keylogger

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Jim Parsons

http://www.blazingtools.com/bpk.html, have a lite freeware version.

With regard to spying, sometimes the knowledge that you can see what your
kids are doing is enough to stop them.

My nephew (13) has recently been discovered downloading hardcore
pornography with kaazaa, no type of blocking software won't stop him, but
if he know's he's being monitored it might stop him until such time as he
know's how to defeat any safeguards i've put in place.

Hope the link helps.
 
Jim said:
http://www.blazingtools.com/bpk.html, have a lite freeware version.

With regard to spying, sometimes the knowledge that you can see what your
kids are doing is enough to stop them.

My nephew (13) has recently been discovered downloading hardcore
pornography with kaazaa, no type of blocking software won't stop him, but
if he know's he's being monitored it might stop him until such time as he
know's how to defeat any safeguards i've put in place.

Hope the link helps.
Jim,

I can't believe you're advocating that people spy on their own children.
and even worse pointing to a program to enable them to do so.

Now if he was downloading pictures of people being killed in warfare,
scantily clad women with automatic weapons, or murder shots I'd be
concerned...

I hate to have to tell you this but what he's doing is NORMAL. In fact
at age 13
nowadays it's a symptom of arrested development....

sad.

Son Of Spy



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Son Of Spy said:
Jim Parsons wrote:
I can't believe you're advocating that people spy on their own children.
and even worse pointing to a program to enable them to do so.

Now if he was downloading pictures of people being killed in warfare,
scantily clad women with automatic weapons, or murder shots I'd be
concerned...

I hate to have to tell you this but what he's doing is NORMAL. In fact
at age 13
nowadays it's a symptom of arrested development....

sad.

Son Of Spy

I don't want to start a war here, but I worry about Internet predators. My
daughter is 15, and at that age she thinks she's invincible and *nothing*
bad will ever happen to her. She did hand out our phone number once
(luckily, it was harmless) but I started logging her activity after that. I
don't do it to spy on her, but rather to spy on the sickos that prowl
through the teenage chat rooms.
 
I don't want to start a war here, but I worry about Internet
predators. My daughter is 15, and at that age she thinks she's
invincible and *nothing* bad will ever happen to her. She did hand
out our phone number once (luckily, it was harmless) but I started
logging her activity after that. I don't do it to spy on her, but
rather to spy on the sickos that prowl through the teenage chat rooms.

Sorry, this was intended as a reply to a previous post on instant
messaging.

With regard to spying i think it depends on the circumstances. My eldest
son has his own computer in his room, yet i do not monitor his activity as
we feel he the maturity to know what is acceptable. I will have a quick
look now and again when i'm using his pc just to see nothing major is
amiss.

My nephew on the other hand lives with his grandparents, who are not
computer literate. He has had little guiding as to what is and isn't
acceptable. He recently showed this by the films we found, that our
opinion were not acceptable for a 13 year old boy.

If it was my son, his pc would be put in the main room of the house so we
could monitor what sites he was visiting. As he does not live with us, we
have taken the step on installing a keylogger, so that he knows if he
visits or downloads something unacceptable he will be found out.

Whatever your view, the software is free and does have some other uses,
especially if you're like me and can't remember sites and passwords you've
used for instance.
 
I-Spy
http://www.webspy.com/downloads/software.asp

Tiny Key Logger
http://home.rochester.rr.com/artcfox/TinyKL/index.html

SC-KeyLog
http://www.soft-central.net/keylog.php

ksLogger
http://www.kellysoftware.com/software/index.asp

|http://www.blazingtools.com/bpk.html, have a lite freeware version.
|
|With regard to spying, sometimes the knowledge that you can see what your
|kids are doing is enough to stop them.
|
|My nephew (13) has recently been discovered downloading hardcore
|pornography with kaazaa, no type of blocking software won't stop him, but
|if he know's he's being monitored it might stop him until such time as he
|know's how to defeat any safeguards i've put in place.
|
|Hope the link helps.
|
|
 
With regard to spying, sometimes the knowledge that you can see what your
kids are doing is enough to stop them.
My nephew (13) has recently been discovered downloading hardcore
pornography with kaazaa, no type of blocking software won't stop him, but
if he know's he's being monitored it might stop him until such time as he
know's how to defeat any safeguards i've put in place.
Hope the link helps.

Okay. It helps IMO if at least someone is willing to ask a "dumb
question". Why bother stopping him ? If he doesn't download on his
computer then he will simply use someone else's.

What exactly do you think will happen to him by looking at "naughty"
pictures ? Do you think that he will grow up into a serial rapist ? By
trying to stop him you almost certainly make the exercise far more
appealing for him. Isn't that the opposite of what you want ?

Regards, John.
 
Son Of Spy said:
Jim,

I can't believe you're advocating that people spy on their own children.
and even worse pointing to a program to enable them to do so.

Now if he was downloading pictures of people being killed in warfare,
scantily clad women with automatic weapons, or murder shots I'd be
concerned...

I hate to have to tell you this but what he's doing is NORMAL. In fact
at age 13
nowadays it's a symptom of arrested development....

sad.

