is a cheap multi plug w/ surge protector OK ?

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how's this onehttp://www.cybermarket.co.uk/ishop/923/shopscr5841.html

should I look for a particular make? or to avoid a particular make ?

there's one here i'm looking at, currently on ebay. It's more
expensivehttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Power-Multi-Plug-Index-6-Socket-Surge-Prote...

Does it cite each type of surge and list numbers for protection from
each type? No it does not even claim to provide protection. Take a
£2 power strip. Add some 10 pence parts. Sell it for how much? Look
at its numbers. Minimal protectors start at 50,000 amps. And finally
is that little power strip going to stop what three miles of sky could
not? A real world protector does not stop surges like a dam stopping
a flood. Real world protectors, instead, divert surges downriver like
a dike. IOW effective protectors divert a surge to earth before it
can even enter the building. One protector does for everything at
about £1 per protected appliance. Not only does that protector not
even claim to protect. It may also create these scary pictures:
http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=556&parent=554
http://www.westwhitelandfire.com/Articles/Surge Protectors.pdf
http://www.ddxg.net/old/surge_protectors.htm
http://www.zerosurge.com/HTML/movs.html
http://tinyurl.com/3x73ol

Does that protector even claim protection? Instead, it has a
history of sometimes earthing surges destructively through the
adjacent computer. But then we have another and the most obvious
reason why it does not even claim to protect. Where is the dedicated
connection to the building earth ground rod? Where does the
manufacturer discuss earthing? No earth ground means no effective
protection.

But look at that profit margin. With profit margins that high, why
would they be honest? Well they do admit to being rated for a paltry
9000 amps. And forget to mention that the actual number is probably
only 3000 or 6000 amps. So why is it so grossly overpriced?

Examples of protectors that actually would provide protection:
http://www.keison.co.uk/furse/furse06.htm
http://www.keison.co.uk/furse/pdf/mains_supplies/m2_m4.pdf
 
how's this one
http://www.cybermarket.co.uk/ishop/923/shopscr5841.html

should I look for a particular make? or to avoid a particular make ?


there's one here i'm looking at, currently on ebay. It's more
expensive
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Power-Mul...hZ013QQcategoryZ96907QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

does it matter which i get ?


The short answer is yes, it matters what you get if you are
serious about surge protection instead of just buying a
multi-oultlet strip.

A whole residence surge protector with a short earth ground
is the primary protection. Next, add multi-outlet strips,
ignoring that they claim to provide surge protection, if you
need multiple outlet extensions.


Take your pick, you can't adequately protect against surges
buying the cheapest product(s), BUT if what you buy has
some insurance guarantee attached, and that seller has
demonstrated though payment that it is a real insurance,
that is what you are paying for in this class of equipment.
 
The short answer is yes, it matters what you get if you are
serious about surge protection instead of just buying a
multi-oultlet strip.

A whole residence surge protector with a short earth ground
is the primary protection. Next, add multi-outlet strips,
ignoring that they claim to provide surge protection, if you
need multiple outlet extensions.

Take your pick, you can't adequately protect against surges
buying the cheapest product(s), BUT if what you buy has
some insurance guarantee attached, and that seller has
demonstrated though payment that it is a real insurance,
that is what you are paying for in this class of equipment.

I like the idea of a dedicated surge protector and plugging a multi
plug/outlet into it.

it's for a home with a few computers. Less than 1000 pounds worth of
equipment.

I don't want to spend more than 100 pounds on this surge protector.


what do you suggest?
 
Has no ratings. You don’t know what you are getting.

Has ratings and ports for phone and antenna.

There is no brand name on either unit. I would only buy a known brand
name like Belkin


The best information on surges and surge protection I have seen is in an
IEEE guide at:
http://omegaps.com/Lightning Guide_FINALpublishedversion_May051.pdf
And also:
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/practiceguides/surgesfnl.pdf

The IEEE guide is aimed at those with some technical background. The
NIST guide is aimed at the unwashed masses. Both are written for the US,
but the principles are the same for the UK.

Look
at its numbers. Minimal protectors start at 50,000 amps. And finally
is that little power strip going to stop what three miles of sky could
not?

