C
Caesar
If you had to chose between one, which one do you think is better:
Kaspersky or NOD32 and why?
Thanks.
C.
Kaspersky or NOD32 and why?
Thanks.
C.
S
Sir_George
Caesar said:
Caesar,
Both products are very good. My personal preference is Nod32.
YMMV
C
Caesar
Hi,
I appreciate your answer. What is it about NOD32 that you prefer
over Kaspersky, please?
Thanks,
Caesar
O
optikl
That's a tough one; like asking who gets more respect, George Bush orCaesar said:
Rodney Dangerfield. Oh, I guess that's an unfair comparison. Rodney is dead.
O
optikl
Ok, seriously, you'll find the two probably get an equal number ofCaesar said:
votes. Personally, I'd give the latest version of KAV a very slight
edge. I find its configuration options slightly more advanced and of
course, you've got its namesake still calling the shots.
R
Ron Lopshire
Caesar said:
Caesar,
As a new WinXP user, when I dumped NAV (it died on me), I installed
AVG while I investigated my options. Based on the recommendations of
the Gurus around here --- Dave, Art, and many, many others --- I
looked at NOD32 and KAV. There is no doubt in my mind, that if one or
the other works on your system with your needs, purchasing a license
for that AV app would be a good value.
I chose KAV, at the time, for one reason, and one reason only. I
lurked in both the NOD32 and KL fora (forums) for a while and was
impressed with the KL support groups. Being a part of the KL community
looked like something that I would not only enjoy, but also find
informative and helpful. I have not changed my mind in the last year
or so.
Kaspersky Labs Forum
(http://forum.kaspersky.com/)
Official Eset NOD32 Antivirus Forum - hosted by Wilders
(http://www.wilderssecurity.com/index.php?s=6fb621f9aedc35f049aca57e7d795ea5)
Short Version: (http://tinyurl.com/m4ko7)
Don't get me wrong. There are some great people in the Wilders (NOD32)
fora, including moderators, Gurus, and users. The vitriol, however,
has a tendency to get old. That was my impression a year ago, for
whatever reason. Things may have changed, and it could have only been
my jaded opinion. Check it out for yourself.
IMHO, the time has more than passed for Eset to administer their own
Help Fora. As I said, that makes them Number 2, for my needs at this
time, out of a few dozen AV vendors. Not trying to step on any toes
here, and there are _certainly_ more important criteria when choosing
a security app. YMMV.
And if Eset wants to look at how _not_ to implement a users group
and/or support system, one need only look no further than ... well,
let's not go there.
Ron
S
Slarty
Wot's a 'fora'.
Not in any dictionary I know.
R
Ron Lopshire
Slarty said:Wot's a 'fora'.
Not in any dictionary I know.
It's the plural of Forum, of Latin etymology.
(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=forum&db=*)
Due to the "dumbing down" of the masses, the alternative Forums has
recently found favor, just as the ignorati (a play on the word
illuminati) have now imposed indexes (as the plural of index, not the
verb, third person singular, which has always been acceptable) on the
English-speaking world.
Coming to a discussion near you soon, I am sure, will be the word
oxes, a team of which can be used to pull a wagon containing the
collective knowledge of our ancestors to the scrap heap of yesteryear.
Ron
D
DaVinci
Slarty said:Wot's a 'fora'.
Not in any dictionary I know.
Did you check Merriam-Webster? It's an accepted plural of forum, more
consistent with its Latin derivative.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?sourceid=Mozilla-search&va=forum
S
Slarty
Did you check Merriam-Webster? It's an accepted plural of forum, more
consistent with its Latin derivative.
No, I always go to the fountainhead of English, the OED, not foreign
versions of my language.
The OED does not admit the abortion 'fora' at all, later versions of
Chambers admit it as 'rare'. It's just not a very 'comfortable ' word in
English, it looks at feels wrong too. Neither is it good Latin, despite
what Ron Lopshire claims, certainly not what I learnt at school nearly
sixty years ago. And I've just rechecked with my trusty Latin dictionary.
I'd say it's in the same category as that other frequently seen abortion
'virii'!
Latin, like English today, tended to get corrupted by colonials of course.
Cheers,
Roy
D
DaVinci
Slarty said:No, I always go to the fountainhead of English, the OED, not foreign
versions of my language.
The OED does not admit the abortion 'fora' at all, later versions of
Chambers admit it as 'rare'. It's just not a very 'comfortable ' word in
English, it looks at feels wrong too. Neither is it good Latin, despite
what Ron Lopshire claims, certainly not what I learnt at school nearly
sixty years ago. And I've just rechecked with my trusty Latin dictionary.
I'd say it's in the same category as that other frequently seen abortion
'virii'!
Latin, like English today, tended to get corrupted by colonials of course.
Cheers,
Roy
Hi, Roy,
I didn't think to check the OED. Being one of the "colonials,"
Webster's seemed like a reliable source.
You're right about 'fora' being in the same class as 'virii.' Neither
exactly flows off the tongue.
Cheers from across the pond.
D.
R
Ron Lopshire
DaVinci said:I didn't think to check the OED. Being one of the "colonials,"
Webster's seemed like a reliable source.
You're right about 'fora' being in the same class as 'virii.' Neither
exactly flows off the tongue.
Cheers from across the pond.
Gentlemen,
This has nothing to do with _which_ version of English you or anyone
else considers to be the Gospel.
