I've switched to MSE beta

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Jean Rosenfeld

Although it is not officially available in the UK, I downloaded Microsoft
Security Essentials beta from softpedia.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Antivirus/Microsoft-Security-Essentials.shtml

On installing it it apparently (but silently) uninstalled Windows defender,
which I'd gurst turned off. It then got its updates,


It's nice. A quick scan takes about the same time as WD, full system scan
(including inside zips) took 90 minutes (~2 million items !)

I've still got NAV on my system, but disabled that when installing MSE.
With the latter set to realtime protection, Security centre recognised it.

I think that at least until my NAV subscription ends, I'keep that going and
use MSE for on demand scans.
 
Jean said:
Although it is not officially available in the UK, I downloaded Microsoft
Security Essentials beta from softpedia.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Antivirus/Microsoft-Security-Essentials.shtml

On installing it it apparently (but silently) uninstalled Windows defender,
which I'd gurst turned off. It then got its updates,


It's nice. A quick scan takes about the same time as WD, full system scan
(including inside zips) took 90 minutes (~2 million items !)

I've still got NAV on my system, but disabled that when installing MSE.
With the latter set to realtime protection, Security centre recognised it.

I think that at least until my NAV subscription ends, I'keep that going and
use MSE for on demand scans.
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You may follow MSE here >
<http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse>
 
Thanks for the link. Is there a newgroup version? (I use Outlook express)

Jean said:
Although it is not officially available in the UK, I downloaded Microsoft
Security Essentials beta from softpedia.
http://www.softpedia.com/get/Antivirus/Microsoft-Security-Essentials.shtml

On installing it it apparently (but silently) uninstalled Windows
defender,
which I'd gurst turned off. It then got its updates,


It's nice. A quick scan takes about the same time as WD, full system scan
(including inside zips) took 90 minutes (~2 million items !)

I've still got NAV on my system, but disabled that when installing MSE.
With the latter set to realtime protection, Security centre recognised it.

I think that at least until my NAV subscription ends, I'keep that going
and
use MSE for on demand scans.
Click to expand...

You may follow MSE here >
<http://social.answers.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/category/mse>
 
I'm using it on many machines. I wouldn't worry at all about what it does
with Windows Defender--it incorporates all Windows Defender's protections
and more.
 
Yes, I knew that was OK. I just mentioned it as a nice feature that one does
not first have to uninstall WD.

One thing that might stop me from replacing Norton AV altogether is that MSE
by design does not scan incoming emails (NAV does and cleans them before
they appear in the inbox). I posted about that and although the replies were
clear, I was not persuaded by the arguments. Apparently if a ,pst or .dbx
file has embedded malware in it (a malicious attachment to an email), MS
does not consider that a problem. Even if the .pst file is scanned and the
malware detected, they would not necessarily remove it.
See
http://social.answers.microsoft.com...t/thread/176cbdfd-ec7e-4f0c-ae76-b646739d51af
 
Hmm! Interesting. Almost the same as me - XP Home SP3, NAV 2009. And yet, it
won`t let me install - gives me an error telling me it encountered a problem
then goes on to say this could be due to Forefront or One Care, neither of
which I have OR have ever had on my system. I do have ZA 8 with the inbuilt
AS RTP module but have disabled that - even disabled the firewall during
install completely but no joy. Needless to say I then have to reinstall WD.
Thanks for the info anyway.

Stu
 
The issue you mention has been problematic for years now. Anti-malware
scanning has been a primary source of substantial data loss in Outlook
Express. Early versions of Microsoft's anti-malware apps sometimes deleted
or quarantined the whole PST file for Outlook, resulting in Significant
Panic on the part of the users...

Real-time protection should prevent infection from attachments sitting in
the mail store.

For example, yesterday I did a full scan of my SBS 2008 server using OneCare
(a trial version of which comes with the server software.) It found a
Netsky viral attachment in the "bad mail" folder. That was a fine place for
it in my opinion--I never do anything but delete mail in that folder which
is exclusively spam and virus-generated in my experience.

So--in this case the detection was safe, and the cleanup simple--just delete
the file--but there really wasn't any risk to my users either. In other
circumstances, typically I find malware in the deleted messages folder, for
example--this doesn't bother me either.

From a purist viewpoint, leaving these infectors around seems wrong, but on
a practical basis, sometimes the cure is worse than the problem--and long
experience with real-time scanning of incoming mail streams definitely leads
me to that conclusion--and I'm sure you've seen the Symantec KB articles
that agree with me.
 
I also have ZA: pro 8.0.400.020.

Don't know if the following might be useful for you:

For MSE install, I did not shut ZA down for the install of MSE but clicked
allow on the related alerts as they popped up. I did disable NAV autoprotect
prior to MSE install as I reckoned the default install of MSE would be with
real time monitoring on with which NAV might conflict.

