Laptop Purchase?

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What's the best place for someone based in the UK to buy a laptop? I'd be
looking to spend approx £800 and obviously want the best laptop possible for
my money.
 
www.dell.co.uk or whatever. When they fail Dell's support is excellent
although I've heard bad things about the telephone support as it has
apparently moved from the UK to India. I could be very wrong here.
 
Si said:
What's the best place for someone based in the UK to buy a laptop?
I'd be looking to spend approx £800 and obviously want the best
laptop possible for my money.

Please define "best". Do you mean lightest, fastest, longest battery life,
largest screen, highest resolution etc.? Do you need a DVD rewriter or CD
rewriter as you may have to make trade-offs in other areas to include these?
Do you want software included or will you source that separately? Do you
want wireless LAN connectivity or Bluetooth? Do you want these built in or
added later at extra cost? Are you going to be processing large graphic
images or doing digital video editing? Do you want to play 3D games? Bottom
line - what do you want to do with the laptop? If you have a constrained
budget you can't have it all.

Personally I've always found Dell to offer cracking value for top spec
machines with awesome specs currently at around the £1300 mark and above.
I've bought two Dells in the past and a friend has just bought a stunning
machine from Dell for ~£1300 on my advice. But £800 really isn't much above
basic entry level - assuming you want a CD-RW drive as a minimum there is
very little available below £700 - so you simply cannot have it all at that
price level.

Having said that, another friend bought a very nice Fujitsu-Siemens from
Comet for £700 at Xmas. It had a CD-RW/DVD combi drive and was pretty fast
for all but games playing, as the graphics performance was woeful. But apart
from that, the only nice-to-haves that were missing were DVD+/-RW and
wireless connectivity and wireless could be added for about £15. Oh, and
although the screen was 15" the resolution was a paltry 1024*768. My laptop
has a fabulous 1600*1200 display. But for normal Office apps, surfing,
emailing and even editing photos and video it was well up to the job. Note,
I do all that on a 3 year old laptop with a PIII 900 processor, and while a
bit more speed would be nice, it is far from essential. I have seen an Acer
Travelmate 240 in my local Currys for £700 with a DVD Rewriter! but I have
not found it on their website so I'm not sure how widely available it is.

We don't have crystal balls and can't tell you what will be best for your
needs without knowing what you want to do with the machine. As trade offs
will need to be made you need to decide what is important and what is not.

Try this link to www.pricerunner.com get a feel for what is around for the
money....

http://makeashorterlink.com/?L6A722277

Also have a look at
http://www.technoworld.co.uk/category.asp?selSort=price&category=220. I'm
not a customer but prices do seem competitive on the whole. They have a
Centrino machine for £816 that would be worth a look - see here...
http://www.technoworld.co.uk/productdisplay.asp?ProductID=220-246-2910
 
Tiny Tim said:
Please define "best". Do you mean lightest, fastest, longest battery life,
largest screen, highest resolution etc.?

Large screen + decent CPU.
Do you need a DVD rewriter or CD
rewriter as you may have to make trade-offs in other areas to include
these?

Nope, just a DVD/CD reader.
Do you want software included or will you source that separately?

Preferrably without any software included.
Do you
want wireless LAN connectivity or Bluetooth? Do you want these built in or
added later at extra cost?

I can add these myself.
Are you going to be processing large graphic
images or doing digital video editing? Do you want to play 3D games?

Nah nah nah.
Bottom
line - what do you want to do with the laptop? If you have a constrained
budget you can't have it all.

Yep, I don't want it all. Primarily I want one that can quickly run a lot of
desktop applications simultaneously with a nice display.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?L6A722277

Also have a look at
http://www.technoworld.co.uk/category.asp?selSort=price&category=220. I'm
not a customer but prices do seem competitive on the whole. They have a
Centrino machine for £816 that would be worth a look - see here...
http://www.technoworld.co.uk/productdisplay.asp?ProductID=220-246-2910

Thanks for the info.

BTW What's your opinion on refurbished laptops? Are they worth it? There are
some cracking deals available if I got one of them....
 
Thanks for the info.

BTW What's your opinion on refurbished laptops? Are they worth it?
There are some cracking deals available if I got one of them....

I've never bought a refurb myself, but I guess if the source is reputable
and the warranty sound then I don't see why not. e.g. I'd have no problem
buying from the Dell Outlet if I could find what I wanted. But every time
I've looked there I've found I could get just as good a deal from their
brand new section and be assured I was getting the latest refinements in
components and build quality.

