S
Sai Kit Tong
I posted for help on legacy code interface 2 days ago. Probably I didn't
make it clear in my original mail. I got a couple of answers but none of
them address my issues directly (See attached response). My first reply
directed me to source code migration but I didn't have the source code. The
second reply mentioned about .NET interoperability (PInvoke I think) but I
MENTIONED THAT I COULDN'T FIND ANY DOCUMENTATION FROM MSDN LIBRARY BASED ON
..NET INTEROPERABILITY ON ADDRESSING ISSUES SUCH AS LIFE CYCLE MANAGMENT,
GARBAGE COLLECTION, EXCEPTION HANDLING (exception can be throw from native
or managed code - later for callback), AND RETAINING OF OBJECT ORIENTED
IMPLEMENTATION (ONE-TO-ONE MAPPINIG) AS WELL AS THREADING (NATIVE CODE
THREADS).
I really have been struggling to find .NET development answers from MSDN
library. I have been using MSDN library for my previous ATL, MFC, C/C++
developer but never face this level of frustrations. Most of the articles
and references only provide simple examples without dealing with practical
problems. As mentioned in my first mail, all of the practical issues listed
above for native code interface have been clearly discussed in the book
"JAVA NATIVE INTERFACE", but nothing on that details were covered in MSDN
library.
So far, I have a feeling that Java JNI (at least on documentation) allows a
better intergration with legacy basic C/C++ library (.dll). For my case, I
have
- No source code available
- Only header file (C++ class declarations or C function signatures)
- basic C/C++ dll (not COM .dll)
I still have the hope that somebody could point me to the right direction to
handle any practical issues for native legacy library interface within .NET
framework.
Thanks.
=============================================================
Hi Sai,
Yes, Wrapper is based on source code level.
I think you should use the .Net interop to consume the unmanaged .dll.
If you dlls are component, you can refer to the COM interop.
There are many articles referring to the interop in MSDN.
You can search interop keyword in MSDN.
Best regards,
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.
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| From: "Sai Kit Tong" <[email protected]>
| References: <#[email protected]>
<Ofu$1#[email protected]>
| Subject: Re: legacy code interface: Java JNI vs .NET interoperability
| Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:23:04 -0500
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| Thanks for the reply. I went back to MSDN and there is a chapter on
Managed
| C++ Migration Guide talking about C++ Wrapper. However, I am confused by
| that article. The description in that article seems to focusing on
wrapping
| around C++ class that you already have "SOURCE CODE". I am looking into
| interfacing with legacy C/C++ code without the source - I only have the
| class header or the function signature, and I couldn't recompile the
legacy
| code/library. I looked through the PInvoke services prior to submitting my
| first mail. As I mentioned, I couldn't find article on the PInvoke service
| addressing life cycle managment, garbage collection, exception handling
| (native/managed code responsibility) and retaining of object oriented
| implementation (one-to-one mapping) and threading.
|
| Might be I misunderstand the actual articles that you are referring. Could
| you get me the direct links to those articles. Thanks in advance again.
|
| "Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote
| in message | > Sai,
| >
| > Personally, I feel that the interop picture in .NET is way better
than
| > in Java (on the windows platform, that is). Is all of your code in
C/C++?
| > Did you export all of your code through functions, or are they in
| libraries
| > of C++ objects? If they are all in objects, then you will have to
create
| > some managed wrappers, in which case, the MSDN documentation is your
best
| > bet. There are a number of articles in there on how to wrap your native
| C++
| > objects in managed code (the easiest being to aggregate the code, using
| the
| > "__nogc" type declaration).
| >
| > Hope this helps.
| >
| >
| > --
| > - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
| > - (e-mail address removed)
| >
| > | > > Hi,
| > >
| > > I am developing a new application running on Windows platform that
needs
| > to
| > > interface with existing legacy code - written in basic C / C++. I am
| > trying
| > > to evaluate Java vs C# implementations. Originally, I have the
| impression
| > > that C# should be a clear winner.
| > >
| > > I started with Java and using the guideline from the book "Java Native
| > > Interface". Though complex, the book provide details of the practical
| > > implementation and potential pitfalls for poor implementation.
| > Particularly,
| > > it provides a clear picture on life cycle managment, garbage
collection,
| > > exception handling (responsibility) and retaining of object oriented
| > > implementation (one-to-one mapping). However, when I switched my focus
| on
| > > C#, I had difficult in finding good literature and examples for
handling
| > > those issues. I checked Chapter 1 of "COM and .NET Interoperability"
and
| > > Chapter 15/16 of "Essential Guide to Managed Extensions for C++".
| Hence,
| > > that makes me lean on the Java implementation that the C#
| implementation -
| > > based on the fact that I know what I will get in details. Did I miss
any
| > > information critical? Could anyone point me to better article in this
| > > particular aspect?
| > >
| > > Thanks in advance.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|
make it clear in my original mail. I got a couple of answers but none of
them address my issues directly (See attached response). My first reply
directed me to source code migration but I didn't have the source code. The
second reply mentioned about .NET interoperability (PInvoke I think) but I
MENTIONED THAT I COULDN'T FIND ANY DOCUMENTATION FROM MSDN LIBRARY BASED ON
..NET INTEROPERABILITY ON ADDRESSING ISSUES SUCH AS LIFE CYCLE MANAGMENT,
GARBAGE COLLECTION, EXCEPTION HANDLING (exception can be throw from native
or managed code - later for callback), AND RETAINING OF OBJECT ORIENTED
IMPLEMENTATION (ONE-TO-ONE MAPPINIG) AS WELL AS THREADING (NATIVE CODE
THREADS).
