ICS No go :-(

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Host = Desktop ME
Client = Laptop 2000
Router = Belkin ADSL Modem with built in wireless router (Not using modem)
Configuration = Desktop connected to Belkin via Ethernet 802.11b, Laptop
connected to Belkin via D-Link wireless on 802.11g.

Belkin can see both machines, machines can both see each other and ping,
swap files etc.

Desktop can dial up internet, Laptop can dial up on own dialup connection,
but CAN'T share ME's connection.
I don't want ME to share 2000, rather 2000 to share ME

I tried installing Microsoft ICS, on the ME machine, went through ok and
icon appeared down the bottom as normal, but showed only one computer
connected. (the configuration disk it offers to make does not support 2000)

2000 machine has client for Microsoft, file and print sharing, net beui and
tcp/ip enable on the wireless card. TCP/IP is set to auto IP & DNS

I think it might be in the protocols somewhere, but I'm just getting
confused mucking around with them.

TAI for any help

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Southern Kiwi
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Southern said:
Host = Desktop ME
Client = Laptop 2000
Router = Belkin ADSL Modem with built in wireless router (Not using
modem)
Configuration = Desktop connected to Belkin via Ethernet 802.11b,
Laptop connected to Belkin via D-Link wireless on 802.11g.

Belkin can see both machines, machines can both see each other and
ping, swap files etc.

Desktop can dial up internet, Laptop can dial up on own dialup
connection, but CAN'T share ME's connection.
I don't want ME to share 2000, rather 2000 to share ME

I tried installing Microsoft ICS, on the ME machine, went through ok
and icon appeared down the bottom as normal, but showed only one
computer connected. (the configuration disk it offers to make does not
support 2000)

2000 machine has client for Microsoft, file and print sharing, net
beui and tcp/ip enable on the wireless card. TCP/IP is set to auto IP
& DNS

I think it might be in the protocols somewhere, but I'm just getting
confused mucking around with them.

TAI for any help
Click to expand...

I think the answer is that you are using a router and ICS doesn't work,
nor should you want to use it, with a router. Let the router do the
DHCP. Set both machines to get their IP address automagically via DHCP
from the router. Uninstall ICS. Now the router should be your gateway
(192.168.1.1 or whatever the Belkin default subnet is) and the machines
will be whatever the Belkin assigns them on the same subnet. They will
both have Internet access.

If you want to share files between the two machines, make sure you have
an account with a password on the ME box (even if you use TweakUI to
automatically log in) and that you create the same account and password
on the Win2k box. Use Client for Microsoft Networks on the ME box. You
don't need NetBEUI, only TCP/IP.

Malke
 
I think the answer is that you are using a router and ICS doesn't work,
nor should you want to use it, with a router. Let the router do the
DHCP. Set both machines to get their IP address automagically via DHCP
from the router. Uninstall ICS. Now the router should be your gateway
(192.168.1.1 or whatever the Belkin default subnet is) and the machines
will be whatever the Belkin assigns them on the same subnet. They will
both have Internet access.
Click to expand...

I think you might be missing the point that he is only using the
router to route to the wireless network (or, essentially as an AP),
NOT as a jetstream router etc. The internet comes in through the ME
box, and (rightly) needs to be distributed from their via ICS, rather
than from the router.

OP: Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Gurble said:
I think you might be missing the point that he is only using the
router to route to the wireless network (or, essentially as an AP),
NOT as a jetstream router etc. The internet comes in through the ME
box, and (rightly) needs to be distributed from their via ICS, rather
than from the router.

OP: Correct me if I'm wrong.
Click to expand...

Quite possibly you're right, but why would he do that if he has a
router? If it is the normal dsl wired/wireless router, why not use it
as such? Perhaps it isn't a real router? I'm not familiar with that
particular Belkin modem/router combo, but the ones I've seen (2Wire
modem/routers used in this area by SBC for their home networking setup
with their DSL, including the wireless segment) work as regular routers
and ICS isn't used.

It will be interesting to see more information from the OP.

Cheers,

Malke
 
Gurble said:
I think you might be missing the point that he is only using the
router to route to the wireless network (or, essentially as an AP),
NOT as a jetstream router etc. The internet comes in through the ME
box, and (rightly) needs to be distributed from their via ICS, rather
than from the router.

OP: Correct me if I'm wrong.
Click to expand...

