M
My Name
If I read you right.
You extracted from the iso with something like iso buster.
I'd say just burn the iso.
And to insure that everything is kosher in the CD dept.
Try another autorun CD first like windows.
If I read you right.
You extracted from the iso with something like iso buster.
I'd say just burn the iso.
And to insure that everything is kosher in the CD dept.
Try another autorun CD first like windows.
J
John Corliss
Note: I tried going to the English language forum page at
www.knoppix.net, but it won't load and I've tried several times. My
newsfeed carries no Knoppix groups. Also, I've never used Linux before
so I'm a newbie at this. My apoligies. At any rate, I'm hoping that
some Knoppix user in this group can help me.
I downloaded the Knoppix .iso and extracted the files in it to a
temporary folder on my hard drive. Then I burned the contents of that
temporary folder (but not the folder itself) to a CDR using the "Disc
at once" option in Easy CD Creator. I reset the boot options in my
BIOS so that the boot order is:
CDROM
Floppy
IDE-0
(IDE-0 is the master hard drive on my system apparently, since that
was the original setting.)
In spite of having done this, the computer keeps booting into Windows
off of the hard drive even when the CD is in the DVD drive. Putting
the CD in the drive after Windows starts will always open the HTML
help file (located on the CD's root folder) in Mozilla. When I look at
the contents of the CD, I only see one executable in the root folder
and it's a batch file that contains the following:
@echo Lade "index.html"...
@start index.html
@exit
The autorun.inf file says this:
[autorun]
open=autorun.bat
icon=cdrom.ico
Other than that, there's nothing in the root folder of the CD that
looks like it will start Knoppix when my computer looks at the CD.
Next, I made another CDR that only contains the contents of the
Knoppix folder that came in the .iso. This also fails to boot.
Can anybody tell me what I've done wrong?
TIA
www.knoppix.net, but it won't load and I've tried several times. My
newsfeed carries no Knoppix groups. Also, I've never used Linux before
so I'm a newbie at this. My apoligies. At any rate, I'm hoping that
some Knoppix user in this group can help me.
I downloaded the Knoppix .iso and extracted the files in it to a
temporary folder on my hard drive. Then I burned the contents of that
temporary folder (but not the folder itself) to a CDR using the "Disc
at once" option in Easy CD Creator. I reset the boot options in my
BIOS so that the boot order is:
CDROM
Floppy
IDE-0
(IDE-0 is the master hard drive on my system apparently, since that
was the original setting.)
In spite of having done this, the computer keeps booting into Windows
off of the hard drive even when the CD is in the DVD drive. Putting
the CD in the drive after Windows starts will always open the HTML
help file (located on the CD's root folder) in Mozilla. When I look at
the contents of the CD, I only see one executable in the root folder
and it's a batch file that contains the following:
@echo Lade "index.html"...
@start index.html
@exit
The autorun.inf file says this:
[autorun]
open=autorun.bat
icon=cdrom.ico
Other than that, there's nothing in the root folder of the CD that
looks like it will start Knoppix when my computer looks at the CD.
Next, I made another CDR that only contains the contents of the
Knoppix folder that came in the .iso. This also fails to boot.
Can anybody tell me what I've done wrong?
TIA
A
Andreas Perfora’tus [Stu]
Hi John.
If you downloaded a file called "KNOPPIX_V3.3-2003-11-19-EN.iso" and if you
verified the md5 sum to make sure that the downloaded file is accurate then
all you need to do is burn the .iso to a CD as an "image."
You can do that using pretty much any burning software. I'm not sure what
software you're using, but since Nero seems to be fairly popular I'll walk
you through that. If you are using Roxio, or something similar, the
procedure is basically the same.
In Nero (using the "Classic" interface) you want to click on "File>Burn
Image" and then browse to and select the "KNOPPIX_V3.3-2003-11-19-EN.iso"
file. Then click "Write" and burn away. You will now have a Bootable CD.
