Light-duty color problem

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Bob Willard

Most of my SOHO printing is B&W, for which I use my trusty-but-slow
HP LJ 4L (purchased in the summer of 1994, and still working well).
For the rare color printout, I've had a number of inkjet printers
from a number of vendors, but they all clog due to being unused for
days or weeks at a time.

If I get a color laser printer, will it be trouble-free with occasional
use?

(I won't print photos, since I can get super quality by emailing
the .JPGs to a commercial photo store.)
 
Bob Willard said:
If I get a color laser printer, will it be trouble-free with occasional
use?

Bob-

The answer is a definite maybe!

There is no printhead to clog. The one serious problem I can imagine,
would be if the printer were subjected to continuous high humidity. It
would probably survive that if it were always on, so internally
generated heat would keep it dry.

I have two HP2605DN color laser printers connected to ethernet ports of
WiFi base stations for wireless printing. One at my Mom's house is
normally turned off and unplugged. It is only used when I am there.
For over a year, it has given no trouble.

One here has been left on continuously for about two years, although it
is not heavily used. There has been no serious problem. On rare
occasion there appears to be some kind of network glitch. Turning the
printer off and back on again, has always cleared the problem.

An HP4600N connected to the WiFi base station, ran for about four years
before it died. It is probably repairable but the HP2605DN makes the
old clunker obsolete.

Fred
 
Most of my SOHO printing is B&W, for which I use my trusty-but-slow
HP LJ 4L (purchased in the summer of 1994, and still working well).
For the rare color printout, I've had a number of inkjet printers
from a number of vendors, but they all clog due to being unused for
days or weeks at a time.

If I get a color laser printer, will it be trouble-free with occasional
use?

The HP LJ models of the 1990s were (not cheap and)
built to last. No SOHO laser printers are nowadays
built to last.

To prevent your difficulty with clogged inkjet printers,
some brands (e.g. Brother) are hard-wired to run
cleaning routines regularly (even if switched off.)
 
Bob Willard said:
Most of my SOHO printing is B&W, for which I use my trusty-but-slow
HP LJ 4L (purchased in the summer of 1994, and still working well).
For the rare color printout, I've had a number of inkjet printers
from a number of vendors, but they all clog due to being unused for
days or weeks at a time.

If I get a color laser printer, will it be trouble-free with occasional
use?

In general, yes, they should be trouble-free. Toner is a dry powder,
and there aren't any tiny nozzles to clog.

Note that there are also non-toner technologies like the Xerox solid ink
printers that may have their own low-duty-cycle problems.
 
Don said:
The HP LJ models of the 1990s were (not cheap and)
built to last. No SOHO laser printers are nowadays
built to last.

I'll vouch for that! I was offered an HP Color LaserJet 5 (or maybe
5M), manufactured 1997, and it's still working with very few
problems beyond routine maintenance. Cost of OEM consumables and
replacement parts thru eBay is almost nothing. I read the original
price was US $7500, later $5000.

OTOH it's the size of a window air conditioner, weighs 102 lbs. (46
kg.) empty, takes a while to warm up, is noisy, slow in color
(sometimes 0.1 ppm), and is a power hog (60W when not printing)...
but it's likely to outlast every other part of my system!

Adam
 
Fred said:
Bob-

The answer is a definite maybe!

There is no printhead to clog. The one serious problem I can imagine,
would be if the printer were subjected to continuous high humidity. It
would probably survive that if it were always on, so internally
generated heat would keep it dry.

I have two HP2605DN color laser printers connected to ethernet ports of
WiFi base stations for wireless printing. One at my Mom's house is
normally turned off and unplugged. It is only used when I am there.
For over a year, it has given no trouble.

One here has been left on continuously for about two years, although it
is not heavily used. There has been no serious problem. On rare
occasion there appears to be some kind of network glitch. Turning the
printer off and back on again, has always cleared the problem.

An HP4600N connected to the WiFi base station, ran for about four years
before it died. It is probably repairable but the HP2605DN makes the
old clunker obsolete.

Fred

Thanks, Fred (and others). Now I need to convince my GF/wife/partner
that the HP Color LJ CP 2025dn is worth the $500 price. Maybe I'll
tell her that the printer she normally uses is broken, so I *had* to
replace it.
 
Bob Willard said:
Most of my SOHO printing is B&W, for which I use my trusty-but-slow
HP LJ 4L (purchased in the summer of 1994, and still working well).
For the rare color printout, I've had a number of inkjet printers
from a number of vendors, but they all clog due to being unused for
days or weeks at a time.

days? like 365 days?
weeks? like 54 weeks?

If so then I don't think anyone can help you with that. But for few days
like 10-20 days then there must be somnething very wrong with all inkjet
printers you have, or you may not want to own any inkjet. But for few days,
and 2-3 weeks then just make sure to have the printer turn ON or printing
few lines once every few weeks to make sure the ink won't dry out.
If I get a color laser printer, will it be trouble-free with occasional
use?

Color Lser printer doesn't have ink to dry so you should be fine with it.
Or thermal printer would be fine too.
(I won't print photos, since I can get super quality by emailing
the .JPGs to a commercial photo store.)