Plug–in suppressors work by clamping, not stopping. 50,000A might be
useful for a service panel suppressor, although US and UK standards
place the maximum probable surge at 10,000A. The current to a plug-in
suppressor is greatly limited by the impedance of the circuit wiring.
The 9000A value for the 2nd suppressor should be high enough. I would
prefer a higher value, not because the suppressor would see that much
current, but higher current is generally tied to a higher energy (Joule)
rating which gives a longer life.

Not only does that protector not
even claim to protect. It may also create these scary pictures:
http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=556&parent=554

The hanford link is about "some older model" power strips and says
overheating was fixed with a revision to UL1449 that requires thermal
disconnects in the US. That was 1998. It is probable that the UK has
also fixed overheating.
But then we have another and the most obvious
reason why it does not even claim to protect. Where is the dedicated
connection to the building earth ground rod? Where does the
manufacturer discuss earthing? No earth ground means no effective
protection.

w_ has a religious belief (immune from challenge) that surge protection
must use earthing. Thus in his view plug-in suppressors (which are not
well earthed) can not possibly work. The IEEE guide explains plug-in
suppressors work by CLAMPING the voltage on all wires (signal and power)
to the common ground at the suppressor. Plug-in suppressors do not work
primarily by earthing (or stopping or absorbing). The guide explains
earthing occurs elsewhere. (Read the guide starting pdf page 40).

Note that all interconnected equipment needs to be connected to the same
plug-in suppressor, or interconnecting wires need to go through the
suppressor. External connections, like phone, also need to go through
the suppressor. Connecting all wiring through the suppressor prevents
damaging voltages between power and signal wires. These multiport
suppressors are described in both guides. Your 2nd suppressor has ports
for phone and antenna.

According to NIST guide, US insurance information indicates equipment
most frequently damaged by lightning is
computers with a modem connection
TVs, VCRs and similar equipment (presumably with cable TV
connections).
All can be damaged by high voltages between power and signal wires.

Service panel suppressors are a good idea.
The NIST guide’s comments:
"Q - Will a surge protector installed at the service entrance be
sufficient for the whole house?
A - There are two answers to than question: Yes for one-link appliances,
No for two-link appliances [equipment connected to power AND phone or
CATV or....]. Since most homes today have some kind of two-link
appliances, the prudent answer to the question would be NO - but that
does not mean that a surge protector installed at the service entrance
is useless."

Summarizing ways to protect against surges, the IEEE guide says:
"The previous sections have shown, in general, how to protect electronic
systems in houses:
1) Proper grounding and bonding, especially at the service entrance.
2) AC panel and primary signal surge protection at or near the service
entrance.
3) Multi-port plug-in protectors near the equipment to be protected."
 
I like the idea of a dedicated surge protector and plugging a multi
plug/outlet into it.

it's for a home with a few computers. Less than 1000 pounds worth of
equipment.

I don't want to spend more than 100 pounds on this surge protector.


what do you suggest?

I have been using computer since 70's and never owned any cheap/expensive
surge protector but cheapest extension cores with more outlets <bg>. Little
over a year ago, I got tired of power failure (just a quick switch) few
times a year during bad weather, I decided to buy a Bettery Backup for
around $50 (it was onsale) and it says it has built-in surge protector.

So ow I have the bests of both worlds "Battery Backup", "Surge Protector",
 
Has no ratings. You don't know what you are getting.



Has ratings and ports for phone and antenna.

There is no brand name on either unit. I would only buy a known brand
name like Belkin

The best information on surges and surge protection I have seen is in an
IEEE guide at:http://omegaps.com/Lightning Guide_FINALpublishedversion_May051.pdf
And also:http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/practiceguides/surgesfnl.pdf

The IEEE guide is aimed at those with some technical background. The
NIST guide is aimed at the unwashed masses. Both are written for the US,
but the principles are the same for the UK.
Look
at its numbers. Minimal protectors start at 50,000 amps. And finally
is that little power strip going to stop what three miles of sky could
not?

