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Glenn

To my friends and even to the zealots. An update.

I re-downloaded Knoppix and tried it again. I found it will run on the good
machine but not my # 2 one.

Number 2 has these features.

Anthon ADM-K7, 700Mhz, 256 Mb ram.
It has a Panasonic, PanaSync S-17, 17" Monitor.
Display adaptor card is Diamond Viper V-770.

Now, that ain't chopped liver and M$ runs on it fine.

I downloaded MandrakeMove and it runs just fine on #2. Knoppix obviously
has a bug yet to be found.

BTW Knoppix downloaded in 31 minutes.
MandrakeMove took 30 minutes
Mandrake disk 1 took 29 minutes
Mandrake disk 2 wanted to take 50 hours. Everyone in the world
must have hit that mirror at that time. [g] Also the source I used made no
mention of payment or membership.

I have a couple of questions about maybe loading the full Mandrake on disk
'D'. Booting to and so-forth but afraid to ask here.

Glenn
 
Glenn said:
BTW Knoppix downloaded in 31 minutes.
MandrakeMove took 30 minutes
Mandrake disk 1 took 29 minutes
Mandrake disk 2 wanted to take 50 hours. Everyone in the world
must have hit that mirror at that time. [g] Also the source I used made no
mention of payment or membership.
Click to expand...

Try the bit torrent thing. I used it with Shareazza (sp?) as the client,
this seems to get things done way faster as it shares the load between
mirrors.
I have a couple of questions about maybe loading the full Mandrake on disk
'D'. Booting to and so-forth but afraid to ask here.
Click to expand...

If you are currently booting to Windows'98, there are hundreds of sites out
there describing how to using LILO as your boot loader. If you are booting
to an NT variant like W2K or XP, there are some extra gotchas to look out
for, but a google search will find this all for you. If you get no help
there, also look on the linux groups, most of the people there have dual
booted at some time, and know their way around dual booting. Currently I'm
running on one machine, Win'98 on my primary drive, and Mandrake 9.2 on my
second drive, using System Commander as my boot manager. On my laptop, I'm
running XP as a host OS and Mandrake 9.2 Linux as a guest in VMware
workstation v4. Running Linux as a dual boot is definately faster, but
running as a guest is much more convienient.
HK
HK
 
H-Man said:
Glenn said:
BTW Knoppix downloaded in 31 minutes.
MandrakeMove took 30 minutes
Mandrake disk 1 took 29 minutes
Mandrake disk 2 wanted to take 50 hours. Everyone in the world
must have hit that mirror at that time. [g] Also the source I used
Click to expand...
made
no
mention of payment or membership.
Click to expand...

Try the bit torrent thing. I used it with Shareazza (sp?) as the client,
this seems to get things done way faster as it shares the load between
mirrors.
I have a couple of questions about maybe loading the full Mandrake on disk
'D'. Booting to and so-forth but afraid to ask here.
Click to expand...

If you are currently booting to Windows'98, there are hundreds of sites out
there describing how to using LILO as your boot loader. If you are booting
to an NT variant like W2K or XP, there are some extra gotchas to look out
for, but a google search will find this all for you. If you get no help
there, also look on the linux groups, most of the people there have dual
booted at some time, and know their way around dual booting. Currently I'm
running on one machine, Win'98 on my primary drive, and Mandrake 9.2 on my
second drive, using System Commander as my boot manager. On my laptop, I'm
running XP as a host OS and Mandrake 9.2 Linux as a guest in VMware
workstation v4. Running Linux as a dual boot is definately faster, but
running as a guest is much more convienient.
HK
HK
Click to expand...

The LILO I looked up seemed to be for win 95 and #2 has win98 in it and I
found no-where to download it. Is it a freebee?

The System Commander was 49 bucks.

What heading would I look under to find something in the freeware listings?

Glenn
 
Glenn said:
H-Man said:
Glenn said:
BTW Knoppix downloaded in 31 minutes.
MandrakeMove took 30 minutes
Mandrake disk 1 took 29 minutes
Mandrake disk 2 wanted to take 50 hours. Everyone in the world
must have hit that mirror at that time. [g] Also the source I used
Click to expand...
made
no
mention of payment or membership.
Click to expand...