You're right, I tried the suggestion you gave me earlier, but lost all
connectivity (I suspect due to IP issues) still working on it!
A question...If I set the router to the default 192.168.2.1, can I set the
ME gateway machine on 192.168.0.1 ? (I'm thinking the IP might be out of the
range)
Cheers
Paul
 
Quite possibly you're right, but why would he do that if he has a
router? If it is the normal dsl wired/wireless router, why not use it
as such? Perhaps it isn't a real router? I'm not familiar with that
particular Belkin modem/router combo, but the ones I've seen (2Wire
modem/routers used in this area by SBC for their home networking setup
with their DSL, including the wireless segment) work as regular routers
and ICS isn't used.

It will be interesting to see more information from the OP.
Click to expand...
He's in NZ, and here we use PPPoA for DSL, meaning that you need a
special router/modem to access it. In his case, it appears that his
router does not support PPPoA, meaning that he can only really use it
as an AP/Router to the WLAN, rather than as a router to DSL.

(Also, could you please leave nz.comp in the followups, as otherwise I
can't see anything anyone says when replying to you).
 
You're right, I tried the suggestion you gave me earlier, but lost all
connectivity (I suspect due to IP issues) still working on it!
A question...If I set the router to the default 192.168.2.1, can I set the
ME gateway machine on 192.168.0.1 ? (I'm thinking the IP might be out of the
range)
Cheers
Paul
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Hi, Paul.

The router needs to be on the same (sub)net as the rest of the
network, so it really needs to be 192.168.0.x.
 
You're right, I tried the suggestion you gave me earlier, but lost all
connectivity (I suspect due to IP issues) still working on it!
A question...If I set the router to the default 192.168.2.1, can I set the
ME gateway machine on 192.168.0.1 ? (I'm thinking the IP might be out of the
range)
Click to expand...

In that case, you would need to use 192.168.2.x for all the systems to be
served by the router. Keep them all on the same subnet.
 
Host = Desktop ME
Client = Laptop 2000
Router = Belkin ADSL Modem with built in wireless router (Not using modem)
Configuration = Desktop connected to Belkin via Ethernet 802.11b, Laptop
connected to Belkin via D-Link wireless on 802.11g.

Belkin can see both machines, machines can both see each other and ping,
swap files etc.

Desktop can dial up internet, Laptop can dial up on own dialup connection,
but CAN'T share ME's connection.
I don't want ME to share 2000, rather 2000 to share ME

I tried installing Microsoft ICS, on the ME machine, went through ok and
icon appeared down the bottom as normal, but showed only one computer
connected. (the configuration disk it offers to make does not support 2000)

2000 machine has client for Microsoft, file and print sharing, net beui and
tcp/ip enable on the wireless card. TCP/IP is set to auto IP & DNS

I think it might be in the protocols somewhere, but I'm just getting
confused mucking around with them.

TAI for any help
Click to expand...

Was this problem ever solved?

If so, could the OP please pop in a post with how they solved it, to
assist others googling the same problem in the future. Cheers.
 
Gurble said:
Was this problem ever solved?

If so, could the OP please pop in a post with how they solved it, to
assist others googling the same problem in the future. Cheers.
Click to expand...


Yes, was solved and I posted a solution under one of the threads, here tis
again..

The main issue was the router was assigning IP's, the host machine required
a specific (which was not the one the router wanted to supply)IP in order to
use Microsoft's ICS.
When I set the router not to assign IP's I ran into problems with network
connectivity.
The interim solution was to let the router act as the DNS and use a 3rd
party sharing program.
This worked but caused me concerns as it screwed with my firewall and had
the potential to let a lot of gremlins through via the host or client (which
are trusted).
I an currently in the process of switching to ADSL and sharing the router
rather than through a host, which will basically leave my firewall and virus
settings independent on each machine.
--
Cheers
Southern Kiwi
southern_kiwi@*spamsucks*hotmail.com
Word of wisdom from high in the mountains....you know...like a Guru...but
not as old....or mystic......or wise....or high... :)
 
AS posted before ICS does require 192.168.0.1. If a router is using this
address or handing out addresses in this range, then ICS will most likely
run into duplicate IP in the network.

The solution is to change the router configuration to use another range.

Also check that no software firewall is blocking communication between these
ranges on your computer. For ICS to work properly ZA should be set to
medium.

Also, if you can't or don't know how to configure your router or network,
use a solution like NAT32 for the routing, which is more flexible than ICS
because you can configure any range on that software.

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