Leaking Motherboard Capacitors

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Greetings. Just read an article that states Abit is facing a class
action suit for delivering motherboards with capacitors that may fail.
Does anyone know if the MSI Neo series is affected?

Thanks.
 
Mooreslaw said:
Greetings. Just read an article that states Abit is facing a class
action suit for delivering motherboards with capacitors that may fail.
Does anyone know if the MSI Neo series is affected?

Thanks.


I think the problem got announced 2 years ago (and was already a 1 or 2
year old problem by then). I think Abit was the only one that made a
public announcement that they were replacing the bad capacitors while
all the other manufacturers (who had used the bad capacitors) were
denying culpability. Here was a case of espionage that only stole half
the formula for the electrolyte.

http://snipurl.com/reed_elec_caps
http://www.niccomp.com/taiwanlowesr.htm
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Feb/bch20030206018529.htm

Guess you'll have to inspect your mobo yourself to see if you have any
leaking or bulging capacitors. It's likely MSI won't admit to anything
and will only repair the mobo if it is under warranty (Abit extended
their warranties by 2 years for this problem but I don't know about
MSI).
 
I don't know about the Neo series, but I just replaced a bunch(7)of
early K7 nforce motherboards from MSI.

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From: Mooreslaw [mailto:[email protected]]
Posted At: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:52 AM
Posted To: alt.comp.hardware
Conversation: Leaking Motherboard Capacitors
Subject: Leaking Motherboard Capacitors


Greetings. Just read an article that states Abit is facing a class
action suit for delivering motherboards with capacitors that may fail.
Does anyone know if the MSI Neo series is affected?

Thanks.
 
I think the problem got announced 2 years ago (and was already a 1 or 2
year old problem by then).

I think we are heading for a fresh wave of 'bad cap
motherboards'.

Heath ducts, water cooling, all nice tricks. But next to cooling
chips, they raise the overall temperature insite a PC.

I think I can predict the consequences :-)
 
Greetings. Just read an article that states Abit is facing a class
action suit for delivering motherboards with capacitors that may fail.
Does anyone know if the MSI Neo series is affected?

Thanks.


There are lists of capacitors considered suspect, check your
board's caps against those. Generally, no, any more recent
board isn't using those "potentially" defective caps. That
certainly doesn't mean a board isn't going to have a cap
problem due to a single defect or a poor design, but for the
most part the faulty caps have not been used in the past
couple years.
 
I don't know about the Neo series, but I just replaced a bunch(7)of
early K7 nforce motherboards from MSI.



What model and lot # capacitors?
That info might be helpful to predict failures on more than
just MSI boards, but additionally, some with same MSI board
might not have same caps. Occasionally I do see different
revisions of same board that have different caps, it's not
all that uncommon.
 
What model and lot # capacitors?
That info might be helpful to predict failures on more than
just MSI boards, but additionally, some with same MSI board
might not have same caps. Occasionally I do see different
revisions of same board that have different caps, it's not
all that uncommon.

Im kind of surprised they were still using them in nforce boards.
I remember reading about it ages ago.

Kind of feel bad about ABIT getting socked since they did admit to it
which others didnt seem to want to do and were always one of the
easiest companies to deal with in regards to getting an RMA. I know
cause Ive done my board and a neigbors. Should have done my ancient
Intel board too which probably did have bad caps. That was the first
abit board I had that went flakey and caused me to switch to Asus
which went flakey and then I switched back to Abit which went flakey
and I went to ASUS again.

Now Im with Chaintech.

Ive read a thing at XBIT labs --- I was wondering why there were so
few nforce3 boards around when I was looking recently and Xbit labs
had an article claiming the nforce3 chipset was so flakey and not up
to the performance of VIA some makers decided to skip using it and
used the VIA chipsets instead which you see a lot more of.
Then of course I read ABIT or ASUS is going to skip VIA for now in
regards to the PCI express boards cause its not as "efficient"
whatever that means.

And yet Anandtech chose the nforce3 MSI as best board. Its all very
confusing.
 
