Is this legal?

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I don't know which version I want to buy yet. Can I buy the Home upgrade version then bypass the key and install the
Full Ultimate version and then after 30 days if I like it just pay for it through that upgrade procedure inside of
Vista?

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RScotti

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Hi,

Legal? I don't see anything legally wrong with it, it's not like you are
unwilling to pay for your license, but technically feasible is another
issue. I think what would end up happening is that you would need to
reinstall with the purchased upgrade Ultimate key. A full version key could
just be entered at the time of activation, an upgrade one has to be entered
during the installation procedure.

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Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

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I don't know which version I want to buy yet. Can I buy the Home upgrade version then bypass the key and install the
Full Ultimate version and then after 30 days if I like it just pay for it through that upgrade procedure inside of
Vista?

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RScotti

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Read the license of the version you buy from within Vista. I beleive it
states you can only install it to one more PC after purchse. Who the ****
wants their retail license turned into an OEM license?
 
Hi,

Legal? I don't see anything legally wrong with it, it's not like you are
unwilling to pay for your license, but technically feasible is another
issue. I think what would end up happening is that you would need to
reinstall with the purchased upgrade Ultimate key. A full version key could
just be entered at the time of activation, an upgrade one has to be entered
during the installation procedure.
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Rick,
I know about the full version key but what my plan was is to use the upgrade to do a clean install of Ultimate. I saw
this somewhere you can do this by bypassing the key entry in setup and since I plan to buy this it should be legal.

As the other poster said about the one license I don't understand that since I will be buying the retail full version.

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RScotti

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Sorry I replied to fast.
I am using the Home upgrade version NOT the Ultimate upgrade to got to Full version clean install Ultimate.
Hi,

Legal? I don't see anything legally wrong with it, it's not like you are
unwilling to pay for your license, but technically feasible is another
issue. I think what would end up happening is that you would need to
reinstall with the purchased upgrade Ultimate key. A full version key could
just be entered at the time of activation, an upgrade one has to be entered
during the installation procedure.
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Have a good day,
RScotti

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Hi,

All versions are on the disk, so that is immaterial. You either choose the
version at setup or insert the product key you have and it is determined for
you. What you heard is correct, you can clean install without the key and
then reinstall with the upgrade key. While this will work, it is a
circumvention of the upgrade license. An upgrade license is for use from
within an existing installation, and your existing license to use the
upgraded OS becomes part of it. To that end, doing as you propose would not
be in keeping with the license agreement.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
Hi,

All versions are on the disk, so that is immaterial. You either choose the
version at setup or insert the product key you have and it is determined for
you. What you heard is correct, you can clean install without the key and
then reinstall with the upgrade key. While this will work, it is a
circumvention of the upgrade license. An upgrade license is for use from
within an existing installation, and your existing license to use the
upgraded OS becomes part of it. To that end, doing as you propose would not
be in keeping with the license agreement.
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But I am just trying out the full version without putting in the key and I am going to buy it if I like it.
I am not trying to cheat MS of anything.
I guess I have to buy the FULL version of Home and do it that way. That should be legal?

As I said about the other poster I don't want this to be consider an OEM License & good for just one PC.
(after uninstalling it on the original PC)

Have a good day,
RScotti

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Hi,

All versions are on the disk, so that is immaterial. You either choose the
version at setup or insert the product key you have and it is determined for
you. What you heard is correct, you can clean install without the key and
then reinstall with the upgrade key. While this will work, it is a
circumvention of the upgrade license. An upgrade license is for use from
within an existing installation, and your existing license to use the
upgraded OS becomes part of it. To that end, doing as you propose would not
be in keeping with the license agreement.
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One more thing.
During the first 30 days will I be able to get updates or will the evaluation copy say not a genuine copy of Vista?

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RScotti

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RScotti said:
One more thing.
During the first 30 days will I be able to get updates or will the evaluation copy say not a
genuine copy of Vista?
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Yes, you'll get updates. You aren't "out of compliance" until your grace period
expires.