Plug-in suppressors work by clamping, not stopping. 50,000A might be
useful for a service panel suppressor, although US and UK standards
place the maximum probable surge at 10,000A. The current to a plug-in
suppressor is greatly limited by the impedance of the circuit wiring.
The 9000A value for the 2nd suppressor should be high enough. I would
prefer a higher value, not because the suppressor would see that much
current, but higher current is generally tied to a higher energy (Joule)
rating which gives a longer life.
Not only does that protector not
even claim to protect. It may also create these scary pictures:
http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=556&parent=554

The hanford link is about "some older model" power strips and says
overheating was fixed with a revision to UL1449 that requires thermal
disconnects in the US. That was 1998. It is probable that the UK has
also fixed overheating.
But then we have another and the most obvious
reason why it does not even claim to protect. Where is the dedicated
connection to the building earth ground rod? Where does the
manufacturer discuss earthing? No earth ground means no effective
protection.

w_ has a religious belief (immune from challenge) that surge protection
must use earthing. Thus in his view plug-in suppressors (which are not
well earthed) can not possibly work. The IEEE guide explains plug-in
suppressors work by CLAMPING the voltage on all wires (signal and power)
to the common ground at the suppressor. Plug-in suppressors do not work
primarily by earthing (or stopping or absorbing). The guide explains
earthing occurs elsewhere. (Read the guide starting pdf page 40).

Note that all interconnected equipment needs to be connected to the same
plug-in suppressor, or interconnecting wires need to go through the
suppressor. External connections, like phone, also need to go through
the suppressor. Connecting all wiring through the suppressor prevents
damaging voltages between power and signal wires. These multiport
suppressors are described in both guides. Your 2nd suppressor has ports
for phone and antenna.

According to NIST guide, US insurance information indicates equipment
most frequently damaged by lightning is
computers with a modem connection
TVs, VCRs and similar equipment (presumably with cable TV
connections).
All can be damaged by high voltages between power and signal wires.



Service panel suppressors are a good idea.
The NIST guide's comments:
"Q - Will a surge protector installed at the service entrance be
sufficient for the whole house?
A - There are two answers to than question: Yes for one-link appliances,
No for two-link appliances [equipment connected to power AND phone or
CATV or....]. Since most homes today have some kind of two-link
appliances, the prudent answer to the question would be NO - but that
does not mean that a surge protector installed at the service entrance
is useless."

Summarizing ways to protect against surges, the IEEE guide says:
"The previous sections have shown, in general, how to protect electronic
systems in houses:
1) Proper grounding and bonding, especially at the service entrance.
2) AC panel and primary signal surge protection at or near the service
entrance.
3) Multi-port plug-in protectors near the equipment to be protected."

thanks for all the info.. Regarding belkin, i had forgotton about
belkin. i had heard that they had a good range of such things.

They sell multi port plug in protectors - multi plug things..

I guess Kony has a point about getting a single one and plugging a
multi into it. What do you think? I don't know of belkin selling such
things though..
 
plug/outlet into it.

it's for a home with a few computers. Less than 1000 pounds worth of
equipment.

I don't want to spend more than 100 pounds on this surge protector.

What protects your furnace? Dishwasher? Life critical items such
as the RCD and smoke detector? Any surge permitted into the home will
seek earth ground destructively. Surges that are earthed where they
enter the home will not overwhelm protection that is already inside
all those appliances. Bud who promoted for plug-in manufacturers
provides the citation that says exactly what a protector does on page
17 of 24 of
http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/practiceguides/surgesfnl.pdf
A very important point to keep in mind is that your
surge protector will work by diverting the surges to
ground. The best surge protection in the world can
be useless if grounding is not done properly.

On page 6 (Adobe page 8 of 24) of
You cannot really suppress a surge altogether, nor
"arrest" it. What these protective devices do is
neither suppress nor arrest a surge, but simply
divert it to ground, where it can do no harm. So
a name that makes sense would be "surge diverter"
but it was not picked. So, for the rest of this
booklet, we will stick to the most popular "surge
protector".

Well where is the earth ground when the protector is adjacent to the
appliance? Surge is sometimes earthed through the appliance.
Obviously destructive. A typically destructive surge that is not
earthed where utilities enter the building will then find destructive
paths inside the house.

Provided were examples of the protector that has an earthing wire.
A connection that should be less than 3 meters. Notice how British
Telephone operates during every thunderstorm without damage. They put
a protector where the wires enter a building AND make that connection
to earth as short as possible. Separation between protector and
computer only adds to that protection. But the most important fact -
if a short earthing connection is not made where surge enters the
building, then an adjacent (plug-in) protector may earth that surge
destructively through adjacent appliances.

