Latest Apple/PC commercial (off topic)

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Saw the latest Apple/PC commercial the other day and was LOL when
viewing it. (The one about UAC)

Apple sure got that one right. UAC is one of the most intrusive
pieces of crap on Vista.
 
MS did go completely overboard with UAC and I believe that in doing so that
a large chunk of the population will just turn if off completely, thus
defeating why it's there in the first place.

I still have it enabled but it is really annoying that I go to copy some
files that I downloaded off of the web to a folder on my computer and first
I get a popup saying that I need administration rights to do that, I click
okay (or whatever it is that it says) then I get the UAC panel asking me to
confirm. 2 requests from vista just so I can copy some files to a folder
that isn't even a protected system folder but rather a folder that I created
earlier to hold some text files.

It's too bloated and should have been made much simpler, a one click
process, not a two click process.


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The Apple commercial does get UAC on the money, but they have the advantage
of operating a Unix based system which is always going to be more secure,
but not completely without vulnerabilities as they have found out.

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Saw the latest Apple/PC commercial the other day and was LOL when
viewing it. (The one about UAC)

Apple sure got that one right. UAC is one of the most intrusive
pieces of crap on Vista.
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We don't get those adverts in teh UK, but we get the cheesy WOW Vista ones.

I found it on YouTube:


ss.
 
I don't know about more secure. Though we have to consider the source, MSNBC
had an article with Bill Gates and he stated that MAC OSX is finding
security faults almost every day that allows user total control of the
system. He went on to challenge people to try and find one security fault
with Vista a month. This was his response in regards to the Apple vs PC
commericals.
 
Here's the article
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16934083/site/newsweek/page/2/

---Snip----
Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day,
they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally.
I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine. So, yes, it
took us longer, and they had what we were doing, user interface-wise. Let's
be realistic, who came up with [the] file, edit, view, help [menu bar]? Do
you want to go back to the original Mac and think about where those
interface concepts came from
 
Perhaps Jobs stole the marketing idea from a ps3 vs wii pitch:
The MAC character can't say he's cheap, as the wii babe does,
but John Hodgman as PC is about as unsexy as the ps3 female.

Dale White said:
Here's the article
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16934083/site/newsweek/page/2/

---Snip----
Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day,
they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally.
I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine. So, yes, it
took us longer, and they had what we were doing, user interface-wise. Let's
be realistic, who came up with [the] file, edit, view, help [menu bar]? Do
you want to go back to the original Mac and think about where those
interface concepts came from

Dale White said:
I don't know about more secure. Though we have to consider the source,
MSNBC had an article with Bill Gates and he stated that MAC OSX is finding
security faults almost every day that allows user total control of the
system. He went on to challenge people to try and find one security fault
with Vista a month. This was his response in regards to the Apple vs PC
commericals.
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
 
Lakesidezx said:
MS did go completely overboard with UAC and I believe that in doing so
that a large chunk of the population will just turn if off completely,
thus defeating why it's there in the first place.

I still have it enabled but it is really annoying that I go to copy some
files that I downloaded off of the web to a folder on my computer and
first I get a popup saying that I need administration rights to do that, I
click okay (or whatever it is that it says) then I get the UAC panel
asking me to confirm. 2 requests from vista just so I can copy some files
to a folder that isn't even a protected system folder but rather a folder
that I created earlier to hold some text files.
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If you didn't bother to configure folder permissions correctly, how is that
UAC fault?

UAC kicks in only if user does not have enough privileges to perform
particular task. In case of copying a file the only case where you'll see
UAC is insufficient NTFS permissions on target folder.
 
The intended location in Vista for downloading files is to put them in your
Users\UserName\Downloads.

If you follow the program, it will work and the men in black won't come
after you.

It's part of what I keep referring to as a new paradigm. A new OS. We have
to re-think how we interface with the OS. Unlearn old habits. Basically,
what that means in regards to where files are put is that Microsoft has quit
"suggesting" and now they are, to some degree, "requiring".

While it gives the user/PC owner less ability to personalize his PC and use
it how he wants, it also makes security easier to manage.



Dale
 
Does it matter anyway, Vista will be preloaded on every new PC from major PC
brands and Mom and Pop stores. Apple's OS X (Tiger and Leopard) will only be
a choice with Apple manufactured computers. 250 million PC's expected to be
sold this year, probably 1 to 2 million Apple systems, which are technically
PC's that can also run Vista. Who win's? I smell fear. Vista has already
grabbed 67 percent of PC sales since its first week of release.
 
I do not "think about where those interface concepts came from." I know
they came from the Xerox PARC, not Apple. Apple was the first one to bring
them to the masses, but that does not make them the innovator. They just
had less of a market share and less legacy clientele to support. Windows
3.x had a crappy interface because Microsoft knew that if they released a
PARC copy after Apple did, they would get sued by Apple. So they were
preemptive by suing Apple first to get it declared that Apple had adopted
the PARC interface paradigm in a manner that did not preclude any other
company from doing likewise. Then Microsoft was free to release Windows 95
with a good interface. I'm not a Microsoft booster, I just can't stand
zealots who make uneducated claims.

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Dale White said:
Here's the article
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16934083/site/newsweek/page/2/

---Snip----
Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day,
they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over
totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine.
So, yes, it took us longer, and they had what we were doing, user
interface-wise. Let's be realistic, who came up with [the] file, edit,
view, help [menu bar]? Do you want to go back to the original Mac and
think about where those interface concepts came from

Dale White said:
I don't know about more secure. Though we have to consider the source,
MSNBC had an article with Bill Gates and he stated that MAC OSX is
finding security faults almost every day that allows user total control
of the system. He went on to challenge people to try and find one
security fault with Vista a month. This was his response in regards to
the Apple vs PC commericals.
Click to expand...
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If I created the folder (which I did) I would expect vista to give me the
proper permissions to that folder!
 
The whole My Documents thing has been a problem since the begining. What
happens when someone likes to collect and keep a lot of junk (documents,
photos, etc) on their computer. In MS's thinking they should go into the
users folder, but what happens when that drive is full. You either start
backing up and deleting or you put it onto another drive which is no longer
in the username folder.

I keep multiple hard drives for different content so Im really NOT going to
keep my photos or documents where MS wants me to keep them.
 
Just why do you expect that? Windows (any version) never change NTFS
permissions when you create a folder. By default new folder inherits
permissions from parent folder.
 
You can mount any NTFS volume to a folder on another volume. E.G. you can
have dedicated drive for your videos and still access them via "My Videos"
folder under your profile.
 
I relocated all my "My Documents" stuff shortly after install, so it's
disassociated from the system volume. I'm one of those types that collects
a lot of junk.


Alexander Suhovey said:
You can mount any NTFS volume to a folder on another volume. E.G. you can
have dedicated drive for your videos and still access them via "My Videos"
folder under your profile.
Click to expand...
 
Alexander Suhovey said:
You can mount any NTFS volume to a folder on another volume. E.G. you can
have dedicated drive for your videos and still access them via "My Videos"
folder under your profile.
Click to expand...


This is what I used to do with XP. But now with these new relocatable user
shell folders, I am not sure what I should do, as I want more than just
those default folders, and I don't want to make partitions for each one
ofcourse. I'd like to be able to make more of them. Junctions Points
maybe?...

ss.
 
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