You can always give yourself more time for evaluating if needed.

Open an elevated CMD (run as administrator), type> slmgr -rearm

You can do this *three* times only, for a total of
120 days.


-Michael
 
Hi,

If you are purchasing the full version, then of course that is fine. Before
you do though, what is in Ultimate that is not in Home Premium that you feel
you need? This should define your purchase.

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
Yes, you'll get updates. You aren't "out of compliance" until your grace period
expires.

You can always give yourself more time for evaluating if needed.

Open an elevated CMD (run as administrator), type> slmgr -rearm

You can do this *three* times only, for a total of
120 days.


-Michael
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Thanks Michael.

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RScotti

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Hi,

If you are purchasing the full version, then of course that is fine. Before
you do though, what is in Ultimate that is not in Home Premium that you feel
you need? This should define your purchase.
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To name a two and I am sure there are more that I would use:
Complete PC backup
the option that lets you get previous versions on say a word document.

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RScotti

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On second thought If Norton Ghost comes out with a Vista version. I could probably save money and just get the Home
Premium. The other thing isn't that important but I do want a complete backup program. I have Norton Ghost now and
wouldn't be without it. Saved me many hours of installs.
To name a two and I am sure there are more that I would use:
Complete PC backup
the option that lets you get previous versions on say a word document.

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RScotti

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Have a good day,
RScotti

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Hi,

All versions are on the disk, so that is immaterial. You
either choose the version at setup or insert the product key
you have and it is determined for you. What you heard is
correct, you can clean install without the key and then
reinstall with the upgrade key. While this will work, it is
a circumvention of the upgrade license. An upgrade license
is for use from within an existing installation, and your
existing license to use the upgraded OS becomes part of it.
To that end, doing as you propose would not be in keeping
with the license agreement.
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Not to argue the point but have you seen that documented? I've
looked on mine and I see no indication on the DVD nor in any of
the file structures. I'm amazed that something as bloated as
things are these days the so many copies would fit on 1 DVD.

Ed
 
Not to argue the point but have you seen that documented? I've
looked on mine and I see no indication on the DVD nor in any of
the file structures. I'm amazed that something as bloated as
things are these days the so many copies would fit on 1 DVD.

Ed
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Yes Ed,
I know for a fact that they are all there remember the core OS is all the same
just the extra features need more room.

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RScotti

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Hi Rick,
Are you sure this has all the features of Ghost 10.0?
It is only half the price and doesn't say anything about a Complete System Backup.

Here's what it says:
Symantec Ghost Solution Suite is the industry's most widely-used system imaging, deployment,
and management solution backed with more than 10 years of industry-leading expertise. Ghost provides file-
and sector-based imaging, OS migration, software distribution, PC "personality" migration (user data, settings and profiles),
hardware and software inventory, and secure system retirement.
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Ghost Solution Suite 2 supports Vista:
http://www.symantec.com/smb/products/overview.jsp?pcid=cli_mgmt&pvid=ghost
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RScotti

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Hi,

No, I'm not sure. I only used if for imaging during certain betas (not the
Vista beta). But, my understanding from contacts at Symantec is that this is
the future direction the product is taking.

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Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
Hi,

No, I'm not sure. I only used if for imaging during certain betas (not the
Vista beta). But, my understanding from contacts at Symantec is that this is
the future direction the product is taking.
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I have to check into this.
I know that they are planning a new version of Norton Ghost. just saw it at their web site.
Does the program come with a startup CD and can access an external drive?

Have a good day,
RScotti

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Hi,

Details of its capabilities (in .pdf format):
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/products/symantec_ghost_solution_suite/2.0/manuals/Getting_Started.pdf

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Best of Luck,

Rick Rogers, aka "Nutcase" - Microsoft MVP

Windows help - www.rickrogers.org
 
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