I really have been struggling to find .NET development answers from MSDN
library. I have been using MSDN library for my previous ATL, MFC, C/C++
developer but never face this level of frustrations. Most of the articles
and references only provide simple examples without dealing with practical
problems. As mentioned in my first mail, all of the practical issues listed
above for native code interface have been clearly discussed in the book
"JAVA NATIVE INTERFACE", but nothing on that details were covered in MSDN
library.
So far, I have a feeling that Java JNI (at least on documentation) allows a
better intergration with legacy basic C/C++ library (.dll). For my case, I
have
- No source code available
- Only header file (C++ class declarations or C function signatures)
- basic C/C++ dll (not COM .dll)
I still have the hope that somebody could point me to the right direction to
handle any practical issues for native legacy library interface within .NET
framework.
Thanks.
=============================================================
Hi Sai,
Yes, Wrapper is based on source code level.
I think you should use the .Net interop to consume the unmanaged .dll.
If you dlls are component, you can refer to the COM interop.
There are many articles referring to the interop in MSDN.
You can search interop keyword in MSDN.
Best regards,
Jeffrey Tan
Microsoft Online Partner Support
Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
This posting is provided "as is" with no warranties and confers no rights.
--------------------
| From: "Sai Kit Tong" <[email protected]>
| References: <#[email protected]>
<Ofu$1#[email protected]>
| Subject: Re: legacy code interface: Java JNI vs .NET interoperability
| Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 09:23:04 -0500
| Lines: 76
| X-Priority: 3
| X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
| X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
| X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
| Message-ID: <[email protected]>
| Newsgroups: microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp
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| X-Tomcat-NG: microsoft.public.dotnet.languages.csharp
|
| Thanks for the reply. I went back to MSDN and there is a chapter on
Managed
| C++ Migration Guide talking about C++ Wrapper. However, I am confused by
| that article. The description in that article seems to focusing on
wrapping
| around C++ class that you already have "SOURCE CODE". I am looking into
| interfacing with legacy C/C++ code without the source - I only have the
| class header or the function signature, and I couldn't recompile the
legacy
| code/library. I looked through the PInvoke services prior to submitting my
| first mail. As I mentioned, I couldn't find article on the PInvoke service
| addressing life cycle managment, garbage collection, exception handling
| (native/managed code responsibility) and retaining of object oriented
| implementation (one-to-one mapping) and threading.
|
| Might be I misunderstand the actual articles that you are referring. Could
| you get me the direct links to those articles. Thanks in advance again.
|
| "Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]" <[email protected]>
wrote
| in message | > Sai,
| >
| > Personally, I feel that the interop picture in .NET is way better
than
| > in Java (on the windows platform, that is). Is all of your code in
C/C++?
| > Did you export all of your code through functions, or are they in
| libraries
| > of C++ objects? If they are all in objects, then you will have to
create
| > some managed wrappers, in which case, the MSDN documentation is your
best
| > bet. There are a number of articles in there on how to wrap your native
| C++
| > objects in managed code (the easiest being to aggregate the code, using
| the
| > "__nogc" type declaration).
| >
| > Hope this helps.
| >
| >
| > --
| > - Nicholas Paldino [.NET/C# MVP]
| > - (e-mail address removed)
| >
| > | > > Hi,
| > >
| > > I am developing a new application running on Windows platform that
needs
| > to
| > > interface with existing legacy code - written in basic C / C++. I am
| > trying
| > > to evaluate Java vs C# implementations. Originally, I have the
| impression
| > > that C# should be a clear winner.
| > >
| > > I started with Java and using the guideline from the book "Java Native
| > > Interface". Though complex, the book provide details of the practical
| > > implementation and potential pitfalls for poor implementation.
| > Particularly,
| > > it provides a clear picture on life cycle managment, garbage
collection,
| > > exception handling (responsibility) and retaining of object oriented
| > > implementation (one-to-one mapping). However, when I switched my focus
| on
| > > C#, I had difficult in finding good literature and examples for
handling
| > > those issues. I checked Chapter 1 of "COM and .NET Interoperability"
and
| > > Chapter 15/16 of "Essential Guide to Managed Extensions for C++".
| Hence,
| > > that makes me lean on the Java implementation that the C#
| implementation -
| > > based on the fact that I know what I will get in details. Did I miss
any
| > > information critical? Could anyone point me to better article in this
| > > particular aspect?
| > >
| > > Thanks in advance.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|