On Fri, 21 Jan 2005 13:52:18 GMT, Bob Horvath wrote:

FWIW, I had a FIC AZ11 board with bad capacitors.
 
Im kind of surprised they were still using them in nforce boards.
I remember reading about it ages ago.

They may not have been... it seems the "defective"
capacitors were just plain instable, simply hooking them up
to a steady voltage like a battery would make them pop.
Then there were likely others that were just so marginal
that they weren't really suited for the circuits, or the
overall board design was poor in conjunction with marginal
and/or too few caps, and/or overclocking, and/or high
ambient temps plus poor case ventilation. Simply
overclocking like there's no tomorrow can vent a
non-defective cap.

Generally MSI has used fairly good caps. IIRC, Rubycon,
Nichicon, Teapo. Possibly some Hermei (sp?) there were
questionable but I'm unsure now if I saw them on MSI or some
other board.

Kind of feel bad about ABIT getting socked since they did admit to it
which others didnt seem to want to do and were always one of the
easiest companies to deal with in regards to getting an RMA. I know
cause Ive done my board and a neigbors. Should have done my ancient
Intel board too which probably did have bad caps. That was the first
abit board I had that went flakey and caused me to switch to Asus
which went flakey and then I switched back to Abit which went flakey
and I went to ASUS again.

I can't recall all Intel boards but many of the more popular
had pretty good caps. I remember their LX & BX boards with
large 12.5 dia. Nichicon were overengineered more than
anyone else's designs at the time. I probably have an old
Intel 440LX board that'd work fine if i cared to use it, and
would probably keep working fine for the next decade. I'm
still of the opinion that boards sold in the past ~3 years
will not have near the lifespan of their predecessors. That
is, those that didn't have defective caps.
Now Im with Chaintech.

Ive read a thing at XBIT labs --- I was wondering why there were so
few nforce3 boards around when I was looking recently and Xbit labs
had an article claiming the nforce3 chipset was so flakey and not up
to the performance of VIA some makers decided to skip using it and
used the VIA chipsets instead which you see a lot more of.
Then of course I read ABIT or ASUS is going to skip VIA for now in
regards to the PCI express boards cause its not as "efficient"
whatever that means.

And yet Anandtech chose the nforce3 MSI as best board. Its all very
confusing.

I feel like PCI Express was a long time in coming. I don't
mind Via chipset boards but it seems like their 32bit /
33Mhz PCI bus performance is still a little weak compared to
the Intel, nForce1/2, and Sis alternatives. Although I
haven't had IDE corruption or anything like that, I still
find need to tinker with PCI latency more often on Via
boards. Ultimately I think it's just going to take more
time for (any) new platform's bios and drivers to be
tweaked. Via or nForce, havent' made up my mind about them.
I'd probably pick based on price, board design and features
before one chipset over the other. I never did care much
whether one platform has +- 5% performance difference
though, I figure 5% is pretty trivial in the grand scheme of
things, considering how much performance has increased in
the past half-dozen years.
 
Vanguard said:
I think the problem got announced 2 years ago (and was already a 1 or 2
year old problem by then). I think Abit was the only one that made a
public announcement that they were replacing the bad capacitors while
all the other manufacturers (who had used the bad capacitors) were
denying culpability. Here was a case of espionage that only stole half
the formula for the electrolyte.

http://snipurl.com/reed_elec_caps
http://www.niccomp.com/taiwanlowesr.htm
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Feb/bch20030206018529.htm

Guess you'll have to inspect your mobo yourself to see if you have any
leaking or bulging capacitors. It's likely MSI won't admit to anything
and will only repair the mobo if it is under warranty (Abit extended
their warranties by 2 years for this problem but I don't know about MSI).

Thanks Vanguard. I'm currently running gigabyte MB's on our systems but
am looking at MSI Neos for an extensive upgrade. Just curious about
their quality and leaking caps would ruin my day.
 
Greetings. Just read an article that states Abit is facing a class
action suit for delivering motherboards with capacitors that may fail.
Does anyone know if the MSI Neo series is affected?

Thanks.

My 3 year old EPoX 8KHA+ died in December of multiple burst caps. EPoX
USA's official policy is that it's out of warranty, tough luck.
 
