is it possible to get RC2?

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It is no longer available. It was available to the first 200,000. After that
microsoft closed the download. Only way to get RC2 now ,is if know some or a
friend that can give you a copy.
 
If you already have a beta2/RC1 key, you can the bits off most any torrent
network.

-Mike
 
Not a good idea, BAD suggestion.
Downloading software from unauthorized sources leaves you open to whatever
malware may come from the person distributing may want to give you.
There is NO legitimate source outside of Microsoft.
 
Mike are you crazy??? Or just...well you get the point... Not only is it
dangerous but isnt it also illegal??? Im sure some sort of anti-Piracy laws
will show theyre heads soon enough. I would hope that there is a law against
that. I want RC2 but not that bad.
 
Hell no,

I don't want it that bad either. not a good idea Mike and I don't think that
you should be openly advocating this type of behaviour.
 
Nope. No "laws" against using a Torrent for a Beta to answer the question
posed.

In some countries, but not mine the U.S. , there are no laws against
stealing from P2P. I'm not advocating the yuppie buppie practice of wussies
and most of the pillars of communities of tomorrow on college campuses who
steal music and movies all the time and think they can distinguish it from
driving their Hummers through a plate glass window, pistol whipping the
help, and stealing whatever they like.

Currently the RIAA has hauled about 30,000 people into the 93 federal
district courts in the U.S. and a judge has ordered them to sing an
agreement to pay the RIAA $3500 including one deaf parent whose daugher
indulged her penchant for free music. The downloads from p2p are tracked by
a service, and in this country the appellate court system and the Supreme
Court have upheld that the RIAA can obtain your contact info from your ISP.

http://www.riaa.com/default.asp

I believe there are a lot of thorny problems on the horizon regarding DRM,
and MSFT is being disingenous about it. Yesterday afternoon, 10/19/06 in
an MCE chat, Andy Vanosdale, an MCE SEDT, gave this answer to this question:

Q: [93] AndyVa [MSFT] (Expert): so your saying i have to purchase again
another $1000 dollar software package because microsoft does not want to
support there os's talking to one another on a single domain?

A: We do not support MCE 2005 joining a domain because most home
environments do not have a domain. MCE 2005 is a consumer product. Windows
Vista Ultimate will be reasonably priced with the feature set included. You
should be able to upgrade to Vista Ultimate for $259, in the US.

One of the major reasons, and it is ridiculous that MCE cannot join a
domain, is that MSFT is trying to extend DRM protection or their perception
of it to 3rd parties.

I still laugh at the situation I encountered with one of my CDs ripped to
WMP 11 where I had to click on a couple dialouge boxes to get the privilege
of playing an mp3 ripped from the CD I bought years ago.

See:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=154

Re: DRM is a Horrible Idea Part II

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12354-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=26115&messageID=493685

The Blue Screen of DRM
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1355

DRM Chris Lanier's Blog
http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/search.aspx?q=drm&p=1

Home or Professional? Which on is Media Center?
http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2004/11/08/18290.aspx

CH
 
A: We do not support MCE 2005 joining a domain because most home environments do not have a

That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard-
I'm almost speechless.

-Michael

Chad Harris said:
Nope. No "laws" against using a Torrent for a Beta to answer the question posed.

In some countries, but not mine the U.S. , there are no laws against stealing from P2P. I'm
not advocating the yuppie buppie practice of wussies and most of the pillars of communities
of tomorrow on college campuses who steal music and movies all the time and think they can
distinguish it from driving their Hummers through a plate glass window, pistol whipping the
help, and stealing whatever they like.

Currently the RIAA has hauled about 30,000 people into the 93 federal district courts in the
U.S. and a judge has ordered them to sing an agreement to pay the RIAA $3500 including one
deaf parent whose daugher indulged her penchant for free music. The downloads from p2p are
tracked by a service, and in this country the appellate court system and the Supreme Court
have upheld that the RIAA can obtain your contact info from your ISP.

http://www.riaa.com/default.asp

I believe there are a lot of thorny problems on the horizon regarding DRM, and MSFT is being
disingenous about it. Yesterday afternoon, 10/19/06 in an MCE chat, Andy Vanosdale, an MCE
SEDT, gave this answer to this question:

Q: [93] AndyVa [MSFT] (Expert): so your saying i have to purchase again another $1000 dollar
software package because microsoft does not want to support there os's talking to one another
on a single domain?

A: We do not support MCE 2005 joining a domain because most home environments do not have a
domain. MCE 2005 is a consumer product. Windows Vista Ultimate will be reasonably priced with
the feature set included. You should be able to upgrade to Vista Ultimate for $259, in the
US.

One of the major reasons, and it is ridiculous that MCE cannot join a domain, is that MSFT is
trying to extend DRM protection or their perception of it to 3rd parties.

