Just out of curiousity...

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John R. Sellers

Am I correct in assuming every computer sold should be as quiet as possible?
Yes or no.
 
John said:
Am I correct in assuming every computer sold should be as quiet as
possible? Yes or no.
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Depends... Some people want to underclock the system and lower voltages to
get system noise down, others want to crank up speeds and voltages to get
more speed which need more cooling. Also quiet componets can cost more
money so to keep costs down noisier componets are used. It's not a simple
yes or no answer.
 
Very quiet often implies that the computer may have inadequate cooling. It
depends on the design.
 
John said:
Thanks for the info.

I'd still like some more opinions.
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The question is meaningless. You might as well say:
"Am I correct in assuming every car sold should be as fuel efficient as
possible?"

In real life all engineering is a compromise. You can engineer a PC to
be extremely quiet - but at the expense of other attributes. These could
be price, performance or size. In exactly the same way as you can
engineer a car to be very fuel efficient, again at the expense of other
attributes.
 
Depends... Some people want to underclock the system and lower voltages to
get system noise down, others want to crank up speeds and voltages to get
more speed which need more cooling. Also quiet componets can cost more
money so to keep costs down noisier componets are used. It's not a simple
yes or no answer.
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Umm, he was asking if he was correct in assuming, so it is a simple "no"
answer, at least according to what you wrote, which I pretty much agree
with.
 
Thanks for the info.

I'd still like some more opinions.
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To end up with a quiet system you usually need at least one of the
following, plus all hard drives having fluid bearings.

A) A system that produces relatively low heat (per average), which also
implies low power, so all fans can be reduced in airflow without need to
supplement them.

B) More attention to detail, in 'sink interface, chassis layout, fan
selection, heatsinks, or a cooling design that's less flexible, less
accomodating to component changes (think big-name OEM)... time and higher
spec parts cost more $$, so the user has to decide what it's worth in $.

C) A willingness to let the system run hot, burn out early in it's
lifespan, to the extend that you'll have some kind of first failure point,
earlier, whether it be a HDD, motherboard, power supply, video card, etc.
 
John R. Sellers said:
Am I correct in assuming every computer sold should be as quiet as possible?
Yes or no.
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I say *yes*

The noise can be very annoyoing.
Not too long ago I got rid of a perfectly good cpu cooler (at least from a
cooling standpoint)
and replaced it with a variable speed variety.

I suppose in a factory it would have been ok...
but for home or office use it was terrible!
 
Am I correct in assuming every computer sold should be as quiet as possible?
Yes or no.
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As quiet as possible? Given the state of engineering, it is probably
possible to get the noise of a computer so low it is not measurable. Of
course that would cost a not so small fortune. If every computer was made
as quiet as possible, no one could afford them, as they would cost 6
figures for simple ones. If you only want it below the threshold of human
hearing, then you can get by at the five figure level.

Is you are probably asking is "Should computers be made so they are not
unnecessarily loud". That is Yes, most of the time.

JT
 
philo said:
I say *yes*
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Thank you.

Finally, someone with some sense.
The noise can be very annoying. Not too long ago I got rid of a perfectly
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good cpu cooler (at least from a
cooling standpoint) and replaced it with a variable speed variety.
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My problem is the CPU fan in my Dell Dimension 2350, which I had to replace
cuz it was "whining", but the replacement fan would not fit, so I am still
using the original fan with a bit of oil in it. The problem is even worse
now, and the fan gets louder when I tax the CPU more.

Incidentally, I got the following from the Dell Forums:

"Ive had this Dimension 4550 for about a year now. When I got it, it was
almost state-of-the-art. Now its a clunker, but it still works well. I had
the Datech fan it came with replaced with an NMB fan. It's not as noisy, but
it still gets very loud when the CPU is taxed. Other OEMs like Gateway and
HP don't use these ridiculous fans that get noisier as the CPU gets hotter.
Why won't Dell do the same? I had a Dimension XPS at one point but I
returned it because it sounded like a jet taking off when I was playing a
game.
I see so many complaints about system fans on this board that it's
surprising that Dell does nothing to address this problem. I won't be buying
another Dell for my home or office until Dell does something about this. I
know Dell sells a zillion PCs, but you'd think more people would be
complaining about the CPU fans."
 
I say *yes*

The noise can be very annoyoing.
Not too long ago I got rid of a perfectly good cpu cooler (at least from a
cooling standpoint)
and replaced it with a variable speed variety.

I suppose in a factory it would have been ok...
but for home or office use it was terrible!
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Problem is, he didn't ask if it should be quiet enough to not be annoying,
which I agree should be design spec except in special situations. He said
"as quiet as possible". It is quite possible to get it much quieter than
the point at which it is annoying. Practical no, but definitely possible.

JT
 
Thank you.

Finally, someone with some sense.
good cpu cooler (at least from a

My problem is the CPU fan in my Dell Dimension 2350, which I had to replace
cuz it was "whining", but the replacement fan would not fit, so I am still
using the original fan with a bit of oil in it. The problem is even worse
now, and the fan gets louder when I tax the CPU more.