The key is to burn the .iso as an IMAGE. You don't need to extract or file
copy or directory dump anything from the image. Just burn it as an image.
Don't burn the .iso to the CD as a file either. The key word is CD "Image."
If you let me know what burning software you're using I might be able to
give you specific instructions for that software.
HTH.
G
Global Warming
Are you certain that before you burned the iso file, you checked off
that the disk was complete, that is, close this session. There is
supposed to be a place that asks for this info, by default it is not
checked.
J
John Corliss
John said:
I solved the problem. My system, like many others, has Roxio EasyCD
Creator (basic) installed on it. Right clicking on the downloaded .iso
file showed me a menu item that I've never seen before because I've
never downloaded an .iso file. That entry is "Record to CD". When I
put another blank CDR in the burner and selected that menu item, the
rest was automatic and the program made a real nice Knoppix CD. Then,
since my burner is slave and the DVD is the master, I took the
finalized disc (wait until the disc is TOTALLY done, even though it
may says that it is, give it about two minutes after the program says
that the disc has been successfully made) out of the burner, put it in
the DVD and rebooted.
(By the way, I don't understand why the default BIOS boot order
settings aren't CDROM, floppy and hard disc in that order to begin with.)
Hooray! The system started in Knoppix! I am amazed at the number of
neat programs included with this distribution. Even includes
OpenOffice 1.1.
Next move is to create a partition on one of my hard drives and
install Knoppix permanently. I tried a little surfing using the
Mozilla that came with the .iso, and was amazed at how fast pages
load. Damn near instantly! A far cry to the long waits I experience
with the Windows version of ANY browser.
The Knoppix interface is much more attractive than Windows and
seems more intuitive (at least to me, YMMV.) By comparison, Windows ME
seems very clunky, slow and *piss poor*. Guess what the future holds
for my next computer?
Surprise, surprise.
J
John Corliss
I did. However, see my reply to this thread that explains how I wasGlobal said:
able to finally solve my problem with this.
D
DC
John said:
Good for you, John, in getting up and running! }:O)
The english Knoppix site (and related forum) must be having tech
difficulties. I cannot get to it, from here, either. Try later.
Knoppix is based on the Debian distro, so you could probably get most
Knoppix related questions answered there. That said,
alt.os.linux.mandrake, IMO, is by far the best resource for info/help,
*regardless* of which distro you use. It is (and I can't overstate this
enough) the bomb.
Good luck! }:O)
G
Gordon Darling
No, No, No!!
You don't extract anything John. The *.iso is a complete CD image. Don't
know which Win CD burning software you use but there should be an option
in it to burn an image to CD. That's what you need to do.
Good luck and let us know how you get on.
Regards
Gordon
A
Alastair Smeaton
Not 100% sure about this, but would imagine it is because it is easier
to catch viruses by booting from floppy, or even from CD
These days, it would appear that most viruses are worms really, and
the d ays of boot sector viruses on floppies are perhaps almost gone -
but I certainly remember the days when I could not use a floppy at
work unless the IT dept virus checked it on a stand alone,
non-networked PC.
When I need to boot from CD or floppy, I just change it in the bios -
then always change it back
cheers
O
Onno Tasler
John said:
Because of Boot sector viruses, I assume. Also, some PCs (like mine,
grr) tend to hang when there is a non-bootable CD in the drive during
boot-up. (Only when it tries to boot from the drive, that's it)
That is not recommended - read the Knoppix manual. Knoppix is made to be
booted from CD, using it from hard disk without setting it up properly
will make your system quite insecure.
I would advise you to install Mandrake instead - its available for free
and the install procedure is easy. At least I am very happy with it,
except for not finding the LaTeX packages.
bye,
Onno
C
CHarneyCHRIS
Subject: Knoppix question
From: John Corliss (e-mail address removed)#
Date: 11/12/2003 2:10 AM E. Australia Standard Time
Message-id: <[email protected]>
Note: I tried going to the English language forum page at
www.knoppix.net, but it won't load and I've tried several times. My
newsfeed carries no Knoppix groups. Also, I've never used Linux before
so I'm a newbie at this. My apoligies. At any rate, I'm hoping that
some Knoppix user in this group can help me.
