KAV6

[Jim]

I tried to install KAV6 and used the auto-install. It says remove McAfee
first in the prompt for auto\manual remove. Do I need to remove the MAV
manually? I tried the auto and no luck. Also no email notification from
Kaspersky Labs. "?" Where do I goto now?

 

[Wolf K]

I tried to install KAV6 and used the auto-install. It says remove McAfee
first in the prompt for auto\manual remove. Do I need to remove the MAV
manually? I tried the auto and no luck. Also no email notification from
Kaspersky Labs. "?" Where do I goto now?

I would advise against using any AV program that requires you to remove
another one. It's one thing to run only one AV program at a time; it's
quite another to jettison one in favour of another.

HTH

 

[What's in a Name?]

Jim AKA (e-mail address removed) in alt.comp.anti-virus on
9/7/2006,after much thought,came up with this jewel:

I tried to install KAV6 and used the auto-install. It says remove
McAfee first in the prompt for auto\manual remove. Do I need to
remove the MAV manually? I tried the auto and no luck. Also no email
notification from Kaspersky Labs. "?" Where do I goto now?

Many A Vs will not install with another.

What notification are you waiting for?

Good luck with uninstall!!!

Start here

http://ts.mcafeehelp.com/faq.asp?frames=1&docid=68717&CategoryId=245&cha
t

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[kes]

I would advise against using any AV program that requires you to
remove another one. It's one thing to run only one AV program at a
time; it's quite another to jettison one in favour of another.

Wolf K, your advice is mis-informed and potentially harmful. To let
two AVs running on a PC is asking for trouble. Conflict of real-time
scans is a real issue which can lead to dead-lock between the AVs -
paralysing the PC. Jim, of the two programs, KAV wins hands down. No
contest! Get rid of McAfee any way you can (did it myself after their
pre-installed free-trial period ended) and go with Kav. I remember I
had problems uninstalling McAfee too, that's the sort of 'sticky'
tactics they resort to to maintain their inferior presence. (when you
say 'I tried the auto' you mean Start > Control Panel > Add Remove
software? )

 

[optikl]

Wolf K, your advice is mis-informed and potentially harmful. To let
two AVs running on a PC is asking for trouble. Conflict of real-time
scans is a real issue which can lead to dead-lock between the AVs -
paralysing the PC. Jim, of the two programs, KAV wins hands down. No
contest! Get rid of McAfee any way you can (did it myself after their
pre-installed free-trial period ended) and go with Kav. I remember I
had problems uninstalling McAfee too, that's the sort of 'sticky'
tactics they resort to to maintain their inferior presence. (when you
say 'I tried the auto' you mean Start > Control Panel > Add Remove
software? )

Sounds like *you* don't understand the point he was making. Nowhere
did he suggest or recommend running 2 AV utilities on access. Clearly,
one can have more than 1 utility installed, but not have the services
that facilitate auto start or auto scan enabled for both. It makes
little difference which of the two in this post is "the best".

 

[Wolf K]

Wolf K, your advice is mis-informed and potentially harmful. To let
two AVs running on a PC is asking for trouble. Conflict of real-time
scans is a real issue which can lead to dead-lock between the AVs -
paralysing the PC.

I am well aware that running two AVs at the same is Not A Good Idea.
OTOH, using only one AV is a Bad Idea. No AV program I know of (I read
reviews carefully) catches all viruses. It is foolish to rely on one
alone. I stand by my advice.

Forcing a user to uninstall one AV program in order to install another
one is IMO a BAD idea. If you want to protect foolish users from doing
something stoopid, just have the program refuse to run until the other
one is stopped. Doesn't take much code to detect a running program and
toss up a warning message, now does it? Why haven't the software makers
made this a SOP? Let's not go there - I feel a rant coming on.

Jim, of the two programs, KAV wins hands down. No
contest! Get rid of McAfee any way you can (did it myself after their
pre-installed free-trial period ended) and go with Kav. I remember I
had problems uninstalling McAfee too, that's the sort of 'sticky'
tactics they resort to to maintain their inferior presence. (when you
say 'I tried the auto' you mean Start > Control Panel > Add Remove
software? )

I wouldn't recommend McAfee either, but if it's bundled with your
machine, you should have the choice of keeping it.