If using MSE realtime monitoring I keep NAV disabled, and vice versa. At
present I'm only using MSE for on demand scanning.

In ZA I have mailsafe turned off, in NAV 2009 I have intrusion prevention
off, to prevent duplication/potential conflicts.
 
OK. Many thanks for that Jean. Sounds as if we have similar systems on that
front. I`ll give it a try. I did omit to mention in my previous post, in
anticipation of MSE defaulting to RTP mode (as you suggest) I did disable
NAV RTP prior to the attempted MSE installs. Do you have any other on demand
scanners?

What I do find unpractical is MS tells one (in the relatively small print)
to remove any third party AS/AV software from your system before installing -
OK. Then goes on to say something like ... trash enties may be left in the
registry by some software vendors and to obtain the necessary removal tool to
remove those entries. They need to get real on that point - a generic? To
quote that John Mc Enroe classic. "You can`t be serious"!! Only the top end
AS/AV vendors do that. NAV being a notable example - we ARE talking freebie?
I hope that is nothing more than a `get out` statement for a version that is
in beta .... won`t appear in the final version. Ha! Ha! I`m not holding my
breath though.

Stu

Having a MS application on your system is like a love hate relationship with
a woman ........ one minute you`d like to neutralise her but then realise
you can`t live without her.

Stu
 
I have Spybot Search and Destroy, but with its realtime monitoring
(teatimer) off, so Spybot does not run anything (other than the SDhelper,
which blocks downloads and cookies from bad sites in IE) unless I open it.

I also noticed that MS recommend uninstalling all antivirus before
installing MSE. They really only want you to use their products. I just
ignore that.
 
I also noticed that MS recommend uninstalling all antivirus before
installing MSE. They really only want you to use their products. I just
ignore that.
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Microsoft would be perfectly happy if you use the security software of
your choice. MSE is going to be free. The issue is that if you have
multiple security applications monitoring processes and files, you may
experience performance issues, system instability and even compromised
protection as the conflicting programs fight for supremacy. Choose
whatever software you wish, but don't overdo it. You do not need more
than one real time scanner. And, if running multiple manual scanners,
disable the installed real time protection.
-steve

-steve
 
Dave M said:
Stu wrote:

~snip~


Hi Stu;

They do tend keep those uninstall routines obscure, and for good reason.
You can't make any bucks, pounds, or yen by having the masses remove your
security application. However, it's not only the big security houses that
have developed those removal applications:

http://www.raymond.cc/blog/archives...lers-or-removal-tools-for-antivirus-software/

Notice in particular #15... AppRemover is a standalone free generic
security remover. While I haven't tried it yet, I'll do so within the week
(since my Norton 360 subscription expires) and let you know how it goes.
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Hi Dave,

Apologies for the blank post above. In my enthusiasm I forgot to write
anything.
Many thanks for the link, number #15 sounds just like the baby I`d like to
try. I`ve just downloaded it and am now wondering whether or not it will
provide you with a list of what it finds by giving you a choice before
uninstalling. At the risk of sounding a whimp, standing by for your comments
and observations;)

Stu
 
OK Dave, sounds encouraging enough for me to give it a try and many thanks
for being a test pilot on this ocassion;) I currently have NAV2009 with some
300+ days subscription remaining. I can only guess the reg enties for this
will be eradicated if I choose to erase Norton - I`m guessing I will be able
to reinstate thru a reinstall and my Norton account. Time to stop theorising
and give it a try. I`ll let you know.

Regards

Stu
 
Hi Stu,

I did a install to compare it with Trendmicro Internet Secutity Pro 2010.

Quick scan MSE 10 minutes.
Full scan MSE 2 hour 15 minutes.
Quick scan TM 2010 1 minute.
Full scan TM 2010 1 hour 6 minutes.
Both did not find anything.
Trend pro got also:
Firewall.
Spam Email filter.
Toolbar in IE and firefox with Page ranking.
And some other features.
So Trend faster and more control.
But Good Luck Stu ;)

Regards >*< TOM >*<

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Stu schreef:
 
Hi Tom,

Many thanks for your input. I`ve had trouble installing MSE and figure I
will have to uninstall my AV/AS progs before attempting again. MSE tells me
this could be due to Forefront or One Care neither of which I have ever had
on my com.

Regards

Stu
 
Hi Stu,

I had it just the other way around!
First Trent Micro then MSE no problem ;)
First MSE then Trend Micro, wont install, MSE must go of first! ;)
But both on the com is not working well, got a blue screen after a while
and that was long ago that i saw that screen!

Regards
*< TOM >*<
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