Son Of Spy

Totally agree with you on all counts.

SD
 
I would like to ask a related question.

I have a 10 yo daughter who is computerate enough to surf the net on her own.
But I am afraid for her safety. I don't mind if she would download porn or other
pictures call "inappropriate" (I don't think she would be interested, but even
if she wanted to look at those I would not mind), but I am very concerned about
her safety. Sickos, prowlers, etc.

I do not want to spy on her with a keylogger or such (I'm of the 68 generation,
after all :), but I am too concerned to just let her surf unsupervised. So right
now her computer in her bedroom is not connected to the net, and if she want to
surf she has to come to the room where my wife and me have our computers, and
use one of ours. Which more-or-less ensures that one of us is around.


Now denying her free access to the net won't be tenable much longer. Especially
since her school has a website and she has to do some homework using google and
such (boy, schools have come a long way since my time...). So to make the story
short I feel that I will have to let her surf on her own soon, but I am still
concerned about her safety.

I would like to hear what other parents have do in such cases. Are things like
Netnanny any good? Content advisor? something else?

DAN
 
DAN said:
I would like to ask a related question.

I have a 10 yo daughter who is computerate enough to surf the net on her own.
But I am afraid for her safety. I don't mind if she would download porn or other
pictures call "inappropriate" (I don't think she would be interested, but even
if she wanted to look at those I would not mind), but I am very concerned about
her safety. Sickos, prowlers, etc.

I do not want to spy on her with a keylogger or such (I'm of the 68 generation,
after all :), but I am too concerned to just let her surf unsupervised. So right
now her computer in her bedroom is not connected to the net, and if she want to
surf she has to come to the room where my wife and me have our computers, and
use one of ours. Which more-or-less ensures that one of us is around.


Now denying her free access to the net won't be tenable much longer. Especially
since her school has a website and she has to do some homework using google and
such (boy, schools have come a long way since my time...). So to make the story
short I feel that I will have to let her surf on her own soon, but I am still
concerned about her safety.

I would like to hear what other parents have do in such cases. Are things like
Netnanny any good? Content advisor? something else?

DAN

Although my daughter is now too old for this site(she still visits it
occasionally); several of my friends use this website that offers a free web
browser setup for kids. Prevents all kinds of nasty access. You can also get
a free cdrom sent to you with all kinds of safe stuff for kids. Worthwhile
checking out.http://www.kiddonet.com/knSource/knBrowser.htm.

Their homepage is http://www.kiddonet.com/. I recommend that you peruse it
fully. Chock full of entertainment stuff for kids & highly acclaimed for
'safe' surfing for kids 3-12.

excerpts from Kiddonet.

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I would like to hear what other parents have do in such cases. Are things like
Netnanny any good? Content advisor? something else?
I have a son the same age, and not so long ago we were watching the
evening news on the telly when they showed a piece about some folks
who'd been killed in a terrorist/tribal/religious/etc assault.
There were some rather graphic pictures shown - and my son's first
question was 'Is this real, dad?'

He's used to seeing such images, or approximations thereof, via TV
programs, computer games, comics etc - and in much the same way that I
was when I was his age ( cowboy films, superhero series', boy's own
adventures.... maybe the images weren't so extreme, but we still had
our imagination ).

I told him it was real - and then had to answer some pretty stiff
questions ( why do they do it, why are they allowed to? ), but I could
see he was pretty upset about it. I took it as a good sign, a
recognition that there's a distinct line between fact and fantasy.

So I'm inclined to think that if you have a good relationship with
your children, and you've taken the time to explain that it can
sometimes be a nasty world out there, then you ought to be reasonably
confident that they'll know when something is intrinsically bad.
I doubt that you can stop them looking ( and is that no bad thing? ),
but you can at least give them the skills to make an educated
decision.
It shouldn't be forgotten either that the news is often far more
harrowing than most things kids can find on the net!

My feeling is that you can achieve the best results by supervising
your children early on in their internet experience, and then you have
to let go and hope that you've done a good job.
If it comes to having to use software to spy on them then I feel the
question you have to ask yourself is 'how did it come to this?'.
If the chat programs ( IRC etc ) strike fear into you then why not sit
with them in their first forays and help them to spot the chancers?

I don't think that filters are a wholly bad idea though - I myself use
Proxomitron, which helps to kill a great many less than savoury pop-up
windows, particularly those associated with game cheat sites etc.

I'm currently debating with my son the wisdom of buying a game that
costs £30, and then entering cheats to win the game so that it can be
played and tossed away in a mere few weeks.

Caught him playing 'Age of Empires' a few weeks back - without the
cheats... 'cos it was 'more fun'!

Kids will be kids, and they're as unique as you or I, as is our
relationship with them - and about the only software that can cope
with so intricate an arrangement is that which is installed in the
brain.
Just don't forget to let them have a childhood.

Regards,
 
DAN said:
I would like to ask a related question.

