International Paper Explained!

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Richard Steinfeld

Listen-up, people.

First of all, thanks to everyone who has given me tips about my inkjets,
especially paper. You know, I went into Staples and discovered that they
have this paper and that paper (lots of thises and thatses). A puzzle is
that the only paper that they sell specifically for inkjets is in the HP
brand, and it's all 24 pound. There's an "all in one" paper that's 22
pound, the only 22# paper I've ever seen, and it seems to be a good idea.

There's also a Staples-brand paper that's sort-of for inkjets, but it
didn't seem trustworthy to me, nor did it seem to be a good value.

For my laser (LED) Okidata, I have been happy using Hammermill Copy Plus
20# for a few years. For me, it's the perfect balance between price and
performance in a laser printer. It's good, inexpensive, and feeds well.

Hammermill is owned by International Paper.

Yesterday, I bought three packs of HP "Color Inkjet" paper. It's on sale
at Office Depot right now (here in Northern California): the usual deal:
three packs for the price of two. That brings it down under $4 per ream:
not bad.

I mean, dig it: since when is Hewlett-Packard a paper manufacturer?
Guess what: HP paper is "made and distributed by International Paper."
It says so right on the package.
Hey y'all: it's all the same company!!!

No wonder that Staples doesn't sell "Hammermill" inkjet paper. It's
because HP paper _is_ Hammermill paper. Looked at another way,
Hammermill inkjet paper exists; just that it doesn't say "Hammermill" on
it; it says "HP." The HP name is used under license only.

Now, unfortunately, we're living in a time when a brand name is
sometimes just a bug that's stuck on someone else's product: it doesn't
mean anything. I have an "IBM" power strip that's really Jasco. I have a
GE phone headset that's really Jasco. There are a bunch of "RCA"
products at Radio Shack that have zilch to do with RCA -- they're
totally Tandy products with the RCA bug on them; and they're totally
Radio Shack quality. And, in fact, both GE and RCA consumer electronic
goods have been wholly-owned by Thomson (a French company manufacturing
mostly in Korea, and then China) for over 20 years.
I recently bought an RCA CD clock radio. It's a genuine Thomson product.
There's no support whatsoever: zilch. The web site only sells
televisions (other links don't work). There's no phone number, except an
obscure one for TVs.
But you can still find non-TV products at retail outlets: Weird.

And now, "HP" paper. Bullcrap!
Except that it's probably good paper. Yup. The scam can be OK.
Weird.

I wonder what Measkite will say about this. I mean, it's the reverse of
his mantra. Here we have a "genuine" HP product that's made by an imposter.
Voodoo!

Richard
 
Richard Steinfeld said:
No wonder that Staples doesn't sell "Hammermill" inkjet paper. It's
because HP paper _is_ Hammermill paper. Looked at another way, Hammermill
inkjet paper exists; just that it doesn't say "Hammermill" on it; it says
"HP." The HP name is used under license only.
Click to expand...

HP may be Hammermill, but Staples still sells Hammermill paper for inkjets.
I have a ream sitting on a shelf about three feet from me.
http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/s...=-1&productId=109087&cmArea=SC1:CG10:CL140781

International Paper is also one of the largest makers of photo paper for
inkjets also, making some of the major brands as well as their own line,
JetPrint Photo. Works well in my Canon printer. The paper made for other
brands is made to the specifications of that brand.
 
Edwin said:
HP may be Hammermill, but Staples still sells Hammermill paper for inkjets.
I have a ream sitting on a shelf about three feet from me.
http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/s...=-1&productId=109087&cmArea=SC1:CG10:CL140781
Click to expand...

It's not carried at my local Staples store. From the specs, it looks
like it may be identical to my HP paper, except that the Hammermill
lists some recycled content -- my HP paper does not.
International Paper is also one of the largest makers of photo paper for
inkjets also, making some of the major brands as well as their own line,
JetPrint Photo. Works well in my Canon printer. The paper made for other
brands is made to the specifications of that brand.
Click to expand...

This certainly makes sense. I am not aware of any forests owned by Canon
or Epson.

Richard
 
Richard said:
Listen-up, people.

First of all, thanks to everyone who has given me tips about my
inkjets, especially paper. You know, I went into Staples and
discovered that they have this paper and that paper (lots of thises
and thatses). A puzzle is that the only paper that they sell
specifically for inkjets is in the HP brand, and it's all 24 pound.
There's an "all in one" paper that's 22 pound, the only 22# paper I've
ever seen, and it seems to be a good idea.
Click to expand...


not true. for regular non photo paper they sell hammermill premium
inkjet bright white. this is terriffic and i buy is at staples all of
the time. they also sell hp, epson, and canon photo paper.
There's also a Staples-brand paper that's sort-of for inkjets, but it
didn't seem trustworthy to me, nor did it seem to be a good value.

