Jumper in new Hard Drive

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I'm adding a new 2nd hard drive for a friend.
The exisiting hard drive is a Maxtor Diamond 10 (200gb) and it's jumper is
set to Cable Select (this is & will stay as Master.) The new drive will be
the slave.
Since the master is set to cable select is there a need to jumper the slave?
All things being equal and no problems with installation, just rebooting
will recognise the drive? What do I need to do then to format and/or maybe
partion it?
I'm very computer literate but installing hardware isn't something I do
everyday.

TIA
M.

P.s. He hasn't bought the second drive yet, so I don't know the make and
model.
 
MickeyMouse said:
I'm adding a new 2nd hard drive for a friend.
The exisiting hard drive is a Maxtor Diamond 10 (200gb) and it's jumper is
set to Cable Select (this is & will stay as Master.) The new drive will be
the slave.
Since the master is set to cable select is there a need to jumper the slave?
All things being equal and no problems with installation, just rebooting
will recognise the drive? What do I need to do then to format and/or maybe
partion it?
I'm very computer literate but installing hardware isn't something I do
everyday.

TIA
M.

P.s. He hasn't bought the second drive yet, so I don't know the make and
model.
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My favorite tutorial on jumpering, is here.

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/conf.htm

If using Cable Select, you set CS on both drives. You use an 80
wire cable, as it has the cable modification to support Cable Select.
Cable Select is preferred by computer manufacturers, as they
set all their drives that way, and just plug them into the cable.

When you have a single drive, and an IDE ribbon with a middle and
end connector, the single drive always goes to the end position.
Think of it as filling the end connector first, and then the
middle one, whenever using the cable. The purpose of doing that,
is to avoid reflections off the end of the cable - reflections
would occur if you had a single drive, and plugged it to the
middle of the cable. If you did that, the data transfers to and
from the drive, could be corrupted.

If you don't want to use Cable Select, then make one drive Master
and the other one Slave. If you are using just the one drive, it
goes on the end connector, and would be Master. Sometimes, when
you reconfigure IDE drives, not only do you have to change the
jumpers, but you might also have to move the drive to the
other connector (to meet the "fill the end connector first" rule).

So that is a quick summary, but the tutorial above goes through
all the options for you.

Paul
 
Thanks Paul,
Very helpful.

M


Paul said:
My favorite tutorial on jumpering, is here.

http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/if/ide/conf.htm

If using Cable Select, you set CS on both drives. You use an 80
wire cable, as it has the cable modification to support Cable Select.
Cable Select is preferred by computer manufacturers, as they
set all their drives that way, and just plug them into the cable.

When you have a single drive, and an IDE ribbon with a middle and
end connector, the single drive always goes to the end position.
Think of it as filling the end connector first, and then the
middle one, whenever using the cable. The purpose of doing that,
is to avoid reflections off the end of the cable - reflections
would occur if you had a single drive, and plugged it to the
middle of the cable. If you did that, the data transfers to and
from the drive, could be corrupted.

If you don't want to use Cable Select, then make one drive Master
and the other one Slave. If you are using just the one drive, it
goes on the end connector, and would be Master. Sometimes, when
you reconfigure IDE drives, not only do you have to change the
jumpers, but you might also have to move the drive to the
other connector (to meet the "fill the end connector first" rule).

So that is a quick summary, but the tutorial above goes through
all the options for you.

Paul
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BOTH drives must have CS jumpered correctly if this is the setting you are
going to use. Obviously ensure you connect the middle connector of the IDE
cable to the new drive, which you will (or they will) have jumpered as CS.

Once you've rebooted and checked that the drive is recognized correctly in
the BIOS, then right click on My Computer, select Manage, click on Disk
Management. The new drive should appear on the right hand side of the
screen and you can partition and format it from there. (You must partition
before formatting, even if you are allocating one single partition). Then
once formatted, assign it a drive letter and it will now show up in Windows
Explorer. An unpartitioned and unformatted drive will not show up.
 
Thanks to you to for the help.
I'm going to CS jumper the second drive as you suggest, considering the
other drive, as I said earlier is on the CS setting.

You may like to clear up something for me though.

If one installs a first drive as Master and the second drive as Slave, then
what is the relevance of this CS settings? It's been a couple of years now
since I've dabbled into the case installing hardware and CS although maybe
old technology or not is new to me.
So what's it all about?

M
 
With CS, where the drive is plugged in determines master or slave on the ide
ribbon cable.

With master or slave jumpered, you have to plug the drive in on the ide
ribbon cable in that appropriate location.

In both cases, the master must exist first for slave to exist. With CS,
takes no investigation of what is to be master or slave when replacing or
installing when setting the jumper. In my opinion, meant for the braindead,
and current factory PC assembly workers.

As an oddity addendum, there were few old WD hard drives that worked as
master on the middle connector alone without incident.
 
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