I downloaded the Knoppix .iso and extracted the files in it to a
temporary folder on my hard drive. Then I burned the contents of that
temporary folder (but not the folder itself) to a CDR using the "Disc
at once" option in Easy CD Creator. I reset the boot options in my
BIOS so that the boot order is:
CDROM
Floppy
IDE-0
(IDE-0 is the master hard drive on my system apparently, since that
was the original setting.)
In spite of having done this, the computer keeps booting into Windows
off of the hard drive even when the CD is in the DVD drive. Putting
the CD in the drive after Windows starts will always open the HTML
help file (located on the CD's root folder) in Mozilla. When I look at
the contents of the CD, I only see one executable in the root folder
and it's a batch file that contains the following:
@echo Lade "index.html"...
@start index.html
@exit
The autorun.inf file says this:
[autorun]
open=autorun.bat
icon=cdrom.ico
Other than that, there's nothing in the root folder of the CD that
looks like it will start Knoppix when my computer looks at the CD.
Next, I made another CDR that only contains the contents of the
Knoppix folder that came in the .iso. This also fails to boot.
Can anybody tell me what I've done wrong?
TIA
--
Regards from John Corliss
the computer boots into windows because it does not find a bootable cd ,you
should open the iso with your burning software and burt it like that, not from
a folder.
From: John Corliss (e-mail address removed)#
Date: 11/12/2003 2:10 AM E. Australia Standard Time
Message-id: <[email protected]>
Note: I tried going to the English language forum page at
www.knoppix.net, but it won't load and I've tried several times. My
newsfeed carries no Knoppix groups. Also, I've never used Linux before
so I'm a newbie at this. My apoligies. At any rate, I'm hoping that
some Knoppix user in this group can help me.
I downloaded the Knoppix .iso and extracted the files in it to a
temporary folder on my hard drive. Then I burned the contents of that
temporary folder (but not the folder itself) to a CDR using the "Disc
at once" option in Easy CD Creator. I reset the boot options in my
BIOS so that the boot order is:
CDROM
Floppy
IDE-0
(IDE-0 is the master hard drive on my system apparently, since that
was the original setting.)
In spite of having done this, the computer keeps booting into Windows
off of the hard drive even when the CD is in the DVD drive. Putting
the CD in the drive after Windows starts will always open the HTML
help file (located on the CD's root folder) in Mozilla. When I look at
the contents of the CD, I only see one executable in the root folder
and it's a batch file that contains the following:
@echo Lade "index.html"...
@start index.html
@exit
The autorun.inf file says this:
[autorun]
open=autorun.bat
icon=cdrom.ico
Other than that, there's nothing in the root folder of the CD that
looks like it will start Knoppix when my computer looks at the CD.
Next, I made another CDR that only contains the contents of the
Knoppix folder that came in the .iso. This also fails to boot.
Can anybody tell me what I've done wrong?
TIA
--
Regards from John Corliss
the computer boots into windows because it does not find a bootable cd ,you
should open the iso with your burning software and burt it like that, not from
a folder.
B
Bernd Schmitt
You can do this, but I would recommend you a standard distribution forJohn Corliss said:Hooray! The system started in Knoppix! I am amazed at the number of
neat programs included with this distribution. Even includes
OpenOffice 1.1.
Next move is to create a partition on one of my hard drives and
install Knoppix permanently.
installing on your harddisc like Mandrake, SuSE, (Debian) ...
I am sure there are people nearby you who will give you a copy for free,
which is legal...
Welcome on board. Knoppix is the best advertisement for linux...
Ciao,
Bernd
J
John Corliss
Onno said:
Well, I knew there had to be some kind of reason. However, I always
remove CDs before turning off the computer.
