IM puzzled!

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Julian Hales

Hi everyone.

I had a mobo failure, so had to knock up another old computer but got some
issues

HAD

AMD 350
128 ram
3gb IDE
1 SCSI
1 SCSI
1 SCSI
PCI NIC
SCSI card
AGP gfx
PCI gfx (i love dual monitors)


ANyway.......now

Pent 300mhz
New IDE C (fresh SE install)
D is old IDE so i can back up things i need then remove.
1 SCSI
1 SCSI
1 SCSI
ISA NIC
same AGP
same PCI gfx

Things i have noticed

i often swap or store data on the scsi drives over my lan, say download
programmes, store on a scsi before sending to other pc's trouble is now
when i click 'save' to download it freezes for ages, maybe a min or crash.
not instant like it used too.

Also the pci card when i downloaded the correct drivers states cannot
operate in dual mode(2 outputs) in system its flagged as i need MDS i only
want per gfx card, in display settings there is no mention of the pci card.
could it be a IRQ thing? In the old pc if i try to add a sound card that
caused problems and a 2nd scsi card, guess that was too much IRQ.

It maybe just me but the computer feels slower, esp transfering data, i know
50mhz isnt much but whats the actual differance between a AMD350 and Pent X
300mhz? actually its a 450mhz but in a mobo that wont accept it, came with
233 orig. I looked at google but said no way could i get the 450, sorry im
not up on Pent hardware.

Thanks for any help.
 
It maybe just me but the computer feels slower, esp transfering data, i
know
50mhz isnt much but whats the actual differance between a AMD350 and Pent
X
300mhz? actually its a 450mhz but in a mobo that wont accept it, came with
233 orig. I looked at google but said no way could i get the 450, sorry
im
not up on Pent hardware.
Click to expand...
Sounds like an LX chipset? The drop from 100MHz to 66MHz on the FSB would
explain that.
Thanks for any help.
Click to expand...
You might want to consider getting a new PC. For less than £100 you should
be able to get a Duron 1.8, Sparkle mobo and 256Mb of RAM.
I have nothing agaist older PC's [i have a dual 233 with 512MB server] but
if youre using dual screens, then you probly should upgrade a little.

hamman
 
Hi everyone.

I had a mobo failure, so had to knock up another old computer but got some
issues

HAD

AMD 350
128 ram
3gb IDE
1 SCSI
1 SCSI
1 SCSI
PCI NIC
SCSI card
AGP gfx
PCI gfx (i love dual monitors)


ANyway.......now

Pent 300mhz
New IDE C (fresh SE install)
D is old IDE so i can back up things i need then remove.
1 SCSI
1 SCSI
1 SCSI
ISA NIC
same AGP
same PCI gfx

Things i have noticed

i often swap or store data on the scsi drives over my lan, say download
programmes, store on a scsi before sending to other pc's trouble is now
when i click 'save' to download it freezes for ages, maybe a min or crash.
not instant like it used too.
Click to expand...

I suppose you're running an operating system, but you don't
mention it. You might need drivers, like chipset drivers, or
motherboard bios changes. Freezing can also be caused by damaged
or poorly connected data cables to drives.

Also the pci card when i downloaded the correct drivers states cannot
operate in dual mode(2 outputs) in system its flagged as i need MDS i only
want per gfx card, in display settings there is no mention of the pci card.
Click to expand...

Using same driver you used previously for the PCI card, and same
OS config, it should again work as 2nd display. Look at where
you've done something differently, there is nothing in particular
about a Pentium II platform that would prevent running PCI card
as 2nd display, and if anything the P2 platform is more
compatible than the K6 was.

You might also try a different PCI slot and a motherboard bios
update if you can find one.

could it be a IRQ thing? In the old pc if i try to add a sound card that
caused problems and a 2nd scsi card, guess that was too much IRQ.
Click to expand...

Strip system down to only minimal components and add back parts
one at a time, verifying that each works properly before adding
next part.

It maybe just me but the computer feels slower, esp transfering data, i know
50mhz isnt much but whats the actual differance between a AMD350 and Pent X
300mhz?
Click to expand...


Did you install chipset driver for motherboard (if needed)?

It may be a little slower, a Pentium 2 450 may have slower L2
cache timings and now it's running on a 66MHz FSB & Memory. Even
so, the data transfer sluggishness is probably unrelated to that,
considering the age of the other parts.
actually its a 450mhz but in a mobo that wont accept it, came with
233 orig. I looked at google but said no way could i get the 450, sorry im
not up on Pent hardware.
Click to expand...

Beyond this issue of having to run it slower than spec'd speed,
there is nothing particularlly different about setting up that
old board. Double-check all basic things like OS & driver
support for all parts, cables and plugs, etc.
 
kony said:
I suppose you're running an operating system, but you don't
mention it. You might need drivers, like chipset drivers, or
motherboard bios changes. Freezing can also be caused by damaged
or poorly connected data cables to drives.
Click to expand...

SE

The when i want to save a file from dowloading happens on ide and scsi
drives.
card.

Using same driver you used previously for the PCI card, and same
OS config, it should again work as 2nd display. Look at where
you've done something differently, there is nothing in particular
about a Pentium II platform that would prevent running PCI card
as 2nd display, and if anything the P2 platform is more
compatible than the K6 was.
Click to expand...

I need to locate the exact file i used prior, it was the ones i downloaded
that seem to cause the trouble.
You might also try a different PCI slot and a motherboard bios
update if you can find one.
Click to expand...

thought about that.
Strip system down to only minimal components and add back parts
one at a time, verifying that each works properly before adding
next part.




