ibm deskstar drives dead?

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Ive got 2 ibm deskstar 40Gb drives that both appear to have died( not at
same time, roghly mnth apart ) pc recognises them but wont allow me to
partion them, one makea scrapping kinda sound. Are they beyond repair?
though Ibm where quality but not so sure now both drives about 2years old.
 
Ive got 2 ibm deskstar 40Gb drives that both appear to have died

They aint called deathstars for nuffin.
( not at same time, roghly mnth apart ) pc recognises
them but wont allow me to partion them, one makea
scrapping kinda sound. Are they beyond repair?

Beyond permanent repair, anyway. Some of those
GXP drives can be returned to usability again by
using DFT, but that usually is just a temporary fix.

Put a stake thru their hearts and toss them in the bin.
though Ibm where quality

So did plenty of others, and the GXPs
proved that to be complete crap.
but not so sure now both drives about 2years old.

You should be able to get them RMAed, but the
replacements will almost certainly do the same thing.

I'd bin them myself. Failure of a hard drive is a complete
pain in the arse even if you are fully backed up.
 
Previously Jay said:
Ive got 2 ibm deskstar 40Gb drives that both appear to have died( not at
same time, roghly mnth apart ) pc recognises them but wont allow me to
partion them, one makea scrapping kinda sound. Are they beyond repair?
though Ibm where quality but not so sure now both drives about 2years old.

IBM was quality up to the 75GXP. Many of them died. I personally
saw 4 die (out of 4 I used) in 3 different computers.

Arno
 
IBM was quality up to the 75GXP. Many of them died. I personally
saw 4 die (out of 4 I used) in 3 different computers.

Arno

What was the actual failure mechanism that did in the 75GXP series ?

I recall they were going to glass platters about then and was
wondering if that had anything to do with their problems.
 
What was the actual failure mechanism that did in the 75GXP series ?

I recall they were going to glass platters about then and was
wondering if that had anything to do with their problems.

The pixie dust got bored and flew away.
 
What was the actual failure mechanism that did in the 75GXP series ?

No one really knows, IBM never fessed up on that.

They in fact claimed that there wasnt any problem with that series.

They lied.
I recall they were going to glass platters about then and was
wondering if that had anything to do with their problems.

Nope. They they did stop using them later.
 
Previously said:
IBM was quality up to the 75GXP. Many of them died. I personally
saw 4 die (out of 4 I used) in 3 different computers.

Arno
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What was the actual failure mechanism that did in the 75GXP series ?
I recall they were going to glass platters about then and was
wondering if that had anything to do with their problems.

I don't think the public ever found out anything definite. Certainly I
did not. There where different failure modes. Some just died. Some
had more and more defective sectors.

Arno
 
No one really knows, IBM never fessed up on that.

They in fact claimed that there wasnt any problem with that series.

They lied.

The Deskstar 60 GXP is the best EIDE HD around as was the 75GXP before
it. Any attempt to slime the best EIDE HD around or its predecessor
is a disservice to the entire HD user community. There are few
credible reports of 75GXP failures and many blatantly bogus ones.

There are no reliability issues with any recent IBM drive.

For the vast majority the 75GXP is fast and reliable.

Nothing is wrong as generally they work just fine. There are very
small numbers of reliable reports of 75GXP problems.

They just keep makin the best drives around.

Did your mamma's dog also have a bad batch of 75GXPs?

There is no well known and reputable website nor news source that
confirms any kind of problem with IBM Deskstar HDs. It's just a few
web wackos making bogus claims.

Nope there's nothin there but just wacko slime.

Most everyone reports no problems at all and they are fast.

Your anti-IBM slime campaign has now been widely discredited.

That's flat false. Only the anit-IBM slimers so claim.

Nope, there is a small cult of anti-IBM slimers running amok.

The 75GXP is a great drive and very reliable.

There are generally no problems with the Deskstar 75GXP. There are a
few attempting a smear campaign.

Ignore the wacko stalker and cult members.

Said by a card carrying member of the anti-IBM slime campaign.

Any given drive may fail in the field. In general the Deskstar 75GXP
works very well and is quiet and reliable.