For my laser (LED) Okidata, I have been happy using Hammermill Copy
Plus 20# for a few years. For me, it's the perfect balance between
price and performance in a laser printer. It's good, inexpensive, and
feeds well.

Hammermill is owned by International Paper.

Yesterday, I bought three packs of HP "Color Inkjet" paper. It's on
sale at Office Depot right now (here in Northern California): the
usual deal: three packs for the price of two. That brings it down
under $4 per ream: not bad.

I mean, dig it: since when is Hewlett-Packard a paper manufacturer?
Guess what: HP paper is "made and distributed by International Paper."
It says so right on the package.
Hey y'all: it's all the same company!!!

No wonder that Staples doesn't sell "Hammermill" inkjet paper.
Click to expand...


there must be something wrong with your looking. as i said before i go
to many different staples and buy hammermill 24 lb premium inkjet paper
bright white all of the time and it is very good.
It's because HP paper _is_ Hammermill paper. Looked at another way,
Hammermill inkjet paper exists; just that it doesn't say "Hammermill"
on it; it says "HP." The HP name is used under license only.

Now, unfortunately, we're living in a time when a brand name is
sometimes just a bug that's stuck on someone else's product: it
doesn't mean anything. I have an "IBM" power strip that's really
Jasco. I have a GE phone headset that's really Jasco. There are a
bunch of "RCA" products at Radio Shack that have zilch to do with RCA
-- they're totally Tandy products with the RCA bug on them; and
they're totally Radio Shack quality. And, in fact, both GE and RCA
consumer electronic goods have been wholly-owned by Thomson (a French
company manufacturing mostly in Korea, and then China) for over 20 years.
I recently bought an RCA CD clock radio. It's a genuine Thomson
product. There's no support whatsoever: zilch. The web site only sells
televisions (other links don't work). There's no phone number, except
an obscure one for TVs.
But you can still find non-TV products at retail outlets: Weird.

And now, "HP" paper. Bullcrap!
Except that it's probably good paper. Yup. The scam can be OK.
Weird.

I wonder what Measkite will say about this.
Click to expand...

you do not know what you are talking about. staples sells hammermill
premium inkjet paper all of the time. occassionally they give a
discount if you buy two reams.
 
"not true. for regular non photo paper they sell hammermill premium
inkjet bright white. this is terriffic and i buy is at staples all of
the time. they also sell hp, epson, and canon photo paper.

"there must be something wrong with your looking. as i said before i go
to many different staples and buy hammermill 24 lb premium inkjet paper
bright white all of the time and it is very good.

"you do not know what you are talking about. staples sells hammermill
premium inkjet paper all of the time. occassionally they give a
discount if you buy two reams."

Oh, measekite; in addition to lousy punctution and determined
non-capitalization (you really should learn and then apply the rules of
English writing -- beginning sentences with lower case impresses other
people as stupid), you are guilty, repeatedly, of making generalizations
on the basis of partial information, and then pounding those
generalizations to death over and over and over (like you do based on a
limited range of ink brands).

Staples, like many chains, sells different merchandise in different
regions of the country. Your grand pronouncements are based on the
partial information that is true at Staples stores where you live, but
not where I live. Staples here does not sell Canon nor Epson paper.

Learn to open your mind before opening your mouth.

Richard
 
Richard,

You are making a LOT of assumptions here. Yes, HP doesn't make paper,
in fact, neither does Canon, Epson or any of the inkjet manufacturers.
They all contract out to paper mills or fine art paper mills, or coating
companies. Does that mean that al the paper is the same? Hardly.
International paper makes paper for literally dozens if not hundreds of
brand names, including Hammermill.

When you go into the grocery store you may see cornflakes made by
KellTrees (the name was changed to protect the innocent or guilty). You
may also see cornflakes under a "no name brand" or some other name. In
fact, both may be made in KellTrees' factory, but that doesn't mean they
are identical product. No name brand cornflakes may have a different
grade of corn used, more or less sugar, preservatives to further shelf
life because they only contract KellTrees to make their product once
every 6 months, while KellTrees makes cornflakes every day under their
own branding.

The same holds true for paper products. There are many different
components to making paper. The pulp fibers may be longer or shorter,
they may be bleached or use optical brighteners, sizing to change the
surface or absorption, etc. Believe me, HP contracts specific paper
qualities to work best with their inks.

I use literally hundreds of papers, made by a few dozen mills that I
know of, and they have many differing qualities in terms of how they
respond to both laser and inkjet printing. I would be fairly surprised
if the HP bond paper you have purchased is identical to any of the other
International Paper Product papers, let alone Hammermill branded products.

That doesn't mean HP bond paper is necessarily the best on the market
for that type, just that it is probably unique.