As for your needs to just run lots of desktop apps, quickly, but not play
games or do graphics editing the thing to look for would be 512MB of RAM
rather than 256MB (do not get less than 256MB). I get by very well with a
Dell Inspiron 8000, which is 3 years old this May. Spec is....

Pentium III 900
512MB RAM
30GB 5,400 rpm disk
Nvidia Geforce2go 32MB video
15" 1600*1200 display (This is the most important thing for me. I would
never have a screen with fewer pixels than this!!!)
CD-RW
DVD-R (separate drive)
Windows XP Pro (it came with Win 98 and I've upgraded with no problems at
all)
MS Office 2003 Pro

The machine is perfectly up to the job of running multiple desktop apps at
once and it will cope with video and photo editing but it collapses under
the challenge of playing games. As standard I will typically have the
following running at once...

Digiguide TV Guide
Outlook 2003
Outlook Express
3* IE browser windows for trading stocks (intra-day graphs, real-time
prices, dealing screen)

That's my basic minimum. I can quite happily open another couple of
browsers, plus Word, plus Excel, plus Shareaza and my laptop keeps going
without blinking. Let's face it, you can only type input into one
application at a time, regardless of how many apps are open, and you can
only type so fast. So really processor speed is not much of an issue. More
memory will allow more apps to stay resident rather than being paged to the
pagefile so application switching will be a bit quicker. But again, my
laptop does all I need with a PIII 900! Many people winge about Celeron
processors but a friend's new Celeron 2.4GHz machine wipes the floor with
mine when opening apps - 0.5 seconds to start Word instead of 0.9 seconds.
Big deal - she can't type any quicker than me.

When you say you want a BIG screen do you mean in inches or pixels. For me,
inches are irrelevant. Pixels is what counts, as the more you have, the more
you can see on the screen. I simply couldn't fit my 3 stock trading screens
on a display with fewer than 1600*1200 pixels. On my display I can see them
all at once. For your £800 budget you will easily get a machine capable of
doing everything you need. The big differentiator will be the screen
size/quality/resolution you can get at that price. Dell seems to be the only
manufacturer that truly understands the value of pixels. The only machine I
can find on the market that would make me even consider upgrading would be a
Dell Inspiron 8600 with a 1920*1200 widescreen display - pure heaven :-)

In your position I certainly wouldn't waste extra money to get a 15" display
over a 14" display if the resolution was still only 1024*768. All it will
mean is that the display will look a fraction more grainy as each pixel will
be bigger. My old Dell laptop, handed on to my girlfriend, has a 14"
1024*768 display and that display is just fine at 14". If you think 1024*768
will be enough then have a look at this Dell...

http://commerce.euro.dell.com/dellstore/default.asp?b=43298&s=uktra&sbc=ukdhsftdhpnotebook1&v=d

for £641 including VAT and delivery. And it comes with 512MB RAM and a CD-RW
as standard. You can customise the spec to suit your exact needs - a bigger
display, if you must, more disk space, a P4 instead of a Celeron and hit
your price point. But you won't get more than 1024*768 on this model. Just
watch for the default warranty of 3 years on site as this adds £199+VAT to
the price. If you can live with 1 year RTB then you will get the prices
above.
 
BTW What's your opinion on refurbished laptops? Are they worth it? There
are
some cracking deals available if I got one of them....

Laptops are big "trouble-makers" and are expensive to maintain. Having had
one for 4 years, I wouldn't recommend you buy one second-hand unless it is
dirt-cheap or bought from a friend whom you can trust. People have their
reasons for getting rid of their old laptops and if you have GBP 800 at your
disposal, go for a strong reliable laptop with a long warranty at a company
that will not vanish.

Roy
 
BTW What's your opinion on refurbished laptops? Are they worth it? There are
some cracking deals available if I got one of them....
Me being a cynic, I ask myself why are they refurbished? After all, they
must be reasonably new so what was wrong with them?
An example being a Sony car stereo that came with my new car. It was faulty
and the dealer insisted it went for repair as they did not have any new ones
they could exchange it with. It came back still with the fault. It went
away again and a different very tatty one came back. I used it while they
tried to retrieve mine and it was also faulty. (I did get a new one out of
them eventually after much wrangling!)
My feeling is, that refurbished items are often returned items that had
something wrong with them. Who knows what the fault was and if it was
discovered and repaired properly.
 
