I for got to mention that I would like the HD signal to go out from the STB
via HDMI or Component, into my computer via some port on the TV card, get
processed, edited, or whatever, and then sent out to my monitor via my
X1900XTX which are both capable of handling HD signals.
Ron
Ken Maltby said:What you want will not be offered as a product, because
the Digital Rights Police can go after the manufacturers.
We may find a way to "hack" some of the hardware in the
future.
A piece of vapor ware I'm keeping an eye on:
http://www.twinhan.com/product_satellite_s2_CI.asp
Luck;
Ken
Ron Krebs said:Thanks Ken, but what I don't understand is that I AM paying for these
signals through my account with DirecTV. My main HD receiver is a HDR 20
which, like TiVO, allows you to record, in HD, any such broadcasted signal
and save it to their internal HDD. When I asked if I could then get access
to that MP4 encoded file, the response was "probably very soon" since the
receiver has a USB out as well as RJ45 ethernet port on the back of the
box. Now, to me, that sounds like you'll be able to network the HDD within
the HDR 20 to you LAN and grab any contents therein for processing
purposes. Furthermore, what does the HDCP on the X1950s stand for if not
to handle copy-protected material?
Ron
Barry Watzman said:Your answer is incorrect, but has an element of truth buried in it.
It is not a violation of DRM to offer such a product, and I am certain
that at some point we will see one (a product that does video capture from
a Satellite set top box's DVI or HDMI output). However, the product will
be HDCP compliant, and as such will only allow capture of content that is
not copy protected with DRM, or for which the receiving computer has the
necessary DRM license to allow it to receive the content in question. DRM
doesn't mean that you can't ever copy anything, but rather that the
content owner gets to specify whether the content can be copied
(conditionally or unconditionally), and if conditionally, what those
conditions are. HDCP is the "enforcer" in this scheme. As long as the
capture device is HDCP compliant, there is no problem, either conceptually
or physically, with making and selling such a product.
Ken Maltby said:There already is a HDMI capture card. That is not the issue.
They can't make one that allows the copying of HD material,
as HD.
Having HDCP means that you can't copy a HD digital source,
as HD. It will be deliberately degraded to DVD Main Profile/
Main Level, first. There is no HD copy provision with HDCP.
Luck;
Ken
Chuck U. Farley said:This is a pattern of Mr. Maltby in this and other fora. Don't confuse
him with the _facts_, he's already made up his mind.
As is usually the case in threads Mr. Maltby participates, it will
slowly degenerate into the standard Usenet fare that has caused so
many to flee to Web based groups.
Please dont be a part of it.
Ken Maltby said:So you are still out there, Farley?
I invite any and all to review our respective posting histories.
Luck;
Ken
Tony DiMarzio said:Once a Usenet-er, always a Usenet-er I guess.
This DRM crap makes me sick. I'll fight it with every ounce of my google,
e-mule, astalavista, 9down etc... When I'm ready to go "HD", emphasis on
the quotes there, I'll be able to fire up an app like anydvd (which
coincidentally is scheduled to include HD-DVD and Blue-Ray support soon)
and have unrestricted access to the full quality original. Until that is
common place, I'll stick it to the man and avoid HDCP all together.
Tony
Ron Krebs said:What gets confusing is the number of cards claiming to be HDCP
compliant and then reading they aren't.
Here are a number of 1950XTX cards from NewEgg. Watch the line wrap.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...EPA=0&Description=X1950XTX+video+card&x=0&y=0
They have a really nice SLI crossfire dual XTX set up. OTOH they are
not cheap! Still the pair (which come in a very nice briefcase) are
not that much more than a top of the line 8800GTX card.
Near as I can tell, none of these accepts an HDCP compliant signal.
They all appear to take an S-Video input. I have the MSI video tuner
and input which will take component inputs which are better than
S-video but are still not up to HDMI. So far I've found no cards that
have an HDMI input.
You also have to be very careful with "HDCP" compliant as Vista will
only let you send the signals to other HDCP compliant devices. If it
comes flagged for no record except for specific devices like the Dish
Network 922 or the new TVio (the old ones will not record in HD) they
are supposed to be set up to prevent downloading that specific
content.
My 922 has two USB-2 ports and one RJ45. The RJ45 is listed as "for
future implementation". The RJ45 would sure simplify things as I
already have the house wired with a CAT5e gigabit network. The USB-2
ports are active, but say my computers are unrecognized. I need to
call tech support and see what they have to say.