 

[Jim]

Excellent post. max.
This link is causing a problem though:
http://ts.mcafeehelp.com/faq.asp?frames=1&docid=68717&CategoryId=245&cha
I want to pack McAfee away for awhile, not dispose of it. After the
classaction lawsuit in Ventura CA, ~9 months of online updates and then
users needed a subscription. Far from perpetual. If I knew for certain that
the Activeshield for McAfee is all that I need it would ok...
I have been using AVG and they were pretty nice to us.

 

[Art]

I am well aware that running two AVs at the same is Not A Good Idea.
OTOH, using only one AV is a Bad Idea. No AV program I know of (I read
reviews carefully) catches all viruses. It is foolish to rely on one
alone. I stand by my advice.

It's bad advice since it precludes the use of some of the best
products. If a person wants to use multiple on-demand av scanners,
he/she is free to use as many command line or DOS scanners (or any
scanners that don't install themselves on Windows). Also, products
such as KAV which don't allow certain competing installable Windows
products, do allow the use of many installable anti-spyware and
anti=Trojan products. Personally, I have AVS, plus several of the
other kinds of scanners I mentioned all cohabitatiing nicely on my
PC.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[What's in a Name?]

Jim AKA (e-mail address removed) in alt.comp.anti-virus on 9/8/2006,after much thought,came up with this jewel:

Excellent post. max.
This link is causing a problem though:
http://ts.mcafeehelp.com/faq.asp?frames=1&docid=68717&CategoryId=245&cha
I want to pack McAfee away for awhile, not dispose of it. After the
classaction lawsuit in Ventura CA, ~9 months of online updates and then
users needed a subscription. Far from perpetual. If I knew for certain that
the Activeshield for McAfee is all that I need it would ok...
I have been using AVG and they were pretty nice to us.

The link got wrapped-sorry
Here it is again(the t at the end was missing)
http://ts.mcafeehelp.com/faq.asp?frames=1&docid=68717&CategoryId=245&chat

I just installed the AOL virus scanner (without installing the
toolbar option). It uses the Kaspersky engine and defs.
So far so good. Using spyware blaster,weekly scans with spybot S+D and
AdAware,Thunderbird for mail,Firefox set as default browser and a NAT
router with built-in firewall,I feel I have a secure setup.(Oh,and unnecessary
services turned off too!!)

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[Wolf K]

It's bad advice since it precludes the use of some of the best
products. If a person wants to use multiple on-demand av scanners,
he/she is free to use as many command line or DOS scanners (or any
scanners that don't install themselves on Windows). Also, products
such as KAV which don't allow certain competing installable Windows
products, do allow the use of many installable anti-spyware and
anti=Trojan products. Personally, I have AVS, plus several of the
other kinds of scanners I mentioned all cohabitatiing nicely on my
PC.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

Sorry, I just will not accept a product that prevents installation of a
competitor. Whether I install a competing product is not for the vendor
to decide, but for me - I'm the customer, after all. In fact, their
making a product that prevents installation of a competitor, or use of a
preinstalled one, is restraint of trade, and therefore illegal.

And what's this crap about KAV "allowing" installation of anti-spyware?
Are you saying you will let someone else decide what will and will not
be installed on your machine????

Good grief, man! Stand up for your rights!

My advice stands: Buy no product, no matter how good, that reduces your
control over your machine.

 

[Art]

Sorry, I just will not accept a product that prevents installation of a
competitor.

How unfortunate for you.

Whether I install a competing product is not for the vendor
to decide, but for me - I'm the customer, after all.

So you you'll use some second rate product instead. What a shame.

In fact, their
making a product that prevents installation of a competitor, or use of a
preinstalled one, is restraint of trade, and therefore illegal.

LOL! Tell it to the judge

And what's this crap about KAV "allowing" installation of anti-spyware?
Are you saying you will let someone else decide what will and will not
be installed on your machine????