Aaaaa.... Do I have to??? 80)>
Thanks, Onno. I'll take your advice when I get around to doing the trick.
P.S. for those interested, here's the LaTeX home page:
http://www.latex-project.org/
J
John Corliss
Gordon said:
Gordon,
In another reply to this thread I explained how I finally solved
the problem. I'd never dealt with CD images before, but now I know how
to work with them.
H
H-Man
John, you might also want to try Suse Linux. Also a great distro with aJohn Corliss said:
really good installer. Both Suse, and Mandrake are geared towards making
Linux easier to use for Windows users. Now that Novell has purchased Suse,
you can hope they'll be around for a while.
HK
J
John Corliss
H-Man said:
Thanks. I'll look into that one too. For those who are interested,
here's the download page for Suse Linux:
http://www.suse.co.uk/uk/private/download/
R
Richard Steven Hack
Not usually a good idea, for system repair reasons. If your OS goes
down, you might not have CD support (although DOS boot disks come with
generic drivers, who knows if they work with your particular CD
drive?). The recommended sequence is floppy first, then CD, then hard
drive.
Yup. Linux comes with tons of stuff you pay extra for with Windows
(or have to search for six months to find with freeware). I don't
know exactly what Knoppix comes with, but I'll bet you'll find several
text editors, a couple databases maybe (MySQL and PostgreSQL,
probably), several media players (XMMS and Xine, probably), several
image manipulators (certainly the GIMP, probably others), a slew of
utilities for managing the system, etc.
I just went to the Knoppix site to see and they say:
900 installed software packages with over 2000 executable user
programs, utilities, and games .
That should keep you busy for a while. It's like discovering a whole
new world of freeware. And there's more where that came from. Check
out www.freshmeat.net.
You'll find differences between Linux and Windows that will confuse
you, but don't sweat it. It's not wrong, just different. The first
time something doesn't work and you have to go to the command line to
fix it is when things will get hairy. OTOH, nowadays a lot of stuff
that used to have to be done from the command line can be done from a
GUI frontend - unless of course your X Window server breaks.
But then that's why you have a live CD - you can simply boot it and
fix the problem with all the tools available (unless the CD drive
doesn't work - then you need a floppy-based Linux fixit distro - check
out Tomsrtbt or BusyBox).
R
Richard Steven Hack
Or he can try this: Knoppix STD 0.1b security tools distribution at
http://www.knoppix-std.org/
From the home page:
Knoppix-STD is a customized distribution of the Knoppix Live Linux CD.
Boot to the CD and you have Knoppix-STD. That would include Linux
kernel 2.4.20, KDE 3.1, incredible hardware detection and hundreds of
applications. Boot without the CD and you return to your original
operating system. Aside from borrowing power, peripherals and some
RAM, Knoppix-STD doesn't touch the host computer.
STD focuses on information security and network management tools. It
is meant to be used by both the novice looking to learn more about
information security and the security professional looking for another
swiss army knife for their tool kit.
The tools are divided into the following categories (see the STD Tools
section for details):
authentication
encryption utilities
firewalls
penetration tools
vulnerability assessment
forensic tools
honeypots
intrusion detection
packet sniffers and assemblers
network utilities
wireless tools
password auditing (crackers)
servers
A Knoppix version devoted to computer security tools. Learning to run
this stuff would make his system even MORE secure than most distros.
O
Onno Tasler
Richard said:
Yeah, with security related stuff - but not with a secure operating
system. The CD is for learning how to secure your PC.
Knoppix has some options set that make sense for a system that is run
directly from a CD for system repair but which are an absolute "no-no"
when using it as a standard OS from harddisk.
bye,
Onno
G
Gonzo
Actually, installing knoppix to you hard drive IS a good idea. Just be
sure to run apt-get afterwards to ensure everything is updated to the
latest version. There are instruction on how to turn your knoppix cd into
a hard drive based install at
http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/HdInstallHowTo
followed by tweaking it at
http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixHdinstallTweakHowTo
Gonzo