I want to give Linux a go...

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Jonathan Wolgamuth

I'm thinking about ditching my old pc for a newer faster, sexier model.

However, I don't really want to get rid of my old one. I think I'd like
to give a free Linux OS a try, just to get my feet wet once I've
transitioned to the new Windows-based pc.

What's your suggestion for a free Linux OS for my situation?? Thanks in
advance!

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Jonathan

"Kids are great Apu! You can teach them to hate the things you hate, and
they practically raise themselves with the internet and all!"

H.S.
 
I'm thinking about ditching my old pc for a newer faster, sexier model.

However, I don't really want to get rid of my old one. I think I'd like
to give a free Linux OS a try, just to get my feet wet once I've
transitioned to the new Windows-based pc.

What's your suggestion for a free Linux OS for my situation?? Thanks in
advance!

Knoppix. It boots off the CD, does not need to install. You can play with
Linux to your hearts content before deciding whether to change or not.
 
I'm thinking about ditching my old pc for a newer faster, sexier model.

However, I don't really want to get rid of my old one. I think I'd like
to give a free Linux OS a try, just to get my feet wet once I've
transitioned to the new Windows-based pc.

What's your suggestion for a free Linux OS for my situation?? Thanks in
advance!

I would reccomend Knoppix or MEPIS. Both run from a bootable CD so no
install is required at all. Can't beat that.

http://www.mepis.org/
ftp:///raven.cslab.vt.edu/pub/linux/knoppix
 
Jonathan said:
I'm thinking about ditching my old pc for a newer faster, sexier model.
However, I don't really want to get rid of my old one. I think I'd like
to give a free Linux OS a try, just to get my feet wet once I've
transitioned to the new Windows-based pc.
What's your suggestion for a free Linux OS for my situation?? Thanks in
advance!

The other two responses so far talk about little CD-runnable
distros. Noting that you're planning on giving Linux its own machine,
it wouldn't seem like that only-your-toes-in-the-water approach is
required. Thus: a lot of people consider Mandrake a good distribution
for new Linux users. I went with that idea, and haven't had any reason
to regret it. But note that a new version is supposed to be coming out
*very* soon, so if you decide to go with it, you might want to consider
waiting a bit. You've waited this long, anyway. :)
 
Contrary to popular opinion Linux is not free. The majority of vendors
charge around $50.00 for a "Personal Edition" and over $100.00 for a
"Professional Edition" that merely comes with more applications but that is
not a problem for the "Personal Edition" user since they can download the
same apps from the Internet themselves. Support is also charged, the amount
and length of service varies by distribution.
Slackware and Debian are the closest to free you're going to find but they
also have the steepest learning curve because they don't try to be a Windows
clone. The major distributions are easier to setup and learn because they go
to great lengths to have the Windows look and feel so people won't be so
intimidated. When you add in the books you will probably buy to learn and
the fact that M$ does not charge annual fees for their OS users and their
support fees are less. In the end you will probably find yourself paying out
just as much if not more than you would have with Windows.
The myth that Linux is more secure is due to the fact that hackers direct
most of their attention at Windows due to its large user base, more
potential victims.
There are Linux Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc out there and they will increase
as Linux becomes more popular.
It can be fun to learn and play with but most SOHO users, like myself, still
do their real work on Windows boxes. If you do want to check Linux out you
may want to do so soon before it is no longer available without an expensive
annual license fee if SCO has their way in court. As with any court case
there is always a chance they will succeed, no matter how much the Open
Source community is in denial.
I remember when MCI filed suit against AT&T and you heard the same thing as
now. No one believed it could happen and were in shock and denial when AT&T
lost and had to be broken up. Many AT&T stock holders
ended up in bankruptcy due to their being in denial right to the end. It
wasn't just the rich who suffered because many pension funds went broke and
couldn't pay their retired members anywhere near what they had counted on
and had to go back to work or if unable to do that they had to depend on
government assistance and still lost their homes and property.
 
Contrary to popular opinion Linux is not free.