The 75GXP and now 60GXP are reliable and fast drives and there is NO
reputable information suggesting otherwise.

Simply a slime attempt.

Compared to the number shipped there are in fact very FEW reports of
failures.

There has been an ongoing slime attempt for several months now
emanating from a storage site's forum. First the claims were that the
Deskstar 75GXP had high failure rates and now that they couldn't make
that bogus claim stick they've come up with this latest batch of slime
against the 75GXP. It all comes from that weak storage site. It's
all flat false.

The burden of proof is on you and the other slimers.

The anti-IBM slime wackos are getting shrill and desperate as it
steadily
becomes apparent that Deskstar 75GXPs don't NOT tend to fail and the
wackos are being publicly eviscerated and humiliated.
Fortunately they all line up on a daily basis for all to see who and
what they are.

There no smoke but just wacko gibber.

That's just an anti-IBM slime campaign. The 75GXP including the 45GB
is a good drive and many many use it with great success.

Wacko. Anyone involved in a HD popularity poll is simply wacko.

There are no significant problems with IBM HDs as has been clearly
demonstrated.

Another post by the same wacko slimers.

IBM HDs are very reliable and there are few problems.

Clueless. What if the 44% is the same six guys making multiple posts
which is obviously the case with the slimer who originated from that
website in the beginning..

All bogus claims. The 75GXP works fine.

And like other members of the slime cult, you'd like to make the
number of IBM failures look much larger than it is. Get a life.

IBM HDs work just fine. There is no well known & reputable website nor
news source that sugests otherwise. There is just a few wacko slimers
trying to suggest that there are major problems with IBM HDs. Such is
utterly bogus. They hate the fact that I've exposed their slime and
so they stalk me at every opportunity.

Pure nonsense. The slimers claim that these things are failing by the
tuckload. It is clearly obvious to everyone that they are NOT failing
in any significant quantities. The slime campaign is now debunked and
the wackos went off to Jonestown and did a cult poll in frustration.

All possible and could even explain a few multidrive failure reports.
BUT othing supports an kind of mass failures that the wackos are
claiming. Basically the 75GXP and 60GXP are fast and reliable HDs and
there isn't the slightest evidence to suggest otherwise.

However in this case there is wide spread verification that the 75GXP
is very reliable and works just fine.

Clueless nonsense. IBM HDs work just fine and are very reliable.

The clueless ninnies lineup up for us. Not one can provide any
reference to any well known reputable website nor news source
suggesting any problem with IBM HDs. The wackos have been well
identified now.

Utter nonsense. The 75GXP is very relaible and a few wackos have a
posting history of such anti-IBM slime like you.
 
I agree, had the exact same experience. I have several 22GXPs that work
fine after several years. But the 75GXP died in a week and it's
replacement not much longer. I even knew it was going to die, it was
noisier than any drive I've ever had, including old SCSI drives I had lying
around. What a shame. Completely lost faith in IBM consumer ATA drives.

Maxtor has had some issues too but I've lucked out and managed to avoid the
bad ones.
 
What was the actual failure mechanism that did in the 75GXP series ?

I recall they were going to glass platters about then and was
wondering if that had anything to do with their problems.
I do remembering reading somewhere that the problem had to do with the glass
platters.

I bought a pair of 45gb 75GXP drive in Dec. 2000so I could set up a RAID 0
drive on my Soyo MB. Since then, I have returned the drive for RMA repair a
total of 5 times. By this I mean after a failure, I RMA the drive and get
another one back in its place. The first 2 times I did that, I got back the
exact 45gb 75GXP drive as replacement. The next 2 times, they sent me a
60gb 60GXP in replacement. Then finally just this month, I RMA (one of the
original 75GXP! since I had less than 1 month warranty left!) a 45gb &%GXP
and then sent me the latest 80gb! Hitachi Deskstar 7K250. Except for the
inconvenience of so may RMA's and lost data (I had most data backed up), I
did end up with some pretty good disk drives.

The warranty is now only 1 year for these drives. I'm hoping that my 60GXP
drives start showing some bad media so I can get them exchanged too!.
 