Nope. I decide completely. I couldn't care less that KAV or AVS or
whatever don't allow other installable GUI av. I don't want them.
I have plenty of av and other antimalware products. So why
should I care?

Good grief, man! Stand up for your rights!

That's exactly what I do.

My advice stands: Buy no product, no matter how good, that reduces your
control over your machine.

Absolutely lousy advice, and stupid as well.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

 

[Wolf K]

Art wrote:
[...]

Absolutely lousy advice, and stupid as well.

Art
http://home.epix.net/~artnpeg

Art, your graciousness and good manners are a model for all. I'm blown
away by the fact that a person of perspicacity and good will such as
yourself would take the time to communicate his thoughts to a humble
idiot such as me.

 

[What's in a Name?]

Wolf K AKA (e-mail address removed) in alt.comp.anti-virus on
9/7/2006,after much thought,came up with this jewel:

I would advise against using any AV program that requires you to
remove another one. It's one thing to run only one AV program at a
time; it's quite another to jettison one in favour of another.

HTH

I always "jettison" the old AV before trying out a new one!
Many A Vs do not play well together. AVG and eTrust are two that do
play well with the others (but I would not use either one)
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[Jim]

One question I have is; is it possible to just pack McAfee away like cold
storage for the 30 day trial of the other programs? On the manual remove in
KAV.

Jim AKA (e-mail address removed) in alt.comp.anti-virus on 9/8/2006,after

much thought,came up with this jewel:

 

[Ron Lopshire]

I tried to install KAV6 and used the auto-install. It says remove McAfee
first in the prompt for auto\manual remove. Do I need to remove the MAV
manually? I tried the auto and no luck. Also no email notification from
Kaspersky Labs. "?" Where do I goto now?

It says to remove/disable McAfee for good reason. One, having more
than one resident (real-time) AV will usually result in conflicts, and
two, doing so will put you on your own. No one (KL, McAfee, etc.) will
provide _any_ help/support for such a scenario. Don Pelotas (KL) put
this together. If you have any questions, post them in the KL forum.

Removing other AVs prior to installing KAV
(http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=5233)

Just to be safe, do all of your uninstalling/installing in Windows
Safe Mode, with a reboot each step of the way.

Evaluate the AV apps that you are considering for real-time
protection, one at a time. Do _not_ install a resident AV that you are
not really considering, because getting rid of some of these (eg.,
NAV) is not trivial. Install the AV app that you choose, and use the
others for on-demand scanning. There are dozens of free online scanners.

Ron

 

[Ron Lopshire]

One question I have is; is it possible to just pack McAfee away like cold
storage for the 30 day trial of the other programs? On the manual remove in
KAV.

Jim,

Sure. It is the licenses that you want to keep backed up (CD, floppy,
etc.). Everything else can be downloaded as needed. Go to McAfee's web
site, and make sure that you have the latest software downloads. If
you choose to re-install, uninstall KAV, and then just run the McAfee
installer.

(http://us.mcafee.com/root/upgradecenter.asp)

All AVs need to be re-installed from time to time. Usually the AV
vendor's uninstallers just remove the app, but leave the settings.
This is _really_ important if you have stuff in quarantine,
particularly if anything turns out to be a FP. Make sure that you
don't need anything if you let a Registry Cleaner go crazy.

BTW, most people around here prefer bottom-posting.

Ron

 

[Jim]

Jim,

Sure. It is the licenses that you want to keep backed up (CD, floppy,
etc.). Everything else can be downloaded as needed. Go to McAfee's web
site, and make sure that you have the latest software downloads. If
you choose to re-install, uninstall KAV, and then just run the McAfee
installer.

(http://us.mcafee.com/root/upgradecenter.asp)

All AVs need to be re-installed from time to time. Usually the AV
vendor's uninstallers just remove the app, but leave the settings.
This is _really_ important if you have stuff in quarantine,
particularly if anything turns out to be a FP. Make sure that you
don't need anything if you let a Registry Cleaner go crazy.

BTW, most people around here prefer bottom-posting.

Ron

Is this the technique on bottom posting? Well I guess we will see...

