate ink tanks
does'nt always say you can purge one particular colour to clear the
nozzles, think you may need to check on that point.

You've tried Canon and a bit 'humped' with the last one , seems logic
to me to try another brand.

I had Epsons and they clogged, chances are you'll get another Epson
and end up with the same problem.
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IT APPEARS FROM READING THIS NG THAT THE C SERIES EPSONS ARE REAL
PROBLEM BUT I DO NOT HEAR TOO MUCH NEGATIVE ABOUT THE R300 EPSON WHEN
USED WITH EPSON INK.
 
HP newest inks have good fade resistance when combined with their
swellable polymer papers. They take a while to fully dry. Ink
cartridges are somewhat pricey.
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HP prints on HP swellablye-polymer papers *never*
really dry. I know this from experience; it's why
I sold my Designjet 30, even though in most other
regards I was quite happy with it.

Ink cost per print on the HP DesignJet series is as
low as I've ever seen in an inkjet printer, and far
lower than any Epson or Canon printer I've used. I
went a whole year on the original set of carts, and
they still had some life left to them when I sold it.

The DJ series (30, 90, 130) user large, stationary
ink carts, just like the Epson Pro models. The HP
carts are either 29/58 ml -- smaller than the Epson
Pro carts, but much larger than any Epson/Canon
desktop printer.


rafe b
www.terrapinphoto.com
 
I won't argue with anything you've stated here, but the original poster
seemed to be looking for a small desktop printer to replace her C82, as
I recall. The OP was also indicating a need for higher permanence
images. Similar printers of that nature in the HP line use very small
cartridges in the Vivera line (like 9ml or less per color) and the cost
does mount up.

I do know HP is using a new ink recycling system within some of their
new models that is supposed to lessen ink loss due to cleaning cycles,
but I still suspect the cost per print is somewhat higher than Canon or
even Epson with this printer line, although I have not seen any
independent test results yet.

When you state that the prints never dry on glossy paper, what kind of
characteristics do the prints have (do they smear, is the surface soft,
etc? Also, are the designjet inks part of the newer Vivera line which
are supposed to have longer fade resistance when used with certain HP
papers?

Art
 
(e-mail address removed) (MES Jones) wrote in 3155.bay.webtv.net:
Say, what about ones that use a ribbon instead of ink? Those photo
printers that is sold in camera stores that just print 4 x 6 pictures
has those, and I was impressed by the samples they had. MES.
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Darned expensive consumeables, IMO.
 
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