Art
 
That's exactly right. Staples carries HP, Hammermill, and their own house
brand. These commodity inkjet and laser papers vary by recycled content,
weight, caliper, brightness, shade, and smoothness. Pick the one that
looks, feels, and works best with your printer. You can call HP or IP to
get specifications and 10 sheet sample packs, and I've seen a Staples sample
pack at the store.
 
Arthur said:
Richard,

You are making a LOT of assumptions here. Yes, HP doesn't make paper,
in fact, neither does Canon, Epson or any of the inkjet manufacturers.
They all contract out to paper mills or fine art paper mills, or coating
companies. Does that mean that al the paper is the same? Hardly.
International paper makes paper for literally dozens if not hundreds of
brand names, including Hammermill.
Click to expand...

You're right -- I expressed this improperly.
What I should have said is that in my local Staples outlet, the HP line
of inkjet papers takes the position of what would be a line of
Hammermill inkjet papers (no other inkjet papers are offered, except one
house brand item).

One curio that I found at the closest Best Buy store was a 22-pound HP
paper "for all-in-one machines." It's said to be good for both inkjet
and laser machines. This sounds contradictory to me.

Richard

Richard
 
Richard Steinfeld said:
One curio that I found at the closest Best Buy store was a 22-pound HP
paper "for all-in-one machines." It's said to be good for both inkjet and
laser machines. This sounds contradictory to me.
Click to expand...

It will work, the questions is how well. I've used all sorts of paper in my
inkjet at work because it was primarily stuff that is used and tossed at the
end of a shift. It does not look as nice as using a 24# bright inkjet
paper though. It serves a purpose cheaply. We use the same cheap paper in
one of the lasers also, because a packing list does not require much beauty.
 
Richard said:
"not true. for regular non photo paper they sell hammermill premium
inkjet bright white. this is terriffic and i buy is at staples all of
the time. they also sell hp, epson, and canon photo paper.

"there must be something wrong with your looking. as i said before i
go to many different staples and buy hammermill 24 lb premium inkjet
paper bright white all of the time and it is very good.

"you do not know what you are talking about. staples sells hammermill
premium inkjet paper all of the time. occassionally they give a
discount if you buy two reams."
Click to expand...
snip irrelevant to conversation
.

Staples, like many chains, sells different merchandise in different
regions of the country. Your grand pronouncements are based on the
partial information that is true at Staples stores where you live, but
not where I live. Staples here does not sell Canon nor Epson paper.

Learn to open your mind before opening your mouth.
Click to expand...


:-D :-D :-D



maybe you should. staples.com is part of staples. there is one
staples.com for all of staples. here is the entry from staples.com.

this is probably in your store also. most staples have a special order
desk and they can get anything that staples.com has and have it
delievered to the store.

HammerMill® Ultra Premium Inkjet Paper, 8 1/2" x 11", Ream
<http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/s...10051&langId=-1&productId=89733&cmArea=SEARCH>


* 24 lb.
* 96 US /107+ Euro Bright
* Heavy, uncoated sheets optimize ink absorption and dry time

Expected Delivery
<javascript:pop('/sbd/content/help/using/delivery_policy_popup.html','',
1);>1 Business Day
*$6.89* 500/Ream
select to
compare Qty.
Add to Cart
<javascript:addSingleItemtoCart('http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/s...&ST_minLeadTime_1=1&catalogId=10051&langId=-1',
'document.searchResultsForm.quantity_1',
'document.searchResultsForm.partNumber_1',
'document.searchResultsForm.catentryId_1','document.searchResultsForm.cmArea_1','N')>
Add to Favorites
<javascript:addSingleItemToFavorites('http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/s...&ST_minLeadTime_1=1&catalogId=10051&langId=-1',
'511242' , 89733)>

* Letter Size (8.5" x 11")
 
Arthur said:
Richard,

You are making a LOT of assumptions here. Yes, HP doesn't make paper,
in fact, neither does Canon, Epson or any of the inkjet manufacturers.
They all contract out to paper mills or fine art paper mills, or
coating companies. Does that mean that al the paper is the same?
Hardly. International paper makes paper for literally dozens if not
hundreds of brand names, including Hammermill.
Click to expand...

international paper does not make anything for hammermill. they are
hammermill. the bought the corporation so hammermill is relegated to a
brand of international paper
 
Richard said:
You're right -- I expressed this improperly.
What I should have said is that in my local Staples outlet, the HP
line of inkjet papers takes the position of what would be a line of
Hammermill inkjet papers (no other inkjet papers are offered, except
one house brand item).
Click to expand...



not true either

HammerMill® Ultra Premium Inkjet Paper, 8 1/2" x 11", Ream
<http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/s...10051&langId=-1&productId=89733&cmArea=SEARCH>


* 24 lb.
* 96 US /107+ Euro Bright
* Heavy, uncoated sheets optimize ink absorption and dry time