Try the bit torrent thing. I used it with Shareazza (sp?) as the client,
this seems to get things done way faster as it shares the load between
mirrors.
I have a couple of questions about maybe loading the full Mandrake on disk
'D'. Booting to and so-forth but afraid to ask here.
Click to expand...

If you are currently booting to Windows'98, there are hundreds of sites out
there describing how to using LILO as your boot loader. If you are booting
to an NT variant like W2K or XP, there are some extra gotchas to look out
for, but a google search will find this all for you. If you get no help
there, also look on the linux groups, most of the people there have dual
booted at some time, and know their way around dual booting. Currently I'm
running on one machine, Win'98 on my primary drive, and Mandrake 9.2 on my
second drive, using System Commander as my boot manager. On my laptop, I'm
running XP as a host OS and Mandrake 9.2 Linux as a guest in VMware
workstation v4. Running Linux as a dual boot is definately faster, but
running as a guest is much more convienient.
HK
HK
Click to expand...

The LILO I looked up seemed to be for win 95 and #2 has win98 in it and I
found no-where to download it. Is it a freebee?

The System Commander was 49 bucks.

What heading would I look under to find something in the freeware listings?
Click to expand...
http://www.ranish.com/part/xosl.htm
This is probably the best freebee I've heard of, but I couldn't get it to
work on my system, probably because of the add-in IDE card. That's why I
went back to an old copy of System Commander I had laying around.

LILO is at http://freshmeat.net/projects/lilo/?topic_id=139
GRUB is at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/grub.html

If you are installing Mandrake LILO is the default and will be installed as
such. As for what it has in it, is a matter of configuration, and can have
in it whatever you specify. Ther are of course limits, but LILO can boot
many OS'. You will need to read the documentation on these. Almost all of
these include some sort of documenation on how to dual boot Windows'9x and
Linux. IIRC the Mandrake install has options to install as a dual boot, and
will configure LILO accordingly, again read the documentation on the
Mandrake site. I fully recommend Mandrake as your first Linux install as it
has among the best installers in the industry. After having installed almost
every flavor of Windows at one time or another, I can say that the Mandrake
installer is among the best in the industry, period.
HK
 
oh, and don't forget, backup your system before messing with installing a
dual boot. Use something like Partition Save to make sure you have a
complete drive backup.
HK
 
Mandrake will handle it for you - I think the current release even
handles Win2000/XP although I'm not 100% sure. Recent posts in the
Linux groups seem to indicate that dual booting with Win2000 and XP
used to be a problem but might not be any more. In any event, the
solution is to use the boot manager for Windows to handle booting
Linux if it is a problem. The Web sites can explain it.

Only because you don't have to reboot, which I suppose is more
convenient. But you have to pay for VMWare.
The LILO I looked up seemed to be for win 95 and #2 has win98 in it and I
found no-where to download it. Is it a freebee?
Click to expand...

If you downloaded the current Mandrake, I would expect LILO to be on
the CD somewhere - that or GRUB, which some distros are preferring
these days as it is a bit more powerful and flexible than LILO - or
both of them. The distro might even ask you which one you want to use
when you install.
The System Commander was 49 bucks.
What heading would I look under to find something in the freeware listings?
Click to expand...

Forget boot managers. Linux can handle it.
 
oh, and don't forget, backup your system before messing with installing a
dual boot. Use something like Partition Save to make sure you have a
complete drive backup.
Click to expand...

Second that. It IS possible for a Linux installer to reach out and
trash the partition table on a disk it isn't even installing to.
Happened to me, although the cause was some weird combo of Compaq
BIOS, Maxtor HD, and installer. Red Hat 7.0 had no trouble at all, but
anything later - Red Hat or Mandrake - simply could not handle the
partition table even after their own tools had created and formatted
it.
 
To my friends and even to the zealots. An update.

I re-downloaded Knoppix and tried it again. I found it will run on the good
machine but not my # 2 one.

Number 2 has these features.

Anthon ADM-K7, 700Mhz, 256 Mb ram.
It has a Panasonic, PanaSync S-17, 17" Monitor.
Display adaptor card is Diamond Viper V-770.