Hey All,

I just recently ran into this. I was given a coupel of computers to
reload the OS. Before this the computers kept locking up
intermittently, getting worse and worse as time passed.
I did not check the caps at first. I tried a few different reloads.

I kept having the same problem as the person who gave them to me.
I did some searching and stumbled across the articles.
I looked on the motherboards and sure enough bad caps.

My next question is this: Has reading this tried to fix them
yourself?
If so was it succesful?

I am interested in reading how some of you fixed this problem.

Thanks.
Jerry
 
spockroc said:
Hey All,

I just recently ran into this. I was given a coupel of computers to
reload the OS. Before this the computers kept locking up
intermittently, getting worse and worse as time passed.
I did not check the caps at first. I tried a few different reloads.

I kept having the same problem as the person who gave them to me.
I did some searching and stumbled across the articles.
I looked on the motherboards and sure enough bad caps.

My next question is this: Has reading this tried to fix them
yourself?
If so was it succesful?

I have removed and replaced failed capacitors. It usually works, but not
every time. The hardest part for me was locating new parts.
 
On 23 Feb 2005 10:16:27 -0500,
Hey All,

I just recently ran into this. I was given a coupel of computers to
reload the OS. Before this the computers kept locking up
intermittently, getting worse and worse as time passed.
I did not check the caps at first. I tried a few different reloads.

I kept having the same problem as the person who gave them to me.
I did some searching and stumbled across the articles.
I looked on the motherboards and sure enough bad caps.

My next question is this: Has reading this tried to fix them
yourself?
If so was it succesful?

Yes I've replaced tons of caps... If/when that is the only
problem, and the board still somewhat-works (only instable
or had just failed to POST) the fix is successful.
 
spockroc said:
Hey All,

I just recently ran into this. I was given a coupel of computers to
reload the OS. Before this the computers kept locking up
intermittently, getting worse and worse as time passed.
I did not check the caps at first. I tried a few different reloads.

I kept having the same problem as the person who gave them to me.
I did some searching and stumbled across the articles.
I looked on the motherboards and sure enough bad caps.

My next question is this: Has reading this tried to fix them
yourself?
If so was it succesful?

I am interested in reading how some of you fixed this problem.
I posted my experience with two mobos some time ago. The
subject was "Encounter with bad caps". Both mobos fired up
on the first try as also did two others later, and all have been
running stably ever since, even though I did not have the exact
replacement parts.
 
How can you tell if caps are bad by looking at them? Or do you check them
with a meter?

At the top they are either leaking or look like they are bulging out,
especially if the have the 'cross' etching on them (the smaller ones dont).
This alone isnt a way to know for sure, because not all bad ones will do
this. There are repairers that will simply take out every one above a
certain size and replace them all.

Head off to www.badcaps.net
 
Ive replaced hundreds of motherboards ,over the last 3 years with
faulty capacitors, all the names Abit ,Gigabyte ,Albatron,MSI,EPOX,
ASUS,Azza etc , the faults are obvious , swollen capacitors, usually
a tan brown leaking substance from top or bottom.any mainboard 2
years old is suspect ( havent seen it on original intel boards)
 
Ive replaced hundreds of motherboards ,over the last 3 years with
faulty capacitors, all the names Abit ,Gigabyte ,Albatron,MSI,EPOX,
ASUS,Azza etc , the faults are obvious , swollen capacitors, usually
a tan brown leaking substance from top or bottom.any mainboard 2
years old is suspect ( havent seen it on original intel boards)


Are you certain they were _faulty_ though?
"failed" and "faulty" can be two different things. A
completely, correclty functional cap put in a circuit with
excessive ripple or at too high a temp or voltage or ??? can
make it fail when it wasn't actually a faulty cap per se.

For example, generally speaking the Intel boards have some
very good caps on them, and more recent Abit and Albatron
too, Asus to a certian extent also and sometimes MSI,
considering mostly those in the supply circuitry that
(would) most commonly fail.

Generally the "faulty" caps depend more on specific brands
during specific eras.
 
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