Is RC1 anywhere in the horizon?

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I stopped testing since beta 2 was very slow... and I was testing it on a
virtual machine.... they said later builds were faster..
But am waiting for RC1...

anyone know when this is going to be released...

ALSO!

Since Virtual machine 2004 is now freeware... has anyone been able to
install vista on it? I have done this with VMWARE...

thanks!
 
Yes. However, because of the limitations of the virtual cd drive in VPC it
is actually easier to create the base Vista vm in Virtual Server 2005 R2 (it
has a virtual cd/dvd drive that handles 4GB images). Shut it down. Reopen
it with VPC or continue to use VSR2.

Virtual Server is free also. There is some benefit to having both installed
on the computer (VS and VPC share some files and the shared VS files are
newer and have some enhancements).
 
About the only official comment on RC1 is "by the end of the third quarter."
My own take based on Vista's scheduled release to manufacturing in November
is that RC1 will appear before September. I have seen some other
indications that RC1 is not far off.
 
Pray tell? Tea leaves? Runes? Observing a certain species of spider
web-making?
 
About the only official comment on RC1 is "by the end of the third
quarter."
My own take based on Vista's scheduled release to manufacturing in
November
is that RC1 will appear before September. I have seen some other
indications that RC1 is not far off.
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I'd be very suprised if they make that target, as Beta 2 and 5472 still
feel very Alpha, or even pre-alpha. I think the beta 2 tag was not given
by the QA team, more likely the wishfull thinking marketing and money men.


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I figured as much, but, how many times do you see "Runes" in a technical
newsgroup? I had too...
 
I know, but I cannot make direct quotes and Mark deserved the best answer I
could give him.
 
When I looked at Virtual Server R2 though, I thought it left you no choice
but to install with no browse function to the C:\ drive and it's about a 2GB
plus download. Was I wrong about that? It seems like a great choice of VM
ware otherwise. I know a lot of people have used it to mount Vista. I also
wasn't quite sure what you meant when you said "Shut it down. Reopen with
VPC." Can you elaborate on that a little bit?

CH
 
I have repeatedly seen different people state that Vista has NO NDA, among
them Paul Donnelly and a gaggle of Softies. So where do you get the "NDA
stuff" pray tell? I'm not aware of any NDA for the TBT but am aware of many
statements it doesn't have one and clarifications of what they do and don't
want discussed, and btw anything and everything is discussed by hundreds of
Microsoft team members on theri blogs without any limitation whatsoever
except that they don't know some of the future.

I think you have an illusion--and we're into the exclusivity entitlement
virtual atmosphere that some people create for themselves.

CH
 
So Vista has a very well hidden "I'd tell you but I'd have to whack you"
clause--the ole ITYBIHWY"?

CH
 
I understand the human impulse for status and elite access, VIP rooms,
bottled water that is no different microbiologically than tap water, and
little polo horsies on Ralph Lauren shirts of all stripes and
stylesparticularly in my country where the truck driven as a status symbol
is also the financing for the terrorist Katyushas and missles in a war now
in the news that people are too dense to understand,

I understand the fun of saying, "I'd like to post with more clarity than at
the "nebulous vague enshrouded as a mystery syndrome" part of the spectrum.

The EULA for Vista Beta builds in fact, has no requirement for
confidentiality. That's since the beginning. Why someone is invoking what
does not exist is a good question.

There may have been warnings from MSFT personnel or contract employees from
MSFT more accurately not to paste newsgroup content, and these warnings were
always and have been to this moment (***completely ignored by all MSFT
personnel*** and because of that **MSFT itself***) in ignoring them, who
are on Vista teams who blog on MSDN and Technet and they are disregarded
completely by those beta sites who were named in said warning, Bink, Mary Jo
Foley's and Paul Thurott's among them--many of the Beta ezines..

I think these are great sites and value them--it does a tremendous job.

We have enough hypocrisy in this world--outraged people about a war that was
started by the terrorist financing they provided by gratuitously driving
their fuel guzzling SUVs with no connection at all as to the consequences of
this financing.

CH
 
If I remember right the download is about 80MB. I have no idea where the
2GB reference would come from.

You cannot access the same virtual machine from both VPC and VS
simultaneously, so you have to shut down the Vista vm before you can run it
with VPC. You shut down the guest with Start>Shut Down normally.

Since all you are doing is creating a vm in VS, browse functions do not
matter because you will be running in VPC. The reference to the browse
function means that a fully qualified path to file locations needs to be
entered when setting up a vm. It is not a biggie since once specified the
path is available for subsequent accesses through a drop down list.
 
Within TechBeta are MVP's who have chats under their MVP NDA with MS execs
and program managers seeking input on design and marketing decisions. Many
of these chats are open to MVP's whether they are TechBeta or not. All
MVP's were given invitations to participate in the TechBeta. I have no idea
how many are participating, but my impression is that quite a few do.
 
I see. Thanks for the distinction. There will always be rope lines and
inner sanctoms I suppose and no one would argue given the invaluable
contributions and sites and steady top of the line help the MVPs provide on
groups they should be rewarded, but I still wonder why and how information
should be secret.

If an MVP is at Redmond or has a conference about Vista, I can understand
the reasons for that being proptiary.

I still see no reason for closed chats and closed Live Meetings at the TBT
level. There is a lot to cover, and the information sure as heck is not
decent as it exists on MSFT's site right now.

I would hate to have to write a book on Vista right now, no matter what
level I thought I was running it at, no matter what my experience due to the
absolute dearth of info from MSFT on Vista and frankly extreme abdication of
their duties. They pay tech writers on all the teams to get the stuff out.
They haven't and they aren't which is all the more compelling a reason not
to close chats and Live Meetings and they are doing that.

It's a company that is not transparent on the level of informaiton about
their cash cow OS--not to mention that they talk out of both sides of their
mouth when it comes to turning over customer data to the United States
Department of Justice. I'm not talking about a particular discrete criminal
investigation here. I'm talking about MSFT being summoned to DC for 2 days
on June 1 and June 2 with the demand of the law breaking Gonzales fascists
who demanded all of MSFT's customer's searches and all customer data trying
to show inflamatory movies to BS companies as to reasons why they needed to
invade their customer's privacy.

It is reasonable to ask this company to give customers maximal information
to use the software. Closed chats and Live Meetings and lack of decent
information (again that Product Guide is a real insult to people) is
reprehensible foreclosure on information dissemination.

CH
 
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