Now, that ain't chopped liver and M$ runs on it fine.

I downloaded MandrakeMove and it runs just fine on #2. Knoppix obviously
has a bug yet to be found.

BTW Knoppix downloaded in 31 minutes.
MandrakeMove took 30 minutes
Mandrake disk 1 took 29 minutes
Mandrake disk 2 wanted to take 50 hours. Everyone in the world
must have hit that mirror at that time. [g] Also the source I used made no
mention of payment or membership.

I have a couple of questions about maybe loading the full Mandrake on disk
'D'. Booting to and so-forth but afraid to ask here.

Glenn
Click to expand...
Good news, Glenn. What source did you use?
Ted
e-mail modified, take the ** out to reply!

Regards, TW

kilocycles***@***yahoo.com
 
H-Man said:
Glenn said:
BTW Knoppix downloaded in 31 minutes.
MandrakeMove took 30 minutes
Mandrake disk 1 took 29 minutes
Mandrake disk 2 wanted to take 50 hours. Everyone in the world
must have hit that mirror at that time. [g] Also the source I used
Click to expand...
made
no
mention of payment or membership.
Click to expand...

Try the bit torrent thing. I used it with Shareazza (sp?) as the client,
this seems to get things done way faster as it shares the load between
mirrors.
I have a couple of questions about maybe loading the full Mandrake on disk
'D'. Booting to and so-forth but afraid to ask here.
Click to expand...

If you are currently booting to Windows'98, there are hundreds of sites out
there describing how to using LILO as your boot loader. If you are booting
to an NT variant like W2K or XP, there are some extra gotchas to look out
for, but a google search will find this all for you. If you get no help
there, also look on the linux groups, most of the people there have dual
booted at some time, and know their way around dual booting. Currently I'm
running on one machine, Win'98 on my primary drive, and Mandrake 9.2 on my
second drive, using System Commander as my boot manager. On my laptop, I'm
running XP as a host OS and Mandrake 9.2 Linux as a guest in VMware
workstation v4. Running Linux as a dual boot is definately faster, but
running as a guest is much more convienient.
HK
HK
Click to expand...

The LILO I looked up seemed to be for win 95 and #2 has win98 in it and I
found no-where to download it. Is it a freebee?

The System Commander was 49 bucks.

What heading would I look under to find something in the freeware listings?

Glenn
Click to expand...
The boot loader include Grub as well as Lilo. I tried the former on
my Athlon Slot A machine with no problems. I believe...and I'm
cautious in saying this...that Mandrake can configure Grub or Lilo to
multiboot. Otherwise, I can't quite remember what I did that added
the boot screen that allowed selection of '98 or Linux.
Ted
e-mail modified, take the ** out to reply!

Regards, TW

kilocycles***@***yahoo.com
 
TW said:
Good news, Glenn. What source did you use?
Click to expand...

To be very honest, I don't remember other than it was USA sources. There
are many of them and I tried several. I have since downloaded the last 2
disks but they each took a little over an hour. Sites must be busy.

Curious. The non-installing versions supposedly don't invade existing HD's
so how does it store, for example, data on a spread sheet?

Glenn
 
To my friends and even to the zealots. An update.

I re-downloaded Knoppix and tried it again. I found it will run on the good
machine but not my # 2 one.
Click to expand...

This could sometimes happen, if your hardware is not fully supportet,
or if your hardware is not included in the Live-system (the
developpers had to include a lot of software, modules for soundcards,
NIC, scsi-controllers, etc to fit an single CD. On my maschine with
tekram SCSI-controller 395U and a Plextor SCSI cdrom Knoppix will not
boot.
Number 2 has these features.

Anthon ADM-K7, 700Mhz, 256 Mb ram.
It has a Panasonic, PanaSync S-17, 17" Monitor.
Display adaptor card is Diamond Viper V-770.

Now, that ain't chopped liver and M$ runs on it fine.

I downloaded MandrakeMove and it runs just fine on #2. Knoppix obviously
has a bug yet to be found.
Click to expand...

