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I recently ordered a standard Dell Dimension 8300 desktop and have
since received notification from the company that they are required to
change the current desktop order due to a supply issue being faced.
In their words, "the replacement processor will have the same clock
speed but with less cache." To compensate the inconvenience caused, I
was offered a free upgrade to 128MB memory key. As I have limited
knowledge of computer hardware, can anyone explain to me in lay term
what this means? Will I be disadvantaged? This was all the
information they gave me and I wonder if I am missing something ...
what questions should I ask them?
 
Joline said:
I recently ordered a standard Dell Dimension 8300 desktop and have
since received notification from the company that they are required to
change the current desktop order due to a supply issue being faced.
In their words, "the replacement processor will have the same clock
speed but with less cache." To compensate the inconvenience caused, I
was offered a free upgrade to 128MB memory key. As I have limited
knowledge of computer hardware, can anyone explain to me in lay term
what this means? Will I be disadvantaged? This was all the
information they gave me and I wonder if I am missing something ...
what questions should I ask them?

If you consider having your computer run more slowly bad then, yes, you will
be disadvantaged. There is a real reason that higher-performance processors
lay on more and more internal cache with each redesign. One look at the P4
"extreme edition" process which even adds 2mB of L3 cache on top of the
regular L1 and L2 should convince you of that. Personally, I would not
accept a lesser processor than what they advertised and I ordered -- "supply
issue" or not. Having supplies change unpredictably is just part of doing
business.
 
" I recently ordered a standard Dell Dimension 8300 desktop and have since
received notification from the company that they are required to change the
current desktop order due to a supply issue being faced. In their words,
"the replacement processor will have the same clock speed but with less
cache." To compensate the inconvenience caused, I was offered a free
upgrade to 128MB memory key. As I have limited knowledge of computer
hardware, can anyone explain to me in lay term what this means? Will I be
disadvantaged? This was all the information they gave me and I wonder if I
am missing something ... what questions should I ask them? "


According to the specs at
http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/products/model_dimen_dimen_8300.htm , you
should be getting an 800Mhz FSB Intel Pentium 4 with a clock speed of
between 3.0Ghz and 3.2Ghz and an L2 (Level 2) cache of 512K. I can't see
how they are giving you a processor with a similar clock speed and a 256K L2
cache, because I'm sure that none exist.

It could be that your original order was for a processor with a 1024K (1MB)
L2 cache, and they are offering you one with a 512K L2 cache instead. Maybe
they have already changed it on the Dell website for future orders.

If you can look up your order and state the full details of the system you
are supposed to be getting, and the exact details of what they are offering
you, then it might be easier to understand.

Anyway, it seems that they are offering you a 128MB USB memory key as an
upgrade from a 64MB USB memory key. On the customization section for
on-line orders of the Dell Dimension 8300, a 64MB USB memory key will cost
you an extra $9, and the 128MB version will cost you $29. So basically they
are giving you $20 for a processor which suffers having half the cache. If
you were to use your system for anything intensive, such as video editing,
encoding etc, then you will suffer a small drop in performance. You may
have use for an extra 64MB on your USB key, but I would be pissed at Dell if
they offered me that deal.

If I was in your shoes, I would call them one last time, asking if they
would stick to the original spec of the order. If they refused, tell them
to halt your order until they receive your letter of official complaint.
Tell them that you would suffer a loss of performance in the
processor-intensive tasks which this PC has been purchased for, and that the
*X* cache was a considerable factor in your choice of system. If they can't
supply you with your original order, then they should upgrade your processor
to one with a faster clock speed, or to an Extreme Edition of your original
clock speed. If that can not be done, then they should increase their offer
in other ways.

You'll never get an Extreme Edition processor out of them, but you are
legally entitled to withdraw from your contract if they can not supply your
order. Dell are scared, and their offer is pathetic.
 
I recently ordered a standard Dell Dimension 8300 desktop and have
since received notification from the company that they are required to
change the current desktop order due to a supply issue being faced.
In their words, "the replacement processor will have the same clock
speed but with less cache." To compensate the inconvenience caused, I
was offered a free upgrade to 128MB memory key. As I have limited
knowledge of computer hardware, can anyone explain to me in lay term
what this means? Will I be disadvantaged? This was all the
information they gave me and I wonder if I am missing something ...
what questions should I ask them?

I'm not up to date with Dell's timeline for CPUs, but here's what I
suspect:

Dell has switched to Prescott core for their P4, at least on some models.
The Prescott is hotter running and slower per MHz. You are, believe it or
not, actually getting a FASTER system if you accept their substitution.

HOWEVER, you need to confirm that they're not trying to pawn off a Celeron
on you, contact them and be sure it's not a Celeron.
 
They are probably giving you a Celeron processor instead of a P4 and the
Celeron is MUCH slowwwer. I would refuse the change. (The Celeron is
inherently slower to process data and contains just 128kb of L2 Cache,
instead of the P4's 512kb of L2 cache.)
 
Thanks to everyone for their advice and suggestions. Alas I hadn't
followed up these responses before confirming my order in its current
configuration - that is, a Northwood processor from Intel with 512KB
cache (instead of a Prescott processor 1MB cache per initial order).
Today I have reviewed comments not only from this forum but from
others and noted the dissatisfaction with Dell is widespread.
However, rather than accepting a 128MB USB memory key at $99 to
compensate the reduced cache capacity, which of course serves no
purpose (probably could get it cheaper elsewhere), I requested an
increase in memory from 512MB to 1GB, which I had assumed would
compensate for the loss in cache capacity. Dell "graciously" approved
the request at no extra cost. At the time, their custom configuration
web page offered an increase to 1GB RAM for an additional $250
(approx.). I have since revisited that web page (several days later)
and now the standard configuration for Dimension 8300 is 512MB cache
and 1GB RAM. The desktop is still an Intel P4, not a Celeron. It is
unfortunate for those who are not computer hardware savy to be mislead
that 128MB memory key would suffice and then resigning themselves to a
poor deal without further questions. Even I wonder if I had made a
right choice as I am not well versed on the difference between
Prescott and Northwood and whether having the same clock speed and an
increase in RAM make a difference. I would be interested to hear your
comments on that. I have also noted in another forum a suggestion to
wait a couple of months until they receive a further supply of
Prescott 1MB cache. What then? Do I then order a replacement of the
cache component and pay extra? It is not very comforting to know that
Dell will not honour the initial purchase or even offer the
replacement cache when the supply do eventually come in ...

Cheers

Joline
 
On 5 Mar 2004 15:49:56 -0800, (e-mail address removed) (Joline) wrote:

Even I wonder if I had made a
right choice as I am not well versed on the difference between
Prescott and Northwood and whether having the same clock speed and an
increase in RAM make a difference.

You've been misled, the Prescott is inferior (performance and heatwise) to
the same MHz speed Northwood. The cache doesn't make up for the fact
that the Prescott pipeline is so long.

The Northwood is faster, the additional system memory you received is just
icing on the cake, it's faster without that extra memory.
 
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