Surge earthed destructively through a TV is even demonstrated on
Page 42 Figure 8 of:
http://omegaps.com/Lightning Guide_FINALpublishedversion_May051.pdf

Why do you think that power strip has so few joules. They are not
selling effective protection. They are promoting a higher profit
margin. To be effective, the surge protector must "simply divert it
to ground, where it can do no harm. " Provided were examples.
Don't forget other computers including the clock radio. Don't forget
about electronics that are more important to your life such as smoke
detectors. The most important component is every surge protection
system is the earth ground. Protectors that forget to even claim
protection - they also don't have that earthing wire.

You have little choice. Waste money on a power strip that is also a
fire hazard. Or buy the protector that actually does provide
protection - the one with an earthing wire. The one that earths
before a surge can enter the building. The one that is effective -
does same as BT does - costs about one quid per protected appliance.
So what protects your mobile while it is charging?
 
I have been using computer since 70's and never owned any cheap/expensive
surge protector but cheapest extension cores with more outlets <bg>. Little
over a year ago, I got tired of power failure (just a quick switch) few
times a year during bad weather, I decided to buy a Bettery Backup for
around $50 (it was onsale) and it says it has built-in surge protector.

So ow I have the bests of both worlds "Battery Backup", "Surge Protector",

This salesman was selling purple cloth that eliminated malaria. He
said it scared away mosquitoes if hung over open windows. Anything
not written on spec sheets is irrelevant. See later paragraphs for
what they are really claiming.

View numeric spec sheets for UPS protection numbers. They can say
all they want. Only facts that matter are numbers on that spec
sheet. Notice: it does not list each type of surge AND protection
from that surge. Like the power strip protector, it does not even
claim to protect.

Then review its joules. 300 joules? That is near zero. But it is
not zero. So it is a protector. A near zero protector. So it
provides near zero protection from a type of surge that typically does
not do damage. Protection already inside appliances makes that type
of surge irrelevant. Notice how much they forget to mention. "It
provides protection" or "It provides near zero protection". They did
not lie.

UPS is only for battery backup. It does not protect hardware. Its
function is to protect data from blackouts and extreme brownouts.
Nothing more.

Your own numbers confirm it. Thirty years without damage. Well the
typically destructive surge - the one that overwhelms protection
inside appliances - occurs maybe once every seven years. In the UK,
that frequency is significantly less - as your own numbers show. We
install the inexpensive 'whole house' protector - just one - so that
everything is not overwhelmed by the rare surge. One 'whole house'
protector is the least expensive option. About one quid per
protected appliance.

The UPS has near zero protection. Near zero is sufficient to
trumpet *CONTAINS SURGE PROTECTION*. See numeric specification
sheet for reality in perspective.
 
how's this one
http://www.cybermarket.co.uk/ishop/923/shopscr5841.html

should I look for a particular make? or to avoid a particular make ?


there's one here i'm looking at, currently on ebay. It's more
expensive
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Power-Mul...hZ013QQcategoryZ96907QQtcZphotoQQcmdZViewItem

One with no surge absorber in would be safer.

does it matter which i get ?

Not much, theyre not much use. Any computer PSU has all the
protection it needs builtin.

One exception is when running off portable generators, where power
surges are a real issue.


NT
 
One with no surge absorber in would be safer.


Not much, theyre not much use. Any computer PSU has all the
protection it needs builtin.

One exception is when running off portable generators, where power
surges are a real issue.

NT

would a pico psu have the protection that a 300W PSU would have
http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f
?
it's a small PSU - fanless, no whine/high noise either. noiseless. It
plugs into the MBRD. An AC-DC adaptor - about 12V 10A - 120W plugs
into the PSU.

I think i heard that a PSU will cope fine with irregular power. And
the only thing a surge protector would help against, is the kind of
surge that'd blow the PSU, and depending on how well or badly the PSU
is built, potentially blow the MBRD and associated components too.

I also heard that power in the UK is very good. I haven't heard of
anybody having their PSU blow .
 
UPS is only for battery backup. It does not protect hardware. Its
function is to protect data from blackouts and extreme brownouts.
Nothing more.

You may be right, but I am not Battery Backup & Surge Protector experted
to confirm whatever Battery Backup says.

Or it has a LARGE "Battery Backup /\/ Surge Protection" printed across the
unit.
 
