Is there Any reason to not put the 2 hd on same ide??

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Or should I put main hd and cdrom on say primary master
And
backup hd and burner on secondary master

TIA
Jan
 
Or should I put main hd and cdrom on say primary master
And
backup hd and burner on secondary master

TIA
Jan
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It depends on your usage.If you do a lot of,"On-The-Fly" CDR recording
keep the Cd drives on separate IDE chains.
If you do a lot of large data moves between the hard drives keep them
on separate IDE chains.

There is no performance hit just having two drives of differing speeds
on the same IDE port.The hit comes when used at the same time on the
same IDE port thus if you cross copy from drives across the IDE chains
you don't get the hit.
I have my Standard Cdrom drive as a slave to my Master drive and my
CDR drive as a slave to my 2nd drive.This way I get full speed CDR
copies,"On-The-Fly" e.g straight from Cd to CD.When I want to burn an
image off a drive or large files I burn the files from my master hard
drive to my CDR thus again from one IDE chain to the other as this is
optimal.This assumes that all drives are correctly using (U)Dma mode.

Also note that large file manipulations will fragment the hard drives
so keep them well defragged.

HTH :)






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Thanks so much Shep what a great explanation now it all makes sense. I
will print this for future ref. as I know I will forget down the road.
My biggest dilemma is length of the IDE's so I best do a bit more
rearranging to do it properly this time.
Thanks Again You were a big help
Jan
 
The slowdown usualy comes from the IDE controller if the two drives do
not max the 133mbs buss. The controller (depending on modle) only acesses
one drive at a time on the same cable, therefore large cache on the drives
would be very benificial to performance. Most people pair up drives of the
same type on the same cable, witch is why DVDRW or CDRW drives are coming
with 2 or 4mb of cache now to improve performace with the cruddy IDE
controllers. Newer hard-drives are coming with 12, 14, and 16mb of cache now
(Or coming later anyhow). SATA will be the new norm later on, but drives
right now are not maxing the IDE buss, so there is no need. Hope this helps
 
The slowdown usualy comes from the IDE controller if the two drives do
not max the 133mbs buss. The controller (depending on modle) only acesses
one drive at a time on the same cable, therefore large cache on the drives
would be very benificial to performance. Most people pair up drives of the
same type on the same cable, witch is why DVDRW or CDRW drives are coming
with 2 or 4mb of cache now to improve performace with the cruddy IDE
controllers. Newer hard-drives are coming with 12, 14, and 16mb of cache now
(Or coming later anyhow). SATA will be the new norm later on, but drives
right now are not maxing the IDE buss, so there is no need. Hope this helps
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I'm sorry but the above information is specious.The amount of cache on
any of the drives will not change the inherent nature of the
Parent/child relationship of the IDE ports which is major cause of the
slow downs.
With one IDE device on a port it is classed as a,"Parent" device which
can read and write across the busses at the same time.
With two devices on the same IDE port neither device can read and
write at the same time.One has to wait for the other.This is where the
data transfers slow down.
The only way to defeat this is to have ALL IDE devices on their own
IDE port.If using lots of large file manipulations such as Video
Conversions/DVD burns etc a cheap PCI add-on IDE port card is a good
investment so all IDE devices can be a,"Parent".
Some newer mother board makers are now making boards with 4 IDE
ports or more.
HTH :)





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Well I finally got the beast to work still think perhaps I forgot to do
something. I was absolutely not able to make the backup hd a master it
corrupted everything when I would set it up that way. I would loose
partitions on my primary HD etc...weird...I dunno why??
ANyway have made the burner the secondary master and the BackUp HD the
slave and all seems tiddy boo for now I hope thats OK...fingers crossed.
Thanks Shep for all you help.
Cheers
Jan
 
Well I finally got the beast to work still think perhaps I forgot to do
something. I was absolutely not able to make the backup hd a master it
corrupted everything when I would set it up that way. I would loose
partitions on my primary HD etc...weird...I dunno why??
ANyway have made the burner the secondary master and the BackUp HD the
slave and all seems tiddy boo for now I hope thats OK...fingers crossed.
Thanks Shep for all you help.
Cheers
Jan
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You are welcome.Just to check.Download the free small,"Nero Info
Tool",
http://www.geocities.com/sheppola/diag.html
It can even be run from within the .zip file.
In it's Configuration Tab it will tell you if all your drives are
correctly using DMA mode which is important.