Wow, what a regular Mary Sunshine. If I read that inaccurate diatribe
correctly, if you use LINUX you will probably die.
 
Wow, what a regular Mary Sunshine. If I read that inaccurate diatribe
correctly, if you use LINUX you will probably die.


I thought it was a very accurate summary, free from all the mythology
usually spouted by Linux-heads. Linux itself IS free - however, Linux
distros are not. The charges are supposedly for "packaging".

I bought a Linux distro (Peanut) for $3.98. Unfortunately, it doesn't
support my computer's onboard video card.

Anybody wanna bet that Microsoft isn't somehow involved in the SCO lawsuit?
 
Wow, what a regular Mary Sunshine. If I read that inaccurate diatribe
correctly, if you use LINUX you will probably die.

Now, see what you've done!
All those people are going bankrupt AGAIN & Hackers have a field day,
just because you want to "try" Linux.

Some people are so selfish. LOL
 
I thought it was a very accurate summary, free from all the mythology
usually spouted by Linux-heads. Linux itself IS free - however, Linux
distros are not. The charges are supposedly for "packaging".

And if you download it, there's no packaging cost.
 
Jason said:
Contrary to popular opinion Linux is not free. The majority of vendors
charge around $50.00 for a "Personal Edition" and over $100.00 for a

And if you download it, it's free. We call that freeware.

If you choose to pay for it, you can. I've bought both releases of
Mandrake Linux I've used. From the company itself, as a matter of
supporting their effort.
Slackware and Debian are the closest to free you're going to find but they

Any distro you can download for free, legally, is freeware.

If you choose to pay for a different means of delivery, you may.
 
Jonathan said:
What's your suggestion for a free Linux OS for my situation?? Thanks in
advance!

Blinky already mentioned Mandrake. I second that.
It is very easy to set up and a free version is available for download.

SO, I want to mention that using Knoppix for checking hardware
compatability is a good idea.

bye,

Onno
 
I thought it was a very accurate summary, free from all the mythology
usually spouted by Linux-heads. Linux itself IS free - however, Linux
distros are not. The charges are supposedly for "packaging".

My Distro (Mandrake 9.0) cost me only time to download it....



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Jason said:
Contrary to popular opinion Linux is not free.

Linux itself (the Kernel) is free. You can download it from
http://www.kernel.org/ completely free of charge.

As for any other operating system, there is freeware, shareware and
commercial software available.
The majority of vendors charge around $50.00 for a "Personal Edition" and
over $100.00 for a "Professional Edition"

That is correct for most Linux distributions. One should not forget that
each distribution consists of about 5 to 10 CDs or a DVD with some
thousands pre-configured programs, in 30 languages and a printed manual.
You may use those CDs on as many PCs as you want.

In comparison: Windows XP Home Edition costs 120 ¤, Pro 240¤.
Windows has to be bought for each PC and language anew.
that merely comes with more applications

And what is exactly the difference between Office XP Pro and Enterprise
Edition? ;)
Support is also charged, the amount and length of service varies by
distribution.

Of course, the distributors charge for service call after their
guarantee time. They are no charity but companies!

Support is also available from users. You can ask in newsgroups, message
boards, Linux user groups (LUG, there is one in nearly each town), find
manuals and hints on webpages. Nearly all problems can be solved this
way.
Slackware and Debian are the closest to free [...] because they don't try to be a
Windows clone.

Mandrake and RedHat offer a free version of their distribution for
download. They are "Windows clones". The free versions are without
support and manual and lack some commercial software that is included in
the for-sale packages.
When you add in the books you will probably buy to learn and the fact that
M$ does not charge annual fees for their OS users and their support fees
are less.

I do not know any Linux distribution that charge annual fees. Moreover,
while you have to pay for an upgrade for MS products, those are usually
free in Linux distributions.
In the end you will probably find yourself paying out just as much if not
more than you would have with Windows.