Classical Latin - The Noun System
(http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Latin/Alternative_Grammars/Harris_Grammar/Latin-Harris_04.html)
Short Version: (http://tinyurl.com/ly5ms)
In the 1960s when I took four years of Classical Latin, the plural of
_all_ neuter nouns ending in "um" was "a". It still is. One of the
first things taught in Classical Latin is noun declension. And if you
read any of the documents preserved from the Roman empire, you will
find that not only is this usage common, it is absolute. Read the
works of Cicero, or any of the other Roman orators, and note his usage
of the word.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero)
The plural form is not common, of course, because to a true Roman
there was only one Forum, but it is obvious that the word was used
correctly by the orators, as a neuter noun. And it really makes no
difference whether you read Cicero in Latin or the English translation
thereof. In both cases, the correct words are forum and fora.
One consequence of the break by you Brits from The Roman Catholic
Church is that Classical Latin has survived without any further
bastardization by the Catholic Church, its keeper for a millennium
[wink] and a half. This is not a knock on the Catholic Church, just an
observation. As both of you have pointed out, one need look no further
than North America to see how a language becomes bastardized with
usage. But then again, current UK usage of English is not looked upon
favorably by the language purists at Oxford either. Can you say split
infinitive? Dangling participle?
Forum is a word that survived intact from the Latin into English. Try
to find a newspaper/journal article pre-1970 (any language or dialect
thereof) that used the word forums. As I said, fora _is_ the plural of
the neuter noun forum. It has been that way since Caesar was a third
grader, and it still is among learned people.
BTW, virii is not a word --- never has been, never will be.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_of_virus)
Cheers from the left side (to both of you) of the pond. [bg]
Ron
C
Cathy
Caesar said:
I have used both...KAV was easier to set up, as I recall.
If you try out NOD32, here is how to set it up:
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=37509
I think both have a 30 day free trial.
D
DaVinci
Ron said:DaVinci said:I didn't think to check the OED. Being one of the "colonials,"
Webster's seemed like a reliable source.
You're right about 'fora' being in the same class as 'virii.' Neither
exactly flows off the tongue.
Cheers from across the pond.
Gentlemen,
This has nothing to do with _which_ version of English you or anyone
else considers to be the Gospel.
Classical Latin - The Noun System
(http://www.orbilat.com/Languages/Latin/Alternative_Grammars/Harris_Grammar/Latin-Harris_04.html)
Short Version: (http://tinyurl.com/ly5ms)
In the 1960s when I took four years of Classical Latin, the plural of
_all_ neuter nouns ending in "um" was "a". It still is. One of the first
things taught in Classical Latin is noun declension. And if you read any
of the documents preserved from the Roman empire, you will find that not
only is this usage common, it is absolute. Read the works of Cicero, or
any of the other Roman orators, and note his usage of the word.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicero)
The plural form is not common, of course, because to a true Roman there
was only one Forum, but it is obvious that the word was used correctly
by the orators, as a neuter noun. And it really makes no difference
whether you read Cicero in Latin or the English translation thereof. In
both cases, the correct words are forum and fora.
One consequence of the break by you Brits from The Roman Catholic Church
is that Classical Latin has survived without any further bastardization
by the Catholic Church, its keeper for a millennium [wink] and a half.
This is not a knock on the Catholic Church, just an observation. As both
of you have pointed out, one need look no further than North America to
see how a language becomes bastardized with usage. But then again,
current UK usage of English is not looked upon favorably by the language
purists at Oxford either. Can you say split infinitive? Dangling
participle?
Forum is a word that survived intact from the Latin into English. Try to
find a newspaper/journal article pre-1970 (any language or dialect
thereof) that used the word forums. As I said, fora _is_ the plural of
the neuter noun forum. It has been that way since Caesar was a third
grader, and it still is among learned people.
BTW, virii is not a word --- never has been, never will be.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_of_virus)
Cheers from the left side (to both of you) of the pond. [bg]
Ron
Hi, Ron,
I had four years of classical Latin also, albeit in the 70s. But thanks
for the additional background.
'Fora' is the correct Latin plural as you note. Nonetheless, it's still
not a widely used form in the English language. I suppose we're way off
topic here, but it's been fun.
Where's the "left side" of the pond? Greenland?
Cheers,
D.
R
Ron Lopshire
DaVinci said:Ron said:
I had four years of classical Latin also, albeit in the 70s. But thanks
for the additional background.
'Fora' is the correct Latin plural as you note. Nonetheless, it's still
not a widely used form in the English language. I suppose we're way off
topic here, but it's been fun.
Where's the "left side" of the pond? Greenland?
North America. The Big Pond:
(http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-big2.htm)
I am personally in southwest Ohio, near Cincinnati.
Ron
R
Ron Lopshire
Cathy said:
Cathy,
I don't know about NOD32, but with KL product releases (KIS/KAV), not
Betas, you have to pay up front if purchasing direct from KL (Element
5 in the US). There is a 30-day refund policy, however. The policy of
other KL resellers may vary.
Ron
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Wilf
Ron said:Cathy,
I don't know about NOD32, but with KL product releases (KIS/KAV), not
Betas, you have to pay up front if purchasing direct from KL (Element
5 in the US). There is a 30-day refund policy, however. The policy of
other KL resellers may vary.
Ron
Not so - KL have a 1 month free trial of their full products, then you
can purchase if you like what you see.
R
Ron Lopshire
Wilf said:
Thanks, Wilf. If so, then I stand corrected. IIRC, when I first
downloaded KPSS (April 2005), I needed a credit card in order to get
the license key. As I said, that was through the KL estore, which
meant Elemnent 5 for me. And, perhaps that is no longer the case
indeed. I have not seen anyone bitching about not getting their refund
(in 3 seconds) in almost a year. [g]
BTW, license key (files) are no longer available from KL, only
activation codes. That means that if you still want to use KAV 5, you
must convert the activation code to a key file. Again, YMMV with some
re-sellers.
Ron