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Not totaly false, I was speaking from personal experence. Not all IDE
controllers are the same BTW. But what you say makes more sence.
 
Not totaly false, I was speaking from personal experence. Not all IDE
controllers are the same BTW. But what you say makes more sence.
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I didn't mean to imply your information was totally false,just a
little mis-leading.You are correct that larger caches on the Devices
will improve data speed transfers unfortunately these will be defeated
before they could occur by the nature on the Parent/Child relationship
of IDE ports.I blame this on motherboard makers over the years putting
two devices on them to save money when they should have added more IDE
ports/slots.
For many people and for years it wasn't an issue but now with so
many people moving larger data files around like DVD burning it is an
issue.As RAM get cheaper and faster this helps to a degree but again
at some point the busses will get clogged if hardware devices have to
share :/

Pause for thought.

My 1st PC had 16 meg of RAM and a 1.2 gig hard drive.Whooo Hooo!
Many people now have more RAM in their system than the size of my 1st
hard drive!





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Pause for thought.

My 1st PC had 16 meg of RAM and a 1.2 gig hard drive.Whooo Hooo!
Many people now have more RAM in their system than the size of my 1st
hard drive!
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That big!! My first had a 5.25 floppy drive (360kb), a 20mb hard drive
and 16mb RAM. It also ran on something called DOS and Windows was just
a pipe dream, although there was an early lookalike called Gem that used
one of the new fangled gadgets called a mouse.
 
Buccaneer said:
That big!! My first had a 5.25 floppy drive (360kb), a 20mb hard
drive and 16mb RAM. It also ran on something called DOS and
Windows was just a pipe dream, although there was an early
lookalike called Gem that used one of the new fangled gadgets
called a mouse.
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I had up to 62 kB of RAM, with 2 kB or more of ROM, and two 241 kB
floppy drives. It all fits easily into todays cache. However, it
was much more reliable.
 
That big!! My first had a 5.25 floppy drive (360kb), a 20mb hard drive
and 16mb RAM. It also ran on something called DOS and Windows was just
a pipe dream, although there was an early lookalike called Gem that used
one of the new fangled gadgets called a mouse.
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As much as that? My first pc had a 5 1/4" drive, 30MB hard drive and
640*KB* of RAM. At the time, Bill Gates was quoted as saying "who'd
ever need more than 640KB of RAM?"
 
This is a bit like a,"Pi**ing Contest" in reverse<GRIN> :P
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I know, but I couldn't resist... lol.

That spec as noted above cost me in excess of 1100GBP in 1981...
think I was a bit young and green then!

Now I'm somewhat older and green...
 
I know, but I couldn't resist... lol.

That spec as noted above cost me in excess of 1100GBP in 1981...
think I was a bit young and green then!

Now I'm somewhat older and green...
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Well before PCs I had an Atari 1024.Bomb proof and with a GUI well
before BG ever thought of it.



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Pause for thought.
Well before PCs I had an Atari 1024.Bomb proof and with a GUI well
before BG ever thought of it.
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1024? You mean 1040? Bombproof??? Bahaha... I spent more time rebooting my
520 more than I used it.

My first PC was an 8086 with 64meg of memory and a bootleg copy of the IBM
BIOS and a pair of floppy drives.

My first computer was a TRS-80 Coco...

Of course bootloading a NC machiner with 16 switches, just so it will read
papertape is fun too!
 
1024? You mean 1040? Bombproof??? Bahaha... I spent more time rebooting my
520 more than I used it.

My first PC was an 8086 with 64meg of memory and a bootleg copy of the IBM
BIOS and a pair of floppy drives.

My first computer was a TRS-80 Coco...

Of course bootloading a NC machiner with 16 switches, just so it will read
papertape is fun too!
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Goddam you must be old<grin> ;-)



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Goddam you must be old<grin> ;-)
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Ooops... Should have said 64K of memory... I remember how much a 512K card
cost and it was PILED with chips.

....and I'm old...

: )
 
Noozer said:
Ooops... Should have said 64K of memory... I remember how much a 512K card
cost and it was PILED with chips.

...and I'm old...

: )
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I remember having this slate and a sharpened stick.......
 
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