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Can anyone give an unbiased view as to whether it is worth paying extra
for KIS over KAV (anti virus)

I currently use KAV + Spybot S&D + Adaware Personal-SE + Spybot

KAV is catching virus threats within emails (look like banking phishing
attempts).
Spybot + Adaware seem to be the ones everyone rates (nothing much coming
out there apart from Avenue something or other). Generally I use my
HOSTS file to block most ad sites
and the firewall is good for trapping any other beggars that may want to
connect to the internet

I like the way KAV updates its definitions frequently, and if the same
technology is used for spy/mal ware then it is probably worth paying the
extra, or do people think the above is sufficient
 
Mike said:
Can anyone give an unbiased view as to whether it is worth paying extra
for KIS over KAV (anti virus)

I currently use KAV + Spybot S&D + Adaware Personal-SE + ZoneAlarm

KAV is catching virus threats within emails (look like banking phishing
attempts).
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Virus threats within emails? Certainly, if a virus in an email is a real
threat to your system, then no virus scanner can protect you from that. And
since it makes SSL and TLS connections impossible, the virus scanner itself
it a threat.

Anyway, KAV is a well-known defective product which allows privilege
escalation and DoS attacks.
Spybot + Adaware seem to be the ones everyone rates (nothing much coming
out there apart from Avenue something or other).
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Replace "everyone" with "every incompetent user", then you'll get it right.
Why do you think this extremely defective software which seems to report the
whistling in the woods could be any good?
Generally I use my HOSTS file to block most ad sites
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What a nonsense.
and the firewall is good for trapping any other beggars that may want to
connect to the internet
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You'd wish. How should it accomplish that?

Beside that, this non-firewall (it's a host-based packet filter!) introduces
trivial remote DoS as well as privilege escalation and local DoS.


At total, it seems that your system is hosed, crapped, insecure,
misconfigured and that you have absolutely no clue what you're doing. And
now you want to invest money to make it even worse?
 
Mike said:
I currently use KAV
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Most experts consider KAV a top-notch AV application.
+ Spybot S&D
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Not really required; learn how to stay away from ad-ware in the first place.
Practice Safe-Hex
http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html
http://www.google.com/search?q=safe+hex&shva=1
+ Adaware Personal-SE
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Same comment as for Spybot S&D
Also read this
http://www.rootkit.com/newsread.php?newsid=471
+ ZoneAlarm
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You may wish to do some educational reading concerning phoney-baloney
software aka PFW's:)
Go to:
http://www.samspade.org/d/firewalls.html
And:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2006/05/SecurityMyths/default.aspx
and scroll down to:
Myth: Host-Based Firewalls Must Filter Outbound Traffic to be Safe.
Then read this:
("...the typical form of outbound protection in client firewalls is just
security theater.)
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/technetmag/issues/2007/06/VistaFirewall/default.aspx
 
Mike said:
Can anyone give an unbiased view as to whether it is worth paying extra
for KIS over KAV (anti virus)

I currently use KAV + Spybot S&D + Adaware Personal-SE + Spybot

KAV is catching virus threats within emails (look like banking phishing
attempts).
Spybot + Adaware seem to be the ones everyone rates (nothing much coming
out there apart from Avenue something or other). Generally I use my HOSTS
file to block most ad sites
and the firewall is good for trapping any other beggars that may want to
connect to the internet

I like the way KAV updates its definitions frequently, and if the same
technology is used for spy/mal ware then it is probably worth paying the
extra, or do people think the above is sufficient
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If the protection is adequate for you and you're happy with it, then go with
it. You only answer to yourself, and in particular, no one in this NG.

practice safe hex

http://www.claymania.com/safe-hex.html

try to secure the O/S as much as possible

http://labmice.techtarget.com/articles/winxpsecuritychecklist.htm
 
Your daddy, if he was ever around when you were running around in your
Pamper, he should have beaten your little behind on a routine basis to bring
you in check.

He should have beaten your behind in your Pamper, so that you would know how
to treat people with respect, which you obviously were never taught.

You are a real expert's expert, and the only way you can show your expertise
is with obnoxious and rude behavior.

That's right you lunatic run the potential posters off with your lunacy. :(
 
"Mr. Arnold" on the disrespectful Sebastian:
You are a real expert's expert, and the only way you can show your
expertise is with obnoxious and rude behavior.
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Go for it Duane. You tell the nasty man!
That's right you lunatic run the potential posters off with your lunacy. :(
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They're not afraid of Sebastian "what a bullshit" Gottschalk!
 
so, what is YOUR recommendation, Sebastian?
Any working solution?