If you are a software pirate: Sure ;)
Otherwise, you can asks a lot of questions to the Linux Vendor support
before you paid the price of Windows XP Home only.
The myth that Linux is more secure is due to the fact that hackers direct
most of their attention at Windows.

Linux has the advantage that there are more different set ups, making it
more difficult to find a weak spot in all of them.

Also, Linux does not allow all programs equal access to everything, what
is the weak spot of Windows. Therefore, Linux is more secure than
Windows.
There are Linux Viruses, Trojans, Worms etc out there

There is Malware for Linux, but none is found "in the wild" yet.
Compared to the >60.000 known viruses for Windows, the <30 for Linux
seem to be a small threat.
and they will increase as Linux becomes more popular.

That is probably true.
most SOHO users, like myself, still do their real work on Windows boxes.

There is an increasing numbers of companies, schools and public
administrations that switch to Linux. (For example, the city of Munich,
Germany, is switching their whole administration to a Linux based
system)
If you do want to check Linux out you may want to do so soon before it is no
longer available without an expensive annual license fee if SCO has their
way in court.

The FSF is already developing an alternate kernel that will be not
affected by SCO patents even if those should be granted by the courts.
The development of this new kernel began already 5 years ago, SCOs
attack is not the reason for the development.

bye,

Onno
 
Onno said:
Jason de Bougainville wrote:
Linux itself (the Kernel) is free. You can download it from
http://www.kernel.org/ completely free of charge.
As for any other operating system, there is freeware, shareware and
commercial software available.
That is correct for most Linux distributions. One should not forget that
each distribution consists of about 5 to 10 CDs or a DVD with some
thousands pre-configured programs, in 30 languages and a printed manual.
You may use those CDs on as many PCs as you want.
In comparison: Windows XP Home Edition costs 120 ¤, Pro 240¤.
Windows has to be bought for each PC and language anew.
And what is exactly the difference between Office XP Pro and Enterprise
Edition? ;)
Of course, the distributors charge for service call after their
guarantee time. They are no charity but companies!
Support is also available from users. You can ask in newsgroups, message
boards, Linux user groups (LUG, there is one in nearly each town), find
manuals and hints on webpages. Nearly all problems can be solved this
way.
Slackware and Debian are the closest to free [...] because they don't try to be a
Windows clone.
Mandrake and RedHat offer a free version of their distribution for
download. They are "Windows clones". The free versions are without

Hey! ;) They offer GUIs (of the *user's* choice - imagine that! <g>)(and
we're not just talking "skins" or "themes", here), but you don't have to
use them unless you want to. And have I said that if you do choose to,
you have your choice of several? :)
support and manual and lack some commercial software that is included in
the for-sale packages.
I do not know any Linux distribution that charge annual fees. Moreover,
while you have to pay for an upgrade for MS products, those are usually
free in Linux distributions.

That Lindows thing that Wal-Mart (USan) has been offering on low-end
machines has some kind of ironically MS-wet-dream-like $90 per year (or
so) fee for downloading applications *from them*. That's the only such
scheme I've heard of, and Lindows isn't something that most people would
seem to count as a major Linux distro.
If you are a software pirate: Sure ;)
Otherwise, you can asks a lot of questions to the Linux Vendor support
before you paid the price of Windows XP Home only.
Linux has the advantage that there are more different set ups, making it
more difficult to find a weak spot in all of them.
Also, Linux does not allow all programs equal access to everything, what
is the weak spot of Windows. Therefore, Linux is more secure than
Windows.

Well, Linux wasn't created as a one-user OS, with security tacked on as
needed, later. (Possibly the same for NT.)
There is Malware for Linux, but none is found "in the wild" yet.
Compared to the >60.000 known viruses for Windows, the <30 for Linux
seem to be a small threat.
That is probably true.

And in a few years, 3-gig CPUs will be outmoded, too. That doesn't mean
they're a bad thing *today*.
There is an increasing numbers of companies, schools and public
administrations that switch to Linux. (For example, the city of Munich,
Germany, is switching their whole administration to a Linux based
system)

It's a trend that scares people, innit? :)
 
Onno said:
Jonathan Wolgamuth wrote:
Blinky already mentioned Mandrake. I second that.
It is very easy to set up and a free version is available for download.
SO, I want to mention that using Knoppix for checking hardware
compatability is a good idea.