Is is not a bug, is a question of the modules, in windows all
producers of hardware had their own modules for win, but there are
only a few (i hope they will grow) companies which have modules for
linux (nvidia,ATI,brother for GDI,Tekram).
BTW Knoppix downloaded in 31 minutes.
MandrakeMove took 30 minutes
Mandrake disk 1 took 29 minutes
Mandrake disk 2 wanted to take 50 hours. Everyone in the world
must have hit that mirror at that time. [g] Also the source I used made no
mention of payment or membership.

I have a couple of questions about maybe loading the full Mandrake on disk
'D'. Booting to and so-forth but afraid to ask here.
Click to expand...

Dualbooting is easy, with lilo. Grub or a thirdparty Bootmanager like
GAG, Xosl.
With GAG you have to store lilo in the rootpartion of Mandrake. By
starting GAG you put up the rootpartion for your Linux (mandrake) and
the Primäry partion for your Win98, thats all.
You could GAG first teston a floppy, before storing GAG in the MBR.

Intalling Linux is not so difficult as its sounds.
Just read the documentation of the Distribution, read some Howto and
looking which Hardware you have and if it is fully supportet a teh
moment.
Jörg
Glenn
Click to expand...

JV
 
Thanks but so far, I haven't found how to make it go to 'D' hd. Everything
wants to go to 'C' and I stop it before it actually goes. Perhaps if I let
it go farther, it would come to the option I'm looking for. This is for the
#2 as referenced below. I've looked in Google and some of the Linux ng's
and haven't seen a reference to that particular question and I have learned
not to ask anything over there.

Glenn

Jörg Volkmann said:
To my friends and even to the zealots. An update.

I re-downloaded Knoppix and tried it again. I found it will run on the good
machine but not my # 2 one.
Click to expand...

This could sometimes happen, if your hardware is not fully supportet,
or if your hardware is not included in the Live-system (the
developpers had to include a lot of software, modules for soundcards,
NIC, scsi-controllers, etc to fit an single CD. On my maschine with
tekram SCSI-controller 395U and a Plextor SCSI cdrom Knoppix will not
boot.
Number 2 has these features.

Anthon ADM-K7, 700Mhz, 256 Mb ram.
It has a Panasonic, PanaSync S-17, 17" Monitor.
Display adaptor card is Diamond Viper V-770.

Now, that ain't chopped liver and M$ runs on it fine.

I downloaded MandrakeMove and it runs just fine on #2. Knoppix obviously
has a bug yet to be found.
Click to expand...

Is is not a bug, is a question of the modules, in windows all
producers of hardware had their own modules for win, but there are
only a few (i hope they will grow) companies which have modules for
linux (nvidia,ATI,brother for GDI,Tekram).
BTW Knoppix downloaded in 31 minutes.
MandrakeMove took 30 minutes
Mandrake disk 1 took 29 minutes
Mandrake disk 2 wanted to take 50 hours. Everyone in the world
must have hit that mirror at that time. [g] Also the source I used made no
mention of payment or membership.

I have a couple of questions about maybe loading the full Mandrake on disk
'D'. Booting to and so-forth but afraid to ask here.
Click to expand...

Dualbooting is easy, with lilo. Grub or a thirdparty Bootmanager like
GAG, Xosl.
With GAG you have to store lilo in the rootpartion of Mandrake. By
starting GAG you put up the rootpartion for your Linux (mandrake) and
the Primäry partion for your Win98, thats all.
You could GAG first teston a floppy, before storing GAG in the MBR.

Intalling Linux is not so difficult as its sounds.
Just read the documentation of the Distribution, read some Howto and
looking which Hardware you have and if it is fully supportet a teh
moment.
Jörg
Glenn
Click to expand...

JV
Click to expand...
 
or if your hardware is not included in the Live-system (the
developpers had to include a lot of software, modules for soundcards,
NIC, scsi-controllers, etc to fit an single CD.
Click to expand...

Good point. These "live CD's" are NOT "full" multi-CD distros and
they have to include software on them that might ordinarily be on a
second or third CD (depends on the distro), so I imagine some things
get left out and some hardware support might be one of them.

It's still good for testing Linux on a machine to see if it is
supported, but don't rely it on entirely.
 
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