#Mike wrote:
#
#> Can anyone give an unbiased view as to whether it is worth paying
extra
#> for KIS over KAV (anti virus)
#>
#> I currently use KAV + Spybot S&D + Adaware Personal-SE + ZoneAlarm
#>
#> KAV is catching virus threats within emails (look like banking
phishing
#> attempts).
#
#
#Virus threats within emails? Certainly, if a virus in an email is a
real
#threat to your system, then no virus scanner can protect you from
that. And
#since it makes SSL and TLS connections impossible, the virus scanner
itself
#it a threat.
#
#Anyway, KAV is a well-known defective product which allows privilege
#escalation and DoS attacks.
#
#> Spybot + Adaware seem to be the ones everyone rates (nothing much
coming
#> out there apart from Avenue something or other).
#
#
#Replace "everyone" with "every incompetent user", then you'll get it
right.
#Why do you think this extremely defective software which seems to
report the
#whistling in the woods could be any good?
#
#> Generally I use my HOSTS file to block most ad sites
#
#
#What a nonsense.
#
#> and the firewall is good for trapping any other beggars that may
want to
#> connect to the internet
#
#
#You'd wish. How should it accomplish that?
#
#Beside that, this non-firewall (it's a host-based packet filter!)
introduces
#trivial remote DoS as well as privilege escalation and local DoS.
#
#
#At total, it seems that your system is hosed, crapped, insecure,
#misconfigured and that you have absolutely no clue what you're doing.
And
#now you want to invest money to make it even worse?
 
nailer said:
so, what is YOUR recommendation, Sebastian?
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First you should fix your quoting.
Any working solution?
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Next would be flattening the system, it's hopelessly lost. Next... uhm...
well, actually you don't need anything special. Configure the system
correctly, shut down unnecessary services, use non-broken software, and
never start harassing the system with pseudo security software again.
 
First you should fix your quoting.



Next would be flattening the system, it's hopelessly lost. Next... uhm...
well, actually you don't need anything special. Configure the system
correctly, shut down unnecessary services, use non-broken software, and
never start harassing the system with pseudo security software again.
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I love lurking in this forum. You never learn anything at all from
Sebastian G.; you learn that everything is a load of rubbish and
everyone is an idiot, but he never tells you what that Godly expert
would do instead. Probably because he hasn't got a clue what to do
instead but just like the sound of his own loud voice (or the sight of
his own typing). "You don't want to do this", "You don't want to do
that". S.G. You're not related to Harry Enfield by any chance, are you?
 
Virus threats within emails? Certainly, if a virus in an email is
a real
threat to your system, then no virus scanner can protect you from
that.
And since it makes SSL and TLS connections impossible, the virus
scanner itself it a threat.

At total, it seems that your system is hosed, crapped, insecure,
misconfigured and that you have absolutely no clue what you're
doing.
And now you want to invest money to make it even worse?
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Typical seppi answer. Instead of giving advice he disseminates his
standard shit and feels good. How can a person end up like that?

Andy
 
I love lurking in this forum. You never learn anything at all from
Sebastian G.;
..."You don't want to do this", "You don't want to do that".
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LOL! He's so predictable I haven't even bothered to kill-file him.

Bud
 
Andy Prelignat said:
Typical seppi answer...
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Yes but his second response was pretty much spot-on.
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Next would be flattening the system, it's hopelessly lost. Next... uhm...
well, actually you don't need anything special. Configure the system
correctly, shut down unnecessary services, use non-broken software, and
never start harassing the system with pseudo security software again.
Unquote
(Though not everybody is experienced enough to run without an AV
application).
 
Kayman wrote:

(Though not everybody is experienced enough to run without an AV
application).
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You're kidding, right? An AV application does absolutely nothing to secure
the system. It merely solves as an intrusion detection system of pretty low
quality. And I'd say it creates an illusion of security that makes the user
act more risky.
 
Sebastian G. said:
You're kidding, right?
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No, I wasn't. Read again!
You're not suggesting that *everybody* is in fact is running without an AV
application, are you?
An AV application does absolutely nothing to secure
the system. It merely solves as an intrusion detection system of pretty
low
quality. And I'd say it creates an illusion of security that makes the
user
act more risky.
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I don't disagree at all - prevention is the key. Many users including
myself however do not have the same know-how and pc configuration you have.
Heck, it took me quite some time to harden my pc & what not and convince
myself to do without PFW; My goal is to eventually go without AV and A-S
applications, but I am just not ready as yet. So, calm down, come down from
your high throne and try to be more helpful.
 
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