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Andy Petro
How much more economical is a laser printer for printing
black only versus a Canon 4000 or 4200.
black only versus a Canon 4000 or 4200.
S
Steve Mackie
How much more economical is a laser printer for printing
Typically, an inkjet will yield between 300 and 800 pages per $30 to $60 ink
cartridge and a laser can spit out 3000 to 8000 pages on a $80 to $120 toner
cartridge.
Steve
Typically, an inkjet will yield between 300 and 800 pages per $30 to $60 ink
cartridge and a laser can spit out 3000 to 8000 pages on a $80 to $120 toner
cartridge.
Steve
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Impmon
A lot more economical in the long run. You're talking of 1-2 cents
per page average for laser printer vs 5-8 cents per page ink jet.
Plus it's a lot faster to boot =)
I have a laser printer (a vintage HP 6L) for mostly B&W printing and
saving the color ink jet for color prints.
M
measekite
A great deal more economical. And the clarity is better and will not
run when wet.
run when wet.
M
Monroe
As a side question, much as I suspect the origina poster, I've been
considering the purchase of a relatively inexpensive laser for BW
documents. Of the current crop, any good reliable units with a
quality on par with some of the older HP's? Some of those older HP
units were incredibly durable with consistent quality of output over
the years.
considering the purchase of a relatively inexpensive laser for BW
documents. Of the current crop, any good reliable units with a
quality on par with some of the older HP's? Some of those older HP
units were incredibly durable with consistent quality of output over
the years.
V
Vic Dura
I've been happy with Brother.
S
Steve Mackie
documents. Of the current crop, any good reliable units with a
As with everything in life:
"They don't make 'me like they use to."
I'm running three bullet proof lasers: HP LJ 5L (for the odd print out), HP
LJ 5N (for the high volume printing) and a HP CLJ 4500N (for colour,
obviously). The number one reason I like them? Easily repaired, parts are
plentiful and cheap.
Steve
As with everything in life:
"They don't make 'me like they use to."
I'm running three bullet proof lasers: HP LJ 5L (for the odd print out), HP
LJ 5N (for the high volume printing) and a HP CLJ 4500N (for colour,
obviously). The number one reason I like them? Easily repaired, parts are
plentiful and cheap.
Steve
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Gordon
Steve, where could I get some repair information for my IBM
Infoprint Color 8 Laser printer? It prints very well, and had
given excellent service for years, but lately it has developed a
thermal problem. It gives an error message if it has been in
operation long enough to warm up a bit. If I turn it off and let
it cool down to room temperature it will print about 10 pages
before the error message comes up, again. I can't find any
evidence of overheating or any blocked or stopped up air vents.
Thanks, Gordon
S
Steve Mackie
Steve, where could I get some repair information for my IBM
Is there a HP equivalent of this printer?
Is there a HP equivalent of this printer?
G
Gordon
Don't think so...I guess that's the first step, huh?
I bought this printer several years ago when IBM was closing out
their inventory. It was a discontinued model and I didn't expect
to be able to get it serviced, but the price was so low that I
couldn't pass it up. It has given several years of very good
service, but I guess it is time to lay it to rest and buy
something else.
The thing that bothers me is, I am sure this is a small
problem...like a bad solder joint on one of the circuit
boards...but I have no idea how to chase it down, and if I take
it to a repair place it will likely cost more than the old
printer is worth.
Gordon
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Tony
Gordon said:
Gordon
I don't know this printer at all but most laser printers have a thermister in
the fuser which regulates the fuser temperature, if these fail they can
indicate overtemperature incorrectly. A $5 part (unless you buy it from IBM!).
What is the error message and does it imply a fuser temperature problem?
If it does it may be worth your while trying to source the thermister and
stripping down the fuser, most are reasonably Ok to work on.
Tony
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Richard Steinfeld
Impmon said:
This depends on the individual printer, I think. The two laser printers
I've used at home have actually taken quite a while to warm up; these
have been an HP2/HP3 and two Okidata LED printers.
The LED printers are a cool idea; they use tiny LEDs instead of the
entire laser assembly to create the image on the drum; the technology is
identical except for how the image is formed. Laser printers use a lot
more electricity while running than inkjets do -- this factor is
overlooked a lot. However, I think that the overall difference comes out
minor because the laser typically is much faster and therefore is on a
shorter time. But the laser printer does use heat to fuse the toner into
the paper, so you pay for heating the fuser assembly.
The older Lasers can be very robust and really strong machines, but they
are real electricity hogs and in the case of the HPs that I mentioned,
spew lots of ozone into the room -- so much that I had to have the
window open in order to print. It's very difficult to find a decent
ozone filter for them any more.
One factor that's easy to overlook, too, is that laser/LED printers are
not fussy about paper, and will print nicely on 20# stock. My inkjets
seem to need a more expensive thicker 24# paper.
I have a newer Brother laser printer, too, and this warms up very fast
and is printing about as quickly as my HP inkjet. Compared with the
Xerography-based printers, the cost of running an inkjet with
manufacturer's ink for routine printing is insane.