Me being a cynic, I ask myself why are they refurbished? After all, they
must be reasonably new so what was wrong with them?

Big problem with secondhand / refurb laptops is the battery.

I would factor in the cost of a new battery, or consider one only if
most of its life is going to be AC connected....

-Rob
 
Try www.rapidpcs.co.uk in Christchurch, Dorset.

They're local to me and absolutely, totally above board - I can vouch
for them 110%.

They recently acquired an Acer laptop with a 17" TFT screen. Absolutely
amazing bit of kit.

No, I don't own shares in the place - I just use them for all my
computer bits and pieces.


Odie
 
Si said:
What's the best place for someone based in the UK to buy a laptop?
I'd be looking to spend approx £800 and obviously want the best
laptop possible for my money.

Here's a thought - a bit more than you were looking to spend but in terms of
bang per buck, quite an interesting deal....

http://www.aldi-stores.co.uk/specials_01_11/offers_nav.htm

To summarise....

Fully loaded 3.06 GHz laptop £999.99
Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor
supporting Hyper-Threading Technology
533MHz FSB, with APC & Smart Power
.. Multi Format DVD Burner
.. DVD R/RW**
.. WIRELESS LAN 11MBit/s
.. NVIDIA GeForce 128MB FX5600
.. 60 GB Hard Disk
.. 24 month manufacturer warranty
.. Carry Bag
.. Huge software package
I understand that aftersales service is very good if there are problems.
 
Here's a thought - a bit more than you were looking to spend but in terms of
bang per buck, quite an interesting deal....

http://www.aldi-stores.co.uk/specials_01_11/offers_nav.htm

To summarise....

Fully loaded 3.06 GHz laptop £999.99
Mobile Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor
supporting Hyper-Threading Technology
533MHz FSB, with APC & Smart Power
. Multi Format DVD Burner
. DVD R/RW**
. WIRELESS LAN 11MBit/s
. NVIDIA GeForce 128MB FX5600
. 60 GB Hard Disk
. 24 month manufacturer warranty
. Carry Bag
. Huge software package
I understand that aftersales service is very good if there are problems.

Jeeeeezus, thats a lot for the money. I paid £700 not much over a year
ago for a PIII 1.1Ghz, 256MB machine with 20Gb HD, but then it was a
Toshiba machine so there is a certain amount of add on for the brand.
Ohh wouldn't mind selling mine and getting one of those.
 
Jeeeeezus, thats a lot for the money. I paid £700 not much over a year
ago for a PIII 1.1Ghz, 256MB machine with 20Gb HD, but then it was a
Toshiba machine so there is a certain amount of add on for the brand.
Ohh wouldn't mind selling mine and getting one of those.

I`ve just had their flyer - an A3 broadsheet devoted to this laptop.
The specification is certainly impressive but for a laugh you must read the
terms of the insurance/warranty - seems they couldn`t afford a translator
with a bit of legal experience. And beware - but I suspect this part may not
be legal - the contract is subject to Austrian law. So if you have a claim
that goes sour, how do you fancy a trip to Linz, Austria (at your own
expense, of course)?

Good luck, Alan.
 
Rob said:
Big problem with secondhand / refurb laptops is the battery.

I would factor in the cost of a new battery, or consider one only if
most of its life is going to be AC connected....

-Rob

Disagree entirely.

Now on 3rd second user, ex corperate laptop, 2 Tosh, now
Thinkpad T22, extended family have puchased 12 laptops over
4yrs, all have been Tosh, Dell, IBM, all bought from local guy.

None have had battery probs, all upgraded memory to 258.
No dead pixals and virtually unmarked.

T22 still has 16months warranty(IBM) left, each cost less than
450ukp. including OS of choice and all accessories.

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Regards

Brian H................

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Brian said:
Disagree entirely.

Now on 3rd second user, ex corperate laptop, 2 Tosh, now
Thinkpad T22, extended family have puchased 12 laptops over
4yrs, all have been Tosh, Dell, IBM, all bought from local guy.

None have had battery probs, all upgraded memory to 258.
No dead pixals and virtually unmarked.

T22 still has 16months warranty(IBM) left, each cost less than
450ukp. including OS of choice and all accessories.

Should read "memory to 256ram"
 
What's the best place for someone based in the UK to buy a laptop? I'd be
looking to spend approx £800 and obviously want the best laptop possible for
my money.

Dell have some good bargains on their outlet at the moment.

cheers,
Pete.
 
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