As to the MSI input tuner card, it does a beautiful job of recording
OTA HD signals and playing them back. I just have not been able to get
any of the 922 recordings onto the computer in HD. As for the SD
stuff I only need run a coax over to the tuner, but that doesn't give
me HD.
I'd expect you will find the same thing with Direct TV.They seem to be beta testing the software for that box, and have
recently worked many bugs out of it, from what I've read. I have
a DirecTiVo Philips DSR 7000, and would get the H20-700 right
now, if I thought it would allow recording of HD material - in HD.
The guy who told you "probably very soon" is most likely mistaken
or deliberately misleading you. DirecTV has avoided/refused to even
implement the "TiVo-To-Go" capability inherent in the Series 2 boxes.
Dish has implemented it with their own portable devices.
I really hope your expectations prove out, please post here if you
Me too and please do.
I'm looking at replacing my single X1950XT with a single or pair of
512 Meg X1950XTX cards but those run about $400 each. OTOH that is for
a VIVO card and is half the price of the slightly faster 8800 GTX
series which is not VIVO.
So far DX10 is not an issue for me and probably won't be.
Likewise, Good Luck,
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)get a setup working.
Luck;
Ken
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Roger said:What gets confusing is the number of cards claiming to be HDCP
compliant and then reading they aren't.
Here are a number of 1950XTX cards from NewEgg. Watch the line wrap.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...EPA=0&Description=X1950XTX+video+card&x=0&y=0
They have a really nice SLI crossfire dual XTX set up. OTOH they are
not cheap! Still the pair (which come in a very nice briefcase) are
not that much more than a top of the line 8800GTX card.
Near as I can tell, none of these accepts an HDCP compliant signal.
That's because they are display adapters, not capture cards. HDCP
compliant means that they can enforce protection on the outputs and thus
be used in a box with a cablecard tuner or blu-ray DVD drive and output
and undegraded signal to an HDCP compliant monitor.
They all appear to take an S-Video input. I have the MSI video tuner
and input which will take component inputs
What MSI video tuner is that? The only ones I see accept composite, not
component.
which are better than
S-video but are still not up to HDMI. So far I've found no cards that
have an HDMI input.
You also have to be very careful with "HDCP" compliant as Vista will
only let you send the signals to other HDCP compliant devices.
Wrong. It will degrade or disable outputs if it is displaying protected
contend on non-compliant devices. If it is not displaying protected
content (that means Blu-Ray or CableCard, not a flag in a file that you
downloaded) then HDCP has no effect.
If it
comes flagged for no record except for specific devices like the Dish
Network 922 or the new TVio (the old ones will not record in HD) they
are supposed to be set up to prevent downloading that specific
content.
Those record off the satellite or cable, not off the PC. A CableCard
compliant PC should be able to record anything that the HDTivos can
record.
My 922 has two USB-2 ports and one RJ45. The RJ45 is listed as "for
future implementation". The RJ45 would sure simplify things as I
already have the house wired with a CAT5e gigabit network. The USB-2
ports are active, but say my computers are unrecognized. I need to
call tech support and see what they have to say.
Probably that you need HDCP compliant computers.
As to the MSI input tuner card, it does a beautiful job of recording
OTA HD signals and playing them back. I just have not been able to get
any of the 922 recordings onto the computer in HD. As for the SD
stuff I only need run a coax over to the tuner, but that doesn't give
me HD.
I'd expect you will find the same thing with Direct TV.
Except that others have managed to extract the recordings from the
HR10-250 and play them back on a PC without difficulty.
Dish has implemented it with their own portable devices.
DirecTV parted ways with Tivo years ago, and presumably Tivo's very
healthy attitude toward hacking ("If the hackers come up with anything
good we'll put it in the next release") played some part in that. Their
Tivo boxen are still getting updates, but they are several releases
behind the non DirecTV Tivos.
Your answer is incorrect, but has an element of truth buried in it.
It is not a violation of DRM to offer such a product, and I am certain
that at some point we will see one (a product that does video capture
from a Satellite set top box's DVI or HDMI output). However, the
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)product will be HDCP compliant, and as such will only allow capture of
content that is not copy protected with DRM, or for which the receiving
computer has the necessary DRM license to allow it to receive the
content in question. DRM doesn't mean that you can't ever copy
anything, but rather that the content owner gets to specify whether the
content can be copied (conditionally or unconditionally), and if
conditionally, what those conditions are. HDCP is the "enforcer" in
this scheme. As long as the capture device is HDCP compliant, there is
no problem, either conceptually or physically, with making and selling
such a product.