I put KAV on the back burner for now and I installed AntiVir PE. I liked the
reviews that I was reading about both of these applications. Like the KAV
problem I disabled MAV in the system tray however when I download\installed
it was up in its certain parts in the prog~ manager [ctrl+alt+del]. Some
problems with rundll32 acting badly and ie shutdown. I then restarted, but
now the system tray icon is not there but program is [avgctrl], and running.
This looks like Grisoft's?! I may need to reinstall it. What do you think?
It says the active shield is up and running, just no icon.

 

[Jim]

It says to remove/disable McAfee for good reason. One, having more
than one resident (real-time) AV will usually result in conflicts, and
two, doing so will put you on your own. No one (KL, McAfee, etc.) will
provide _any_ help/support for such a scenario. Don Pelotas (KL) put
this together. If you have any questions, post them in the KL forum.

Removing other AVs prior to installing KAV
(http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=5233)

Just to be safe, do all of your uninstalling/installing in Windows
Safe Mode, with a reboot each step of the way.

Evaluate the AV apps that you are considering for real-time
protection, one at a time. Do _not_ install a resident AV that you are
not really considering, because getting rid of some of these (eg.,
NAV) is not trivial. Install the AV app that you choose, and use the
others for on-demand scanning. There are dozens of free online scanners.

Ron

Yes, I see...
I did not install KAV. I will eventually look at it and follow that advice,
having experienced this already!

 

[Peter Seiler]

Jim - 10.09.2006 05:08 :

[snipped]

Is this the technique on bottom posting? Well I guess we will see...

well, and even try to shorten/cut quoting as far as possible. THX.

 

[Ron Lopshire]

Sure. It is the licenses that you want to keep backed up (CD, floppy,
etc.). Everything else can be downloaded as needed. Go to McAfee's web
site, and make sure that you have the latest software downloads. If
you choose to re-install, uninstall KAV, and then just run the McAfee
installer.

(http://us.mcafee.com/root/upgradecenter.asp)

All AVs need to be re-installed from time to time. Usually the AV
vendor's uninstallers just remove the app, but leave the settings.
This is _really_ important if you have stuff in quarantine,
particularly if anything turns out to be a FP. Make sure that you
don't need anything if you let a Registry Cleaner go crazy.

I put KAV on the back burner for now and I installed AntiVir PE. I liked the
reviews that I was reading about both of these applications. Like the KAV
problem I disabled MAV in the system tray however when I download\installed
it was up in its certain parts in the prog~ manager [ctrl+alt+del]. Some
problems with rundll32 acting badly and ie shutdown. I then restarted, but
now the system tray icon is not there but program is [avgctrl], and running.
This looks like Grisoft's?! I may need to reinstall it. What do you think?
It says the active shield is up and running, just no icon.

Jim,

Avgctrl.exe is a Grisoft (AVG) process. What is/has been installed on
your system?

(http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/avgctrl/)

I would never run more than one resident AV app. And there are those
around here who would claim that you don't need even one if you
practice safe hex. Just use an on-demand AV scanner from time to time.

(http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html)

Whichever AV solution you use, make sure that you know which processes
are running and to which app or the OS each belongs.

Process Explorer - free for Personal Use, read the EULA
(http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/ProcessExplorer.html)

If you have AVS/KAV 6 installed and real-time enabled, there should be
two KAV processes running, both named avp.exe. One is the app itself
(system), and the other is the GUI (user). (KAV 5 uses two different
names.) If you have only one avp.exe running, your AVS installation is
borked. Or worse, your system has been compromised, as there are
malicious versions of avp.exe floating around.

Post back with a list of your processes, particularly any that you
don't recognize. Also, check out what autostarts on your system.

Autoruns - free for Personal Use, read the EULA
(http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Autoruns.html)

And yes, this is bottom-posting. Quoted material on top, new stuff on
the bottom. I tend to overquote (hanging out in the Mozilla NGs too
long), but you should quote enough to allow the new post to stand on
its own for those who have been following the thread. Interspersing
comments/answers is also commonly used where appropriate. Check out
some of the other threads for examples.

Ron