Did you install chipset driver for motherboard (if needed)?
Click to expand...

nope, never had a pent system up and running, thought SE did all that.
It may be a little slower, a Pentium 2 450 may have slower L2
cache timings and now it's running on a 66MHz FSB & Memory. Even
so, the data transfer sluggishness is probably unrelated to that,
considering the age of the other parts.


Beyond this issue of having to run it slower than spec'd speed,
there is nothing particularlly different about setting up that
old board. Double-check all basic things like OS & driver
support for all parts, cables and plugs, etc.
Click to expand...

yes it runs at 66, i was surprised at that. thought it may have been 100
like the old AMD350.
 
Hamman said:
Sounds like an LX chipset? The drop from 100MHz to 66MHz on the FSB would
explain that.
Click to expand...

yes LX, new stuff to me I forgot that the old machine was 100mhz and the
Pent was 66mhz. I didnt think a straight proccessing speed drop would equal
such a reduction.

Thanks for any help.
Click to expand...
You might want to consider getting a new PC. For less than £100 you should
be able to get a Duron 1.8, Sparkle mobo and 256Mb of RAM.
I have nothing agaist older PC's [i have a dual 233 with 512MB server] but
if youre using dual screens, then you probly should upgrade a little.

hamman
Click to expand...

I have a much faster pc i use for gaming, i also run a Pent 525 with XP,
sure its a bit o/c when i got it, got a 450 Pent and a v old AMD 333 which
was like a slug for some reason.

All this machine did was sit next to my games machine so i could monitor
emails, serve and store programmes for my other pc's and surf, THIS pc is ME
which i hate, so do all the surfing generally on the other, but the freezing
when i want to download is anoying big time.

I want to knock up a couple of older machines from spares, if i know a
machine is slow due to the max hardware i dont mind, but not when its due to
a problem or conflict.

Im going to use another machine for linux, its the same LX with another 450
chip (found out a celery i have doesnt work at all) which i guess will run
at 300mhz. They came with 233mhz chips. Googling said there was no way
around it.

The AMD350 that died served me well since 99 when new and cost a fortune, it
let me treat it rough and generally was ok. I recently thru out 3x 200mhz
Compaq machines, my GF made me and it was heartbreaking.
 
On Sat, 04 Sep 2004 05:31:43 GMT, "Julian Hales"


nope, never had a pent system up and running, thought SE did all that.
Click to expand...

SE would not have installed the chipset driver for your 350MHz
box, but does include support for the Intel 440LX chipset boards,
which is what I presume you have. No further drivers relating to
the motherboard would be needed, unless it also had integrated
sound or some other unusual feature.


yes it runs at 66, i was surprised at that. thought it may have been 100
like the old AMD350.
Click to expand...

It's a year older... around the time of the AMD 350MHz the intel
alternative was the BX chipset, which did support 100MHz FSB.

There's probably something I"m missing but don't know what...
though by this point the board might even be old enough that it's
starting to fail, I'd try it without the 2nd PCI card and use a
PATA hard drive instead of the SCSI to test the board, then add
those parts back later.
 
SE would not have installed the chipset driver for your 350MHz
box, but does include support for the Intel 440LX chipset boards,
which is what I presume you have. No further drivers relating to
the motherboard would be needed, unless it also had integrated
sound or some other unusual feature.
Click to expand...

No i just rebooted and BX ver:B_0
It's a year older... around the time of the AMD 350MHz the intel
alternative was the BX chipset, which did support 100MHz FSB.
Click to expand...

I just got a black screen with Windows Protection Error, and
again...............

Also now for some reason its giving a error on scsi card bios, not
recognising the 3 drives, its bootup ok in safe mode. I did a fresh install
rather than just boot up the orig drive from the AMD machine.
There's probably something I"m missing but don't know what...
though by this point the board might even be old enough that it's
starting to fail, I'd try it without the 2nd PCI card and use a
PATA hard drive instead of the SCSI to test the board, then add
those parts back later.
Click to expand...

I found the origonally used pci gfx drivers i backed up and storeed on THIS
pc, im gonna transfer then when i get the old bugger to work.



(scsi drives kicked in this time and booted ok)


Get Updating ESCD, it used to say that too on the old machine.
 
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Well i just transferd the gfx card drivers that i used in the old machine,
staight from a folder of all backed up drivers, a cirrus logic 5462 pci,
installed, rebooted and i checked display settings, only agp, went to system
info and again its flagging a error, stating your computers display drivers
will not work with multiple display support.

got me stumped......
 
No i just rebooted and BX ver:B_0
Click to expand...

I don't know about your other problems but if it's a BX chipset
board, it will run the 450MHz CPU at 450MHz, is not necessary to
run at 300MHz. Perhaps there is a jumper or bios setting you've
missed. Perhaps there are other jumper or bios menu settings
also missed that are contributing to instability.
 
kony said:
I don't know about your other problems but if it's a BX chipset
board, it will run the 450MHz CPU at 450MHz, is not necessary to
run at 300MHz. Perhaps there is a jumper or bios setting you've
missed. Perhaps there are other jumper or bios menu settings
also missed that are contributing to instability.
Click to expand...

thanks i just checked the other machine( saved from the tip together) inside
case on mobo layout states AL440LX so i guess that is stuck at 66mhz FSB,
but hopefully i can crank the other to 100hz to X the 4.5

Only ever flashed one bios, on a couple of year old AMD which went ok.

That machine at the end gvae me headaches when it said it coulndt read the
boot c drive, im now installing a blank identical drive. I took a good look
around the bios which is quite differant to what im used too.

Let you know if i find the jumpers to increase to 100mhz fsb

thanks again
 
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