Laptop drives had glass substrate platters long before that.
SCSI already had glass substrate platters before the 75GXP and the
120GXP still had them after that. Haven't looked for the 180GXP
but wouldn't be surprised if it too still has glass substrate platters.
I do remembering reading somewhere that the problem had to do with the glass
platters.

I bought a pair of 45gb 75GXP drive in Dec. 2000so I could set up a RAID 0
drive on my Soyo MB. Since then, I have returned the drive for RMA repair a
total of 5 times. By this I mean after a failure, I RMA the drive and get
another one back in its place. The first 2 times I did that, I got back the
exact 45gb 75GXP drive as replacement. The next 2 times, they sent me a
60gb 60GXP in replacement. Then finally just this month, I RMA (one of the
original 75GXP! since I had less than 1 month warranty left!) a 45gb &%GXP
and then sent me the latest 80gb! Hitachi Deskstar 7K250. Except for the
inconvenience of so may RMA's and lost data (I had most data backed up), I
did end up with some pretty good disk drives.

The warranty is now only 1 year for these drives. I'm hoping that my 60GXP
drives start showing some bad media so I can get them exchanged too!.

What's wrong with them staying fine as they are?
 
I do remembering reading somewhere that
the problem had to do with the glass platters.

That was just a CLAIM. Just because those drives did have glass platters.
I bought a pair of 45gb 75GXP drive in Dec. 2000so I could set up a RAID 0
drive on my Soyo MB. Since then, I have returned the drive for RMA repair a
total of 5 times. By this I mean after a failure, I RMA the drive and get
another one back in its place. The first 2 times I did that, I got back the
exact 45gb 75GXP drive as replacement. The next 2 times, they sent me a
60gb 60GXP in replacement. Then finally just this month, I RMA (one of the
original 75GXP! since I had less than 1 month warranty left!) a 45gb &%GXP
and then sent me the latest 80gb! Hitachi Deskstar 7K250. Except for the
inconvenience of so may RMA's and lost data (I had most data backed up),
I did end up with some pretty good disk drives.
The warranty is now only 1 year for these drives. I'm hoping that my 60GXP
drives start showing some bad media so I can get them exchanged too!.

Those have glass platters too.
 
Rod Speed said:
They aint called deathstars for nuffin.


They DO make VERY GOOD Egg Scrambler stove tops, though!

COmplete with Heating ELEMENT (top of Drive white running for a little
while...a VERY little while.....



and they "MIGHT" just be a little bit too spoiled Barbie-Doll-like in their
wimpy sensativity to shock and vibration compared with other drives....
Beyond permanent repair, anyway. Some of those
GXP drives can be returned to usability again by
using DFT, but that usually is just a temporary fix.

Put a stake thru their hearts and toss them in the bin.
I'd bin them myself. Failure of a hard drive is a complete
pain in the arse even if you are fully backed up.


They make EXCELLENT decorative appearance in Trash cans and steel furnaces
 
Those are all genuine Ron Reaugh quotes.

*laugh*
I was about to jump in and accuse Chrisv of trolling, until i kept
reading.

I haven't exactly been perusing the HW groups these days.

I thought chris was trolling because I still remember when he was a
noob to the groups (I actually thought he was a typical teenager), and
he had a real bad temper, boy...he went off on me about something that
he was totally wrong about.

I guess times have changed.
Sorry, Chris


<Gibs> When you kill 6 people in Unreal Tournament
it is "MonsterKill", In Quake3 it is "Excellent",
in Counter-Strike it is "Kicked by console"
 
Rod Speed said:
They aint called deathstars for nuffin.
I have a 3 year old 80GB GXP. It has seen 100s of hours of DV editing
and several hours of continuous 22MB/s analog video captures. Never missed
a beat. As always YMMHV.
 
I have a 3 year old 80GB GXP. It has seen 100s of
hours of DV editing and several hours of continuous
22MB/s analog video captures. Never missed a beat.

The technical term for that is 'pathetically inadequate sample'

There's only ever been one drive that saw every single copy
die in the field, and that was the abortion made in India.
As always YMMHV.

GAGF
 
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