It doesn't matter what you print, if you use inkjet then make sure to
prevend the ink being dried by printing some text once awhile (once every
2-4 weeks?).
 
I wasn't going to reply, hoping others would provide reasonable answers,
and for the most part you have been given that.

Of course, there is always one...

For your needs, if you will be doing quite light color use, and you do
not require photographic quality (and if near that will do) then your
answer is probably a color laser printer.

Just like inkjet printers, laser printers are now using the same
wasteful business model, selling you the printer at very low or no
profit while gouging you on the toner and cartridges.

However, the advantage of lasers over inkjet system are numerous for
your applications.

1) generally they have a larger installed yield on purchase (more on
that in a minute) than inkjet models. In other words, the yield from
the installed toner cartridges is more than the yield from an inkjet
cartridge provided on purchase of your printer.

2) Toner and the cartridges for laser printers usually last a very long
time without the image degrading due to age. Some inkjet printers will
literally stop working once a cartridge gets to a certain age regardless
of how much ink is left, because the manufacturer tries to protect the
heads from "old ink". Whether this is legitimate or not, it makes the
ink left unusable.

3) Most inkjet printers use up ink every time they are turned on to
clean the head. They also clean all colors using up color ink even if
you are only printing monochrome black and white images. Laser printers
typically use no toner during their set up process (or very little).

4) Inkjet printers will often not work if any color runs out of ink.
You can usually override that with a laser printer, and print with the
toners that are working. Some inkjets have as many as 12 cartridge,
color laser printers only use 4.

5) Inkjet printers today use a estimation system for determining when
the cartridge should be "empty" (ink monitoring). They are inaccurate
and moreso if you have a clogged head and need to clean it. You can
actually "use up" a whole cartridge trying to unclog the head, and
though no ink may have left the printer, the cartridge will still read
as empty. Often once that estimate is assumed, the printer won't print
until you replace the cartridge, or if the printer allows you to
override it, you risk damaging the head with thermal type inkjet head
should it run out of ink. Some laser printers do monitor toner levels
and warn you if they run low, but you can almost always override that
warning, and it will not dame the printer to run the toner cartridge out.

6) Laser printers work fine with standard bond paper, offering somewhat
better results with "color laser" papers, which still are much cheaper
than using inkjet specific coated papers. Most color inkjet output is
lower quality on regular bond paper. Depending upon the ink used, it
may also not be waterproof or may fade easily with sun or ozone
exposure. Laser toners are waterproof and tend to be very light resistant.

7) Inkjet printers are environmentally sensitive. They tend to clog in
dry climates. They do require some exercise to keep from clogging.
Laser printers tend to sit for a long period without issue developing.

8) Most laser toner cartridges can be refilled, although some models
will run more slowly on refill due to a chip being "blown". Many inkjet
printer cartridges are difficult to refill, and you may require a
special resetter to reset the ink monitor chip for the printer to
recognize the ink.

9) Color laser printers have become as tiny as inkjet and there are all
in one units color laser versions now, also. However, be careful,
usually these very small models have very small toner cartridges which
are costly to replace.

10) All desktop inkjet printers dump ink into a set of pads at their
base during cleaning cycles. If these pads are deemed as "full" which
often is not the case, the printer will usually lock up and no longer
work. Some allow a reset procedure, but many do not anymore. If the
ink does get too great, it will begin to leak out of the printer bottom.
With laser printers usually the excess toner on the drum is either
recycled and reused or is stored in a box or the cartridge in a waste
toner area. You may have to empty the waste toner box, or replace it if
it has a microchip interface, but you won't have to dump the printer.
With some inkjet the pads can be replaced by a service bureau, but the
cost is usually almost that of a new printer.

11) If you will have light use, and not heavy coverage per sheet, if you
play it right, you can buy a color laser printer which has larger full
cartridges which may last you the life of your need of the printer, so
you never have to buy more cartridges or refill them. To get your best
value, you need to do your research and perhaps even contact the
manufacturer. As one example, three HP color laser printers with pricing
differences of $25-$75 per step up offered half full cartridges on the
first step (and no ethernet and a lower duty cycle for the printer).
For $25-35 more the next step up offered an extra tray, ethernet
communications, double the service duty and twice the toner per
cartridge, supplying about 3000 prints at 5% coverage per color as
opposed to 1500 prints.

The next step up provided a much more robust machine, which ran faster
and has still extra features, and for $100 more than the lowest model,
offered another 3000-4000 copies at 5% per color with the provided toner
cartridges. The exact toner cartridges provided with the printer (with
the same amount of toner) run about $200 each to replace (or $800). The
printer with the full cartridges was under $350.

So, what you want is a light to medium duty printer, with the largest
most filled cartridges you can find installed with the printer, or a
printer with very reasonably priced toner refills (a few models allow
you to refill the printer numerous times before you have to replace the
printer cartridges or drums).

If you navigate yourself to my blog (shown below) I have a while article
on this issue.

Art


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Arthur said:
I wasn't going to reply, hoping others would provide reasonable answers,
and for the most part you have been given that.

Excellent reply -- lots of details. Thanks much.
 
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