I'm pleased with the performance of my HP inkjet printers and their
reliability in intermittant use, which I think is an advantage of this
brand (lack of clogs). I'm hoping that with aftermarket ink, their
operating cost will approach that of the Xerography-based printers I've
used.
Richard
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Richard Steinfeld
Gordon said:
For my 2 cents, here goes:
I had a problem like this 14 years ago with one of those huge
two-console Kodak photocopy machines. I was using it heavily to put out
copies of a technical manual for the phone company. The machine would
crap out in exactly the way that you described, but only after 7:00 PM
when the building air conditioning was shut down. I have an electronics
background.
Suspecting a thermal cause, I'd open the machine's covers at intervals
to let the heated air out. It worked like a charm.
I think you've got a thermal. It could be a nasty thing like a hairline
crack in a circuit board trace that goes open-circuit with a small
temperature rise. The cause, too, may be a partially-blocked vent. Like,
with age, paper fibers may have clogged something. Maybe the thermostat
on the fuser is fritzed, allowing the overheat sensor to trip.
Maybe your cat has been building a stash of pencils under the machine to
use during the long winter (I'm an expert in cat psychology too).
Hey, let us know what it was when you fix it; OK?
Richard
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Paul B
Thus spake Andy Petro:
Your questions have been answered but...
My fairly old Epson Stylus Colour 760 inkjet recently refused to print so I
bought a Samsung ML-2251N for about 91UKP delivered. The toner cartridge is
good for ~5000 pages @ 5% & the replacement is ~60UKP that includes the
drum. There are companies that will refill spent cartridges.
The downside of this particular printer is that it is really huge & very
noisy until it returns to standby mode. The only real problem I had was it
took me around 6hrs to get it working off my router. My company has just
bought a few Brother laser printers that are very cheap & tiny - smaller
than many inkjets.
*One think to remember when buying budget lasers is that many are supplied
with so-called "starter" cartridges that contain ~33% toner! Be careful to
take this into account when comparing prices.*
As for use compared to an inkjet, text is sharper & most cheaper lasers come
with 8 - 32MB of RAM. Mine comes with Postscript that I'll probably never
use. It will print on envelopes, transparent film, card etc. If you print
labels regularly, I've read that you should not feed the same sheet through
a laser more than once like I do with an inkjet - you risk getting adhesive
over the transport due to heating. This advice maybe a case of the label
manufacturers trying it on or dependent on model etc, etc.
Most budget lasers can do 12-24 ppm without breaking into a sweat, some like
my Samsung will have an economy setting that uses less toner. It is unlikely
to matter if it ain't used for 6 months - inkjets need to be used far more
regularly & their load is best done it batches. 1st print from standby does
take longer on lasers. I've never been tempted by colour lasers - I don't
like shiny blocks of colour thanks very much.
As for sucking eggs - I apologise in advance
Your questions have been answered but...
My fairly old Epson Stylus Colour 760 inkjet recently refused to print so I
bought a Samsung ML-2251N for about 91UKP delivered. The toner cartridge is
good for ~5000 pages @ 5% & the replacement is ~60UKP that includes the
drum. There are companies that will refill spent cartridges.
The downside of this particular printer is that it is really huge & very
noisy until it returns to standby mode. The only real problem I had was it
took me around 6hrs to get it working off my router. My company has just
bought a few Brother laser printers that are very cheap & tiny - smaller
than many inkjets.
*One think to remember when buying budget lasers is that many are supplied
with so-called "starter" cartridges that contain ~33% toner! Be careful to
take this into account when comparing prices.*
As for use compared to an inkjet, text is sharper & most cheaper lasers come
with 8 - 32MB of RAM. Mine comes with Postscript that I'll probably never
use. It will print on envelopes, transparent film, card etc. If you print
labels regularly, I've read that you should not feed the same sheet through
a laser more than once like I do with an inkjet - you risk getting adhesive
over the transport due to heating. This advice maybe a case of the label
manufacturers trying it on or dependent on model etc, etc.
Most budget lasers can do 12-24 ppm without breaking into a sweat, some like
my Samsung will have an economy setting that uses less toner. It is unlikely
to matter if it ain't used for 6 months - inkjets need to be used far more
regularly & their load is best done it batches. 1st print from standby does
take longer on lasers. I've never been tempted by colour lasers - I don't
like shiny blocks of colour thanks very much.
As for sucking eggs - I apologise in advance
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Arthur Entlich
HI Paul,
I apologize for being behind in my responses to the list.
If you have not already done so, you may wish to correspond with me in
private email regarding your 760 Epson to see if we can get it fixed.
If so interested, email be at:
e-printerhelp(at)mvps(dot)org
(at) = @
(dot) = .
Art
I apologize for being behind in my responses to the list.
If you have not already done so, you may wish to correspond with me in
private email regarding your 760 Epson to see if we can get it fixed.
If so interested, email be at:
e-printerhelp(at)mvps(dot)org
(at) = @
(dot) = .
Art