I still laugh at the situation I encountered with one of my CDs ripped to WMP 11 where I had
to click on a couple dialouge boxes to get the privilege of playing an mp3 ripped from the
CD I bought years ago.

See:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=154

Re: DRM is a Horrible Idea Part II

http://talkback.zdnet.com/5208-12354-0.html?forumID=1&threadID=26115&messageID=493685

The Blue Screen of DRM
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=1355

DRM Chris Lanier's Blog
http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/search.aspx?q=drm&p=1

Home or Professional? Which on is Media Center?
http://msmvps.com/blogs/chrisl/archive/2004/11/08/18290.aspx

CH


Altimax98 said:
Mike are you crazy??? Or just...well you get the point... Not only is it
dangerous but isnt it also illegal??? Im sure some sort of anti-Piracy laws
will show theyre heads soon enough. I would hope that there is a law against
that. I want RC2 but not that bad.
 
A: We do not support MCE 2005 joining a domain because most home
That has to be one of the dumbest things I have ever heard-
I'm almost speechless.

Why is it dumb? How many home users are running a Server version that can
create a Domain?
Not too many, I'm sure. Most home users use a workgroup.

Tom Lake
 
Tom Lake said:
Why is it dumb? How many home users are running a Server version that can
create a Domain?
Not too many, I'm sure. Most home users use a workgroup.

There's that same ignorant arse attitude- "since most don't
do something let's keep all from doing it."


-Michael
 
A: We do not support MCE 2005 joining a domain because most home
There's that same ignorant arse attitude- "since most don't
do something let's keep all from doing it."

Every feature costs money. Why make all users pay the increase when
only a tiny fraction of users would use that feature? The target audience
of MCE is the kind who wouldn't have a domain nor even know what one
is. MS isn't keeping you from doing anything. If MCE isn't for you, you're
free to buy Pro, though you give up Media Center (big deal!). Most people
don't want to drive at over 200 MPH so most cars aren't built to do that.
If you DO want to drive that fast, pay the extra and get a car that can
handle it.
You will be giving up room for extra passengers but life is full of choices.
Don't make people who would never think of driving that fast to pay for the
kind of car that can.

Tom Lake
 
LOL--

MSFT's decision to not allow MCE to join a domain is one reason they
actually enjoy a fraction of PC sales and softare sales at the time of this
writing. Most home users may not have a server. We're still working on
getting all of them a computer. But among the people I know, and recheck
the ones you know and talk to the most frequently in fact all of them are.
As to most computer users, joining a domain is on the rise to be sure.

I don't know who the home users are that are in your circle of family,
friends and acquaintainces Mr. Lake, but I know a lot of MSFT gold partners
and others who aren't who run businesses from Home.

A lot of my friends run servers and definitely think it's moronic that MCE
doesn't join a domain and it could. That feature doesn't cost them more
money. They did it for a very specific purpose--the way they currently have
DRM screwdup and a number of MVPs ticked off and thousands of customers.
MSFT wants more than ever to restrict options and become an intrusive Big
Brother into everyone's computer lives. The not joining a domain was all
about DRM and everyone on a MSFT team connected remotely with MCE knows
this.

MSFT is a company that is full of brilliance and talent, yet it's arrogance
has pushed it to the brink of wanting to force a kill switch in Vista and
Longhorn server that cannot discriminate legit Windows from pirated Windows.
It was a very bad decision; it has real consequences and you'll see them
forcibly backed off it soon if they don't do their usual two step and dance
away from it.

It's going to cost Vista sales; I'm happy buy all my versions of MSFT
software and I never have pirated anything from them or anyone else P2P and
never will. I had a word growing up for piracy and my dad called it
stealing.

MSFT for all its amazingtalent and innovation and imagination (one only has
to read some of the MSDN Softie blogs to appreciate this) has one of the
most arrogant sets of thousands of tin ears in Redmond that were ever part
of anyone's anatomy.

In fact a significant number of home users I know are power users who run
servers and use a domain. I know many many college students who in fact are
running domains in their homes and their dorms. Many professionals use
domains at home, and their work at home is insepparable from their work in
the office or when their mobile.

Try looking up the responsibilities of an MD who knows how to use Windows
some time, and figure out if they just might rev up their home setup to be
as competent as the one in their office and why they might have that need.

Let's see where MCE stands right now. Large effort from Vista and results
remain to be seen since many of the features still aren't finished. Gates
said it would revoloutionize the computer industry at the launch in 2002, it
hasn't yet; Gates put on one of my favoirte shows of chemistry partnering
with IT Maven and Windowsmover and shaker Queen Latifah for the launch of
MCE 2005--when the queen walks into the room, the comptuers and servers
literally shake every footstep--you gonna gimme one of them Bill?" was my
favorite line.