I have a 10 yo daughter who is computerate enough to surf the net on her own.
(snip)

I do not want to spy on her with a keylogger or such (I'm of the 68 generation,
after all :), but I am too concerned to just let her surf unsupervised. So right

www.surfmonkey.com is pretty safe. My younger children have used it.

I would sure like to know if her school has a porn filter on their
internet usage. It is pretty scary how an innocent search can pull up
some of the most ghastly stuff there is, and since a 10YO is probably
going to an elementary school, that seems almost mandatory to me.

I won't let my children on the internet without filtered internet
access. The X-stop porn filter is one of the best out there and is sold
by various places, and there are places where you can add it as the
default but bypass it with a password whenever you need to. And yes,
there is a freeware porn filter out there somewhere, but it's not the
X-stop filter.
 
P.S. NetNanny is *very* easy to get around. Email me for explanation
if you need it.
 
I would like to hear what other parents have do in such cases. Are things like
Netnanny any good? Content advisor? something else?

Why can't you just do what you'd do about boyfriends, sit her down and
explain to her about safe surfing. I'm assuming she has a brain and
knows how to use it...
 
I would like to hear what other parents have do in such cases. Are things
like
Netnanny any good? Content advisor? something else?<

Parents friend.... great program, takes a bit of work to get it configured
to work how you want it, but it filters web content and sets time limits,
multiple accounts.... I love it, I sat my kids down, explained all the rules
I set, no more having to tell them time is up, or waiting for them to
resopond.
 
I would like to ask a related question.
I have a 10 yo daughter who is computerate enough to surf the net on her own.
But I am afraid for her safety. I don't mind if she would download porn or other
pictures

Good. That's a healthy start. Trying to stop someone doing that is
pretty well a pointless exercise IMO. Unless you intend barring her
from accessing any of her friend's computers as well.

It might also help avoid the rush of female posters who are terrified
that anyone, including adults, (husbands ?) might see a picture of a
naked woman.
call "inappropriate" (I don't think she would be interested, but even
if she wanted to look at those I would not mind), but I am very concerned about
her safety. Sickos, prowlers, etc.

Fine. A sensible enough concern if you have a young girl.
I do not want to spy on her with a keylogger

IMO the criticism that many people have, including perhaps some
people here, is the "secrecy" aspect. If you tell children that you
have installed a keylogger then many "objections" would evaporate.

Bye the way, if you have a very "geeky" child who would be smart
enough to circumvent a keylogger then imply that you have installed
one. But don't. He/she will look everywhere for it. Not finding it
they should "keep in line" in case you have hidden it somewhere
they cannot find it. :-)
or such (I'm of the 68 generation,
after all :), but I am too concerned to just let her surf unsupervised. So right
now her computer in her bedroom is not connected to the net, and if she want to
surf she has to come to the room where my wife and me have our computers, and
use one of ours. Which more-or-less ensures that one of us is around.
Now denying her free access to the net won't be tenable much longer. Especially
since her school has a website and she has to do some homework using google and
such (boy, schools have come a long way since my time...). So to make the story
short I feel that I will have to let her surf on her own soon, but I am still
concerned about her safety.
I would like to hear what other parents have do in such cases. Are things like
Netnanny any good? Content advisor? something else?

IMO you could/should consider two approaches. The most important
one being "education". Explain to her that eg. if someone says they
are "12 year old Mary" that they may not be 12 years old. Or Mary.
Or even a female !

Also point out that if anyone wants her phone number that they must
supply theirs first. So that "Dad" can FIRST check things out. The
same would go for any other personal information.

Lastly, IMO the main danger comes from "chat" rooms. Few, if any,
"parental control" programs address this area.

A lot can happen/be said before you become aware of it. Work out how
to disable "chat"clients. Despite fears to the contrary the telephone
system has not (yet) been replaced by the internet. She/he can phone
people (he/she knows) if wanting to chat.

Doing the latter may be as simple as blocking particular "ports" on
your computer with your firewall.

HTH you/others.

Regards, John.

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Wow. Thanks a lot to all for those nice replies.
Lots of information, lots of good ideas. And thoughtful advice.
(with which I pretty much agree for most).

I have my work cut out for me now, to check all those resources. They do look
very promising and a more detailed examination is in order.


Thanks again for the thoughtfulness. I really appreciate it and your time.

I also feel more confident knowing that others went through the same questions,
followed basically the same path as I plan to, and found solutions.

DAN
 
DAN said:
Wow. Thanks a lot to all for those nice replies.
Lots of information, lots of good ideas. And thoughtful advice.
(with which I pretty much agree for most).

I have my work cut out for me now, to check all those resources. They do look
very promising and a more detailed examination is in order.


Thanks again for the thoughtfulness. I really appreciate it and your time.

I also feel more confident knowing that others went through the same questions,
followed basically the same path as I plan to, and found solutions.

DAN
--
The true internet miracle: the same place that was rife with flamewarriors
can the next minute be full of the nicest people.

Some of them in both groups, too. LOL.

Glad we were able to help. Anytime, no problem. Just remember..... the only
STUPID question is the one that goes UNASKED. ;o)
 
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