You get what you pay for...
A 'cheap' surge protector uses cheap parts which will NOT protect your
system from a voltage oversurge!
 
I think i heard that a PSU will cope fine with irregular power. And
the only thing a surge protector would help against, is the kind of
surge that'd blow the PSU, and depending on how well or badly the PSU
is built, potentially blow the MBRD and associated components too.

I also heard that power in the UK is very good. I haven't heard of
anybody having their PSU blow

Let's look at what a power supply must make irrelevant. For
example, this 120 volt UPS outputs, while in battery backup, is two
200 volt square waves with a spike of up to 270 volts between those
square waves. IOW when the UPS is in battery backup mode, a power
supply is suffering from some of the 'dirtiest' electricity. That
electricity is so 'dirty' as to maybe damage some small electric
motors. But electronic power supplies make that 'dirt' irrelevant.

A power supply is a complex unit with many functions. Those
multiple functions - even your little fanless unit - make AC input
power almost irrelevant to what happens on its DC outputs. As
meow2222 and others note, electronic appliances contain internal
protection. Protection that will not be overwhelmed by the rare and
massively destructive surge IF that surge is earthed before entering
the building. The destructive surge - one that may blow through (or
around) a power supply - is the one made irrelevant when earthed. How
do we make that one protector even better? Expand / upgrade its
earthing. See British Standard 6651 to appreciate the concept. Or
view this application note from an industry professional. Even
underground wires can carry a destructive surge into the building.
Even the underground wire must be earthed (either directly of through
a surge protector) before entering a building.
http://www.erico.com/public/library/fep/technotes/tncr002.pdf

Surges earthed before entering the building should not overwhelm
protection inside appliances.

When do you most need a smoke detector protected? During the rare
type of thunderstorm? Just another reason why electronics essential
to your safety require that one, simple, and properly earthed
protector. Installed for the rare but so destructive event.
 
how's this onehttp://www.cybermarket.co.uk/ishop/923/shopscr5841.html

should I look for a particular make? or to avoid a particular make ?

there's one here i'm looking at, currently on ebay. It's more
expensivehttp://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Power-Multi-Plug-Index-6-Socket-Surge-Prote...

does it matter which i get ?

for the sake of ebay and google, i'll mention that these things are
also found looking for somethling like 6 way extension lead.
 
would a pico psu have the protection that a 300W PSU would have
http://www.mini-box.com/s.nl/it.A/id.417/.f
?
it's a small PSU - fanless, no whine/high noise either. noiseless. It
plugs into the MBRD. An AC-DC adaptor - about 12V 10A - 120W plugs
into the PSU.

No, if you plug a non-regulated AC-DC adapter into it, then
as a surge comes in the DC voltage proportionately rises and
could cause damage. However, since the Pico is a regulated
switcher, it should shut down in a few ms, but so it is with
any PSU... typically you aren't getting the surges in on the
PSU rails, into the system, they're coming on across
externally connected equipment.
I think i heard that a PSU will cope fine with irregular power.

yes, no, and maybe.

A surge can easily fry the chopper transisters in a PSU. A
PSU can tolerate a reasonable amount of input voltage swing
and keep working, such as a mild brownout or moderate spike,
but not the kind of events one is trying to protect against
with a surge protector.

And
the only thing a surge protector would help against, is the kind of
surge that'd blow the PSU, and depending on how well or badly the PSU
is built, potentially blow the MBRD and associated components too.

It's quite easy to have a surge blow out a modem or NIC when
a system is connected to a surge protector. The question is
then, having the surge present in the PC, what further path
it takes and at what magnitude (since it takes several paths
toward earth ground).

However, yes the PSU is an added layer of insulation from
some types of damage, except that even as fast as it can
shut off, there will still be a few ms the voltage had to be
excessive for it to compensate in it's regulation, or shut
down if it couldn't do so fast enough.



I also heard that power in the UK is very good. I haven't heard of
anybody having their PSU blow .

Where would you hear of it? I don't hear of it much either,
in a geographically localized sense it's just not the kind
of thing you'd chat about over dinner, but through close
affiliation with a local computer shop, I bring home fried
PSU all the time.
 
Regarding belkin, i had forgotton about
belkin. i had heard that they had a good range of such things.

There are others. TripLite comes to mind.
They sell multi port plug in protectors - multi plug things..