MCE 2005 increased sales by 40% yet as I write this MCE is in fact what is a
very tiny fraction in homes, not joining a domain which in fact is not.

I don't know what roads you travel, but in my town which is large in the US,
most of the idiots driving do want to travel 200 mph and try their best to
do it using gas hog SUVs that are doing more to help cause death from
terrorism and in Iraq and Afghanistan and other parts of the world than you
can imagine. Not only do people all think of driving that fast and try to,
they have big deadly trucks called SUVs that kill 1000 per year more in the
US than regular cars because of their height and that hasn't been corrected
by Congress until 2010--i.e. they can handle 1000 deaths a year until then
from the height of the front as long as they don't know the dead.

Cervical spine fracture that kills or paralyzes is up 16% in single SUV
accidents, and higher than that when an SUV and a non-SUV gas guzzler is
involved. This is from the survey conducted by the Bush appointed ER MD in
charge of this at DOT. The first time DOT actually did medically modeled
surveys.

October 20, 2006
Attack on Iraqi City Shows Militia’s Power
By CHRISTINE HAUSER
A Shiite militia that has been accused of a wave of sectarian attacks on
Iraq’s Sunni minority has seized control of the city of Amara in
southeastern Iraq, attacking police stations and erecting checkpoints,
witnesses in the city said today. At least 15 people have been killed,
health officials said.

The takeover of Amara by the militia, the Mahdi Army, was a broad act of
defiance against the authority of the central government, which has been
trying to impose order and curb sectarian violence. The incident also raised
questions about whether Iraq’s militias can be reined in.

It followed meetings earlier this week between the prime minister, Nuri
Kamal al-Maliki; the Mahdi Army’s anti-American leader, Moktada al-Sadr; and
Iraq’s most revered Shiite cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, who is
widely viewed in Iraq as the only Shiite leader with the authority to subdue
the Shiite militias.

The power the militias have to destabilize the country is demonstrated
almost daily, and the Maliki government is under mounting American pressure
to stem the violence. Just last weekend, Shiite militiamen went on a killing
spree in and around the town of Balad, murdering 38 Sunnis in reprisal for
the beheading by Sunni extremists of 19 Shiite workers.

Sheik Abdul Kareem al-Muhammadawi, a prominent tribal leader, said in an
interview by telephone today that the Mahdi Army responded by deploying its
troops in the city. He said the police were outgunned, with insufficient
weapons and ammunition.

“There is no state in the city right now,” he said.

The clashes in Amara, culminating in what effectively was a seizure of the
city by the militia, appeared to spring from the assassination this week of
a senior police official loyal to another powerful Shiite militia, the Badr
Organization. The official’s family and the Badr group accused the Mahdi
Army of being behind that killing, according to an account from Amara. A
brother of a Mahdi Army commander was then kidnapped in reprisal, the
account said.

A British military spokesman in the area, Maj. Charlie Burbridge, said in an
interview with CNN that the violence of Thursday and today sprang from the
local dispute, and that it did not mean the Mahdi Army intended to take over
the city.

He told Reuters that the Iraqi Army had deployed about 230 troops to help
defend police stations, while British forces kept up reconnaissance from the
air and stood ready to offer more assistance if asked.

“Some of these clashes became quite intense exchanges of fire,” Major
Burbridge was quoted by the news agency as saying.British troops occupied a
military base in Amara, which is near the Iranian border, for several years
after the 2003 invasion, and the base was a frequent target of attacks by
Shiite militias. It was turned over to Iraqi control in August.

The nearest British troops are now stationed more than 20 miles from the
city, Mr. Muhammadawi said.

At least three police stations and several other state facilities in Amara
were attacked.

The government reacted with hurried efforts to restore order. Mr.
Muhammadawi said he and other tribal leaders tried to intervene, while Mr.
Maliki dispatched a delegation to the area. A message from Mr. Sadr was
broadcast from police cars and ambulances, calling on gunmen to lay down
their weapons, but it appeared to be disregarded, Mr. Muhammadawi said.

Mr. Sadr himself sent a team to Amara from the holy Shiite city of Najaf.

The Associated Press reported that about 800 black-clad militiamen with
Kalashnikov rifles and rocket-propelled grenade launchers were patrolling
city streets in commandeered police vehicles.

Some reports said the city was calm today."

Because of them, and the oil addiciton that the car manufactures and Large
Oil pushes, with their huge tax breaks from a Republican congress the chaos
in Iraq exists now.

Welcome to mission accomplished. There's going to be a mass firing in
Washington come November 7, 2006 by 10PM. Stay tuned and watch it happen.
Subpoena power will be back in the hands of the Democratically controlled
committees at least in the House.

CH
 
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