Incidentally, I got the following from the Dell Forums:

"I've had this Dimension 4550 for about a year now. When I got it, it was
almost state-of-the-art. Now its a clunker, but it still works well. I had
the Datech fan it came with replaced with an NMB fan. It's not as noisy, but
it still gets very loud when the CPU is taxed. Other OEMs like Gateway and
HP don't use these ridiculous fans that get noisier as the CPU gets hotter.
Why won't Dell do the same? I had a Dimension XPS at one point but I
returned it because it sounded like a jet taking off when I was playing a
game.

I see so many complaints about system fans on this board that it's
surprising that Dell does nothing to address this problem. I won't be buying
another Dell for my home or office until Dell does something about this. I
know Dell sells a zillion PCs, but you'd think more people would be
complaining about the CPU fans."
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It appears that your problem is not what you originally stated. You have a
noisy Dell, and want to make it quieter, which is fine, and probably
doable if you had asked that way.

There are always trade offs. Your original question was "Quiet as possible"
with only two allowed answers "yes or no". Given that scenario, only a NO
answer is possible. There will always be a point beyond which it is still
possible to get quieter, but it makes no sense to make it that quiet.

Learn how to ask the question you really want answered.

JT
 
philo said:
I say *yes*
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Thank you.

Finally, someone with some sense.
The noise can be very annoying. Not too long ago I got rid of a perfectly
Click to expand...
good cpu cooler (at least from a
cooling standpoint) and replaced it with a variable speed variety.
Click to expand...

My problem is the CPU fan in my Dell Dimension 2350, which I had to replace
cuz it was "whining", but the replacement fan would not fit, so I am still
using the original fan with a bit of oil in it. The problem is even worse
now, and the fan gets louder when I tax the CPU more.

Incidentally, I got the following from the Dell Forums:

"I've had this Dimension 4550 for about a year now. When I got it, it was
almost state-of-the-art. Now its a clunker, but it still works well. I had
the Datech fan it came with replaced with an NMB fan. It's not as noisy, but
it still gets very loud when the CPU is taxed. Other OEMs like Gateway and
HP don't use these ridiculous fans that get noisier as the CPU gets hotter.
Why won't Dell do the same? I had a Dimension XPS at one point but I
returned it because it sounded like a jet taking off when I was playing a
game.

I see so many complaints about system fans on this board that it's
surprising that Dell does nothing to address this problem. I won't be buying
another Dell for my home or office until Dell does something about this. I
know Dell sells a zillion PCs, but you'd think more people would be
complaining about the CPU fans."
 
Thank you.

Finally, someone with some sense.
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Oh Oh dude you may be in trouble here...
I;ve been posting on usenet for a few years now and no one until now
has accused me of having any sense <G>

However noise is really annoying!

In a few situations I've actually made some odd modifications
such as removing the cpu fan entirely and making a bracket and mounting
a case fan about 1/4th inch off the top of the cpu cooler.

The larger fan with a lower rpm was much quiter plus
gave better cooling!
 
Grunff said:
So your question was more "would anyone support me in the statement...",
rather than a genuine question.
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Yep. And if you don't like it, fine. I have no problem that.

This was just me venting over my parent refusing to believe that my CPU fan
has gotten louder. See my "CPU Fan Problems" thread for more details.
 
John said:
Thank you.

Finally, someone with some sense.
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LOL. Because they agree with your point of view?
good cpu cooler (at least from a

My problem is the CPU fan in my Dell Dimension 2350, which I had to
replace cuz it was "whining", but the replacement fan would not fit,
so I am still using the original fan with a bit of oil in it. The
problem is even worse now, and the fan gets louder when I tax the CPU
more.
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You get what you pay for. Also you've already 'modified' it and compounded
the problem.
Incidentally, I got the following from the Dell Forums:

"Ive had this Dimension 4550 for about a year now. When I got it, it
was almost state-of-the-art. Now its a clunker, but it still works
well. I had the Datech fan it came with replaced with an NMB fan.
It's not as noisy, but it still gets very loud when the CPU is taxed.
Other OEMs like Gateway and HP don't use these ridiculous fans that
get noisier as the CPU gets hotter. Why won't Dell do the same? I had
a Dimension XPS at one point but I returned it because it sounded
like a jet taking off when I was playing a game.
I see so many complaints about system fans on this board that it's
surprising that Dell does nothing to address this problem. I won't be
buying another Dell for my home or office until Dell does something
about this. I know Dell sells a zillion PCs, but you'd think more
people would be complaining about the CPU fans."
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Heard the term "Dell Hell"?. They build to a price-point. This means they
often use cheap components. They only sell to people who know very little
about PCs. As you noted, there are a "zillion" such people.
 
~misfit~ said:
LOL. Because they agree with your point of view?
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I'm start to regret bother ya'll with my apparent "pety" PC problems. The
answers I'm getting are depressing me.
 
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