Multiport is power outlets *plus* phone, cable, ....
When using a plug-in suppressor, all wires to protected equipment need
to go through the suppressor.

I guess Kony has a point about getting a single one and plugging a
multi into it. What do you think? I don't know of belkin selling such
things though..

I believe kony said a suppressor hard wired at the power service panel
and then plug-in suppressor. Power service panel suppressors are a good
idea.
 
w_tom said:
What protects your furnace? Dishwasher? Life critical items such
as the RCD and smoke detector?

Power service suppressors are a good idea.
US insurance information indicates the equipment most frequently damaged
by lightning in the US is computers and TV related that has both power
and signal connections. A power service surge suppressor may or may not
protect that equipment.
Bud who promoted for plug-in manufacturers

To quote w_ "It is an old political trick. When facts cannot be
challenged technically, then attack the messenger." My only association
with surge protectors is I have some.

With no technical arguments, w_ has to discredit those that oppose him
provides the citation that says exactly what a protector does on page
17 of 24 of

What does the NIST guide really say about plug-in suppressors?
They are "the easiest solution".
and:
"Q - Will a surge protector installed at the service entrance be
sufficient for the whole house?
A - There are two answers to than question: Yes for one-link appliances,
No for two-link appliances [equipment connected to power AND phone or
CATV or....]. Since most homes today have some kind of two-link
appliances, the prudent answer to the question would be NO - but that
does not mean that a surge protector installed at the service entrance
is useless."

Because plug-in suppressors violate w_'s religious belief in earthing
he has to twist what the NIST guide says about them.

then an adjacent (plug-in) protector may earth that surge
destructively through adjacent appliances.
Surge earthed destructively through a TV is even demonstrated on
Page 42 Figure 8 of:
http://omegaps.com/Lightning Guide_FINALpublishedversion_May051.pdf

The illustration in the IEEE guide has a surge coming in on a cable
entry. There are 2 TVs, one is on a plug-in suppressor. The plug-in
suppressor protects TV1, connected to it.

Without the plug-in suppressor the surge voltage at TV2 is 10,000V. With
the suppressor at TV1 the voltage at TV2 is 8,000V. It is simply a lie
that the plug-in suppressor at TV1 in any way contributes to the damage
at TV2. The point of the illustration for the IEEE, and anyone who can
think, is "to protect TV2, a second multiport protector located at TV2
is required."

The cable and phone building entry protectors must connect with a
*short* wire to the earth electrode wire at the power service. A short
wire keeps the potential at the power and phone and cable ‘grounds’ the
same. In the IEEE example the ‘ground’ wire from the cable entry
protector is too long. That allows 10,000V to develop between the cable
and power wires. The IEEE guide says in that case "the only effective
way of protecting the equipment is to use a multiport protector." The
IEEE guide says even 10 foot connecting wire is too long (pdf page 38).

w_ says suppressors must only be at the service panel. In this example a
service panel suppressor would provide absolutely *NO* protection.

Because plug-in suppressors violate w_'s religious belief in earthing
he has to twist what the IEEE guide says about them.
Why do you think that power strip has so few joules. They are not
selling effective protection.

No Joule ratings were provided. Plug-in suppressors are available with
ratings from junk to very high.
Protectors that forget to even claim
protection - they also don't have that earthing wire.

The IEEE guide explains that plug-in suppressors work primarily by
clamping the voltage on all wires to the common ground at the
suppressor. They do not work by earthing.

Waste money on a power strip that is also a
fire hazard.

A lie. Overheating was fixed in 1998 in the US, as w_’s hanford link
has said.


Everyone is in favor of earthing. The only question is whether plug-in
suppressors work. Both the IEEE and NIST guides say plug-in suppressors
are effective. Read the sources.

w_ has never found a link to a source that says plug-in suppressors are
NOT effective.

And w_ has never answered simple questions:
- Why do the only 2 examples of protection in the IEEE guide use plug-in
suppressors?
- Why does the NIST guide says plug-in suppressors are "the easiest
solution"?
- How would a service panel suppressor provide any protection in the
IEEE example, pdf page 42?

–-
bud--
 
I also heard that power in the UK is very good. I haven't heard of
anybody having their PSU blow .

much less prone that US supplies, which tend to traverse longer
distances on a continent with much more thunderstorms.


NT
 
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