Well, Mandrake has a large hardware database one can access, to see what the
compatibility status is of peripheral/card/whatever Manufacturer X,
Model Y.
 
Well, Mandrake has a large hardware database one can access, to see what the
compatibility status is of peripheral/card/whatever Manufacturer X,
Model Y.

Yes, that is true. But sometimes, you do not have the right name. Or,
for example you have a AC97 codec. There are different versions, some
work, some don't.

Therefore, I think Knoppix is quite well for this purpose.

bye,

Onno
 
Blinky said:
Hey! ;) They offer GUIs (of the *user's* choice - imagine that! <g>)

I know Mandrake, use it myself occasionally. There are five different if
I remember right. Yet, if you install it with standard settings, it is
quite close to the usual "Windows Look & Feel".

Also, I quoted "Windows Clone" from the person I responded to. And, I
hope you saw the "s, they are there for a reason. ;)
That Lindows thing that Wal-Mart (USan) has been offering on low-end
machines has some kind of ironically MS-wet-dream-like $90 per year

Oh well, Lindows...
I thought that it is only a nightmare, but it seems to be true after all.
It is that bad that my brain refuse to remember about it...
Well, Linux wasn't created as a one-user OS, with security tacked on as
needed, later. (Possibly the same for NT.)

That is a reason why Linux was developed with higher concern for
security, not why it is more secure.
And in a few years, 3-gig CPUs will be outmoded, too. That doesn't mean
they're a bad thing *today*.

Well, I mentioned that there is no Linux Malware in the wild.
Nonetheless, it is true that they are possible and will become more
dangerous if Linux gets more users. Therefore, I saw no reason for
denying that argument.
It's a trend that scares people, innit? :)

Yes, it is a horrible thought. Imagine, no big company that cares for
you like a loving father anymore. You would have to do everything on
your own, like an adult. ;)

bye,

Onno
 
Onno said:
Blinky the Shark wrote:
Yes, that is true. But sometimes, you do not have the right name. Or,
for example you have a AC97 codec. There are different versions, some
work, some don't.

Never ran into a "not what it seemed to be" kinda situation.
Therefore, I think Knoppix is quite well for this purpose.

Seems like extra bother, but if it helps people migrate it's a more
good thing than bad thing. :)
 
Onno said:
Blinky the Shark wrote:
I know Mandrake, use it myself occasionally. There are five different if
I remember right. Yet, if you install it with standard settings, it is
quite close to the usual "Windows Look & Feel".

Can't remember what I got with the PowerPack. Uh...I use KDE, and have
Gnome installed for playing with, and there's blackbox, Ice...seems like
a couple more.
Also, I quoted "Windows Clone" from the person I responded to. And, I
hope you saw the "s, they are there for a reason. ;)

Ack, Shirley, I didn't notice that. Thanks. I wasn't making an issue
-- just wanted to mention some options. :)
Oh well, Lindows...
I thought that it is only a nightmare, but it seems to be true after all.
It is that bad that my brain refuse to remember about it...

Well, to some people, Lindows *is* Linux, if that's all they've ever
seen or all they've ever bought, or...all they've ever even heard about
on a pre-assembled machine.
That is a reason why Linux was developed with higher concern for
security, not why it is more secure.

I think the two are connected, Onno.
Well, I mentioned that there is no Linux Malware in the wild.

And I'm glad you did, brother. :)
Nonetheless, it is true that they are possible and will become more
dangerous if Linux gets more users. Therefore, I saw no reason for
denying that argument.

Sure they will. I understand.
Yes, it is a horrible thought. Imagine, no big company that cares for
you like a loving father anymore. You would have to do everything on
your own, like an adult. ;)

<Brando>

The horror.

</Brando>

;)
 
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