Expected Delivery
<javascript:pop('/sbd/content/help/using/delivery_policy_popup.html','',
1);>1 Business Day
*$6.89* 500/Ream
select to
compare Qty.
Add to Cart
<javascript:addSingleItemtoCart('http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/s...&ST_minLeadTime_1=1&catalogId=10051&langId=-1',
'document.searchResultsForm.quantity_1',
'document.searchResultsForm.partNumber_1',
'document.searchResultsForm.catentryId_1','document.searchResultsForm.cmArea_1','N')>
Add to Favorites
<javascript:addSingleItemToFavorites('http://www.staples.com/webapp/wcs/s...&ST_minLeadTime_1=1&catalogId=10051&langId=-1',
'511242' , 89733)>

* Letter Size (8.5" x 11")



as you can see your local staples store can order this for you if they
are out of stock. anything on staples.com can be ordered and shipped to
the store. this came from staples.com

office deport and office max also carries this product.
 
measekite said:
international paper does not make anything for hammermill. they are
hammermill. the bought the corporation so hammermill is relegated to a
brand of international paper
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What????

I think your trying to say International Paper DOES NOT MAKE
Hammermill.

If Hammermill is a brand of International Paper...than International
Paper makes Hammermill.

This is exactly the inaccurate information you provide.

measekite you have 5500 post of uter stupidity. (your name needs no
capitalization, it's not PROPER)
 
measekite wrote: most staples have a special order
desk and they can get anything that staples.com has and have it
delievered to the store.
Click to expand...

I forgot. Who was it who answered me and called this guy a troll?

Richard
 
I've been using the HP 22# paper for years, and like you, I've never
seen any other 22# paper. I started buying it when OfficeMax had it on
sale in a 3 ream box. Fortunately for me it always went on sale again
about the time I'd need another box. Until now. I haven't seen the
three ream box at OfficeMax for a long time. OfficeDepot had three ream
boxes of HP paper on sale recently, but they were 20# paper.

I prefer the 22# paper because it does have a bit of extra firmness to
it, and the brightness is fine.

Bernie
 
Black and white laser printers are the "pigs" of the industry. What I
mean by that is they are not all that picky about what they need to
print on. I run all sorts of junk scrap paper through my laser printers
and most of it is just fine for fusing black toner to. Certainly, some
paper reproduces better than other, but it is very rare that it doesn't
function with most paper.

Inkjet printers require paper quoits that if not there can produce a bit
of a mess. To contain the ink, most bond inkjet paper uses short fibber
pulp, and they use some type of sizing to better control the paper
surface. But any reasonably smooth paper will work in a laser, and most
inkjet bond paper will work just fine in laser printing.

So although most UNCOATED inkjet (bond) papers will work fine in lasers,
the opposite may not be true.

Art
 
Ian, he is just playing with semantics.

He's saying that since Hammermill is now "part of" International Paper
Products, IPP isn't making paper products "for" Hammermill, IPP is
making paper for themselves, including as Hammermill, which is part of
their company now.

Art
 
Now, unfortunately, we're living in a time when a brand name is
sometimes just a bug that's stuck on someone else's product: it doesn't
mean anything. I have an "IBM" power strip that's really Jasco. I have a
GE phone headset that's really Jasco. There are a bunch of "RCA"
products at Radio Shack that have zilch to do with RCA -- they're
totally Tandy products with the RCA bug on them; and they're totally
Radio Shack quality. And, in fact, both GE and RCA consumer electronic
goods have been wholly-owned by Thomson (a French company manufacturing
mostly in Korea, and then China) for over 20 years.
I recently bought an RCA CD clock radio. It's a genuine Thomson product.
There's no support whatsoever: zilch. The web site only sells
televisions (other links don't work). There's no phone number, except an
obscure one for TVs.
But you can still find non-TV products at retail outlets: Weird.
Click to expand...

Ain't that true. Zenith used to mean something, since they went under
some Asian conglomerate owns the name an imports TVs and things with the
Zenith brand. Same for Westinghouse and Sylvania (home electronics
anyway).
 
Arthur said:
Ian, he is just playing with semantics.
Click to expand...

Arthur, he is just playing with DRUGS.
He's saying that since Hammermill is now "part of" International Paper
Products, IPP isn't making paper products "for" Hammermill, IPP is
making paper for themselves, including as Hammermill, which is part of
their company now.
Click to expand...

I don't see where I needed this explanation. My statement was very
clear, I will repeat it for you again.
international paper does not make anything for hammermill. they are
hammermill. the bought the corporation so hammermill is relegated to a
brand of international paper
Click to expand...

Ian wrote:
What????

I think your trying to say International Paper DOES NOT MAKE
Hammermill.

If Hammermill is a brand of International Paper...than International
Paper makes Hammermill.
 
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