IDE Raid-1

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I need to implement a simple raid-1 array running under DOS, in an ISA slot.
Does anybody know if such a controller still exists, ho w expensive and
where to buy?
TIA
 
Not to mention an ISA slot has like no bandwidth. Im assuming its not enough
for 2 drives, even for security.
 
Not to mention an ISA slot has like no bandwidth. Im assuming its not enough
for 2 drives, even for security.

It'd work (very slowly) with old enough drives, maybe some
of them even had bios updates to support over 32GB but I
didn't keep track for that long after PCI became the clear
choice,

Googling does turn up a few of them though, for example
Googling for "Promise ISA RAID" found several including this
page,
http://www.bizrate.com/buy/products__att36--408-,cat_id--480.html
 
You sure of this?

I think I'm missing something.

Googling turns up either "promise raid" "is a" like results or when
searching using quotes only this thread mirrored elsewhere.

All I see in your bizweb link are non-raid isa promise cards (EIDE PRO
and EIDE MAX II). Is there a dos software raid program one can use?
From what I remember ISA controllers were really old even when the 8GB
barrier was being dealt with. I don't see over 32GB support as likely.

I can't remember much or really any kind of ATA HW raid before ATA
33/66. Even then it was really "first to market" stuff. My gut tells
me there is no such animal or it would be really hard to find.
Could you give us a specific model, Kony?
 
You sure of this?

I think I'm missing something.

Googling turns up either "promise raid" "is a" like results or when
searching using quotes only this thread mirrored elsewhere.

All I see in your bizweb link are non-raid isa promise cards (EIDE PRO
and EIDE MAX II). Is there a dos software raid program one can use?

I'm not sure, might be wrong. The general concept of using
a search engine might still apply though.
 
kony said:
I'm not sure, might be wrong. The general concept of using
a search engine might still apply though.

I am quite familier with the concept of a search engine. Searched and
searched, can't seem to get an answer. Lets try a different angle. I have
heard differing opinions regarding PCI bus compatibility. Will a computer
see a card on the PCI bus if it is not running Windows or Linux? IE, can I
use a PC which has PCI slots, running just DOS (JUST DOS, not a DOS
window.), and get a PCI raid controller to work without software drivers?
 
I am quite familier with the concept of a search engine. Searched and
searched, can't seem to get an answer. Lets try a different angle. I have
heard differing opinions regarding PCI bus compatibility. Will a computer
see a card on the PCI bus if it is not running Windows or Linux? IE, can I
use a PC which has PCI slots, running just DOS (JUST DOS, not a DOS
window.), and get a PCI raid controller to work without software drivers?

Yes, there is no reason PCI bus is anything but a benefit,
avoid ISA cards if possible... I'd thought for some reason
you felt forced to use an ISA card.

You should get a hardware based card.
 
I am quite familier with the concept of a search engine. Searched and
searched, can't seem to get an answer.

Don't be offended it's just a lame attempt at covering up his goof. I
don't think there is really anything to find either.
Lets try a different angle. I have
heard differing opinions regarding PCI bus compatibility. Will a computer
see a card on the PCI bus if it is not running Windows or Linux? IE, can I
use a PC which has PCI slots, running just DOS (JUST DOS, not a DOS
window.), and get a PCI raid controller to work without software drivers?

Dos can't share IRQ's so you may encounter a problem that moving a
card or disabling a device or a BIOS option 'may' solve. Full native
Dos support is spotty across cards. Success may depend more on a
particular card or driver (if needed) than the bus per se.

However I wouldn't be scared. In all likelihood it really 'should'
work without any fuss with a half decent card.
 
Curious said:
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Dos can't share IRQ's so you may encounter a problem that moving a
card or disabling a device or a BIOS option 'may' solve. Full
native Dos support is spotty across cards. Success may depend more
on a particular card or driver (if needed) than the bus per se.

Dos (assuming you mean MsDos) can share IRQs perfectly well. The
thing that can't, due to poor design, is the original ISA bus,
which prevents sharing across cards. It is perfectly possible to
design hardware on a single card which uses only one IRQ to handle
multiple channels.
 
Dos (assuming you mean MsDos) can share IRQs perfectly well. The
thing that can't, due to poor design, is the original ISA bus,
which prevents sharing across cards. It is perfectly possible to
design hardware on a single card which uses only one IRQ to handle
multiple channels.

I think I should clarify my comment. My understanding of dos is that
it makes no attempt to manage hardware esp not HW
addresses/assignments. That being said yes devices _can_ share IRQ's
under DOS as long as the drivers are written according to standards
and where a hardware register is used to pass the interrupt
sequentially to the linked drivers until the correct device is
reached. However this is usually not the case esp for very old HW (in
dos/ISA terms) & very new HW where little attention is paid to this
obsolete environment.

RAID cards are generally not intended for their primary use to be in
dos. There are multiple compatibility issues which reflect this.
IRQ's aside in actual use some work perfectly in dos without
additional software or effort, others need a driver or correct aspi
drivers, still others appear to work in dos easily but may have
problems with certain disk utility apps (which altering environment
variables may or may not help). This is also sometimes firmware level
related. Picking a card and asking users for specific experiences
with dos, ghost, etc may go a long way in helping to separate the
wheat from the chaff & ensure the greatest possibility of success.
From what I've seen simply having a PCI card will not guarantee
perfect & optimal operation in native dos - both including and beyond
potential IRQ & BIOS issues.
 
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