I want complete, no hassel, control of My Computers!

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Bruce Feezel

As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person who
operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut & paste,
rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
Microsoft doesn't!

As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still have
not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The Instructions
are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and I
shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task that
should be simple.

Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The "Help"
Is "No Help," At All!

I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now, they
want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.

I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to what
Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have completely
forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always be
"User Friendly!"

Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to be.
I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work done.

Bruce Feezel
(e-mail address removed)
 
Bruce Feezel said:
As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything
without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need
to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work
done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them)
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May I ask why, in God's name, you need FIVE COMPUTERS if you are the ONLY
user?
 
Bruce,
There was a time when Host and Client meant what is said.
If you are as I suspect, running the 5 PCs in peer-to-peer mode,
then the administration of such a setup would be a nightmare.
If you want to stick with Vista, then select one PC to be your main unit and
slave the rest off that one.
Ensure you specify static IP settings etc. in the "Allow Incoming New
Connection" in Manage Network Connections"
This works for me until I got a dedicated server Win2003 Ent and ran all
privilidges and shares from there.
A much more logical thought process involved and all done in step-by-step
moves.
DecHex
 
Bruce said:
As long as I've worked with Computers, (about 30 years) I've never had an
Operating System that was so poorly designed that I can't do anything without
having to jump through multiple hoops, in order to accomplish what I need to
do.

I want to know how to set Windows Vista up so that I can get some work done.
All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only person who
operates them. I need to be able to access any file, or folder, from any
computer, on the network. I need be able to read, write, delete, cut & paste,
rename, or perform any other operation, on any file, or folder, from any
computer, without getting "Access Denied" messages. I own these computers,
Microsoft doesn't!

As the only user, I am also the administrator, and yet I attempted for
almost an hour tonight, to Rename a Folder, that I created, and I still have
not been able to do that. When I go to the Help information, The Instructions
are Wrong! There is no option on the "Action" Menu called "New Share," and I
shouldn't need to go through using a Command Line to accomplish a task that
should be simple.

Most times when I have needed to use the Help Functions, the instructions
have steps in them that are not available to the user, because they are
wrong. Evidently, nobody bothers to check them, and make sure the
instructions are correct, before they are published. Consequently, The "Help"
Is "No Help," At All!

I also want to know how I can UPGRADE My Windows Vista, to Windows XP
Professional. At least Windows XP is a fairly decent Operating System. Of
course it has taken Microsoft since 2001 to get it to that point. Now, they
want to do away with it, and make everyone change to Vista, which is the
worst Operating System since MS-DOS 4.0/4.1, and Windows Millennium.

I'm not the only professional who understands how bad Vista is. I read in
the Computer Magazines how upset people are that Microsoft wants to quit
supporting Windows XP. Microsoft needs to start paying more attention to what
Computer Users Want, and Need. Windows Vista is so bad that Microsoft will
never be able to fix everything that is wrong with it. They have completely
forgotten one of the main Computer Axioms. Computer Software should always be
"User Friendly!"

Am I upset with Microsoft? You Bet I'm Upset, and I have every right to be.
I should have been in bed hours ago, but I still haven't gotten my work done.

Bruce Feezel
(e-mail address removed)
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I have no problem doing whatever I want (including create, delete, and rename)
from my XP PCs to files & folders on my Vista PCs, as long as I only deal with
the Vista's Public folders (and its subfolders).

I did have problems with folders outside of the Public folders, and I did not
find a work around -- even after setting permissions. So I settled for using
only the Public area on Vista.

And, if it matters to you, there are problems with accessing Vista files and
folders from W9x PCs. You can google this NG for some earlier discussions
on W9x-Vista sharing issues.
 
fuctifino said:
Bruce,
There was a time when Host and Client meant what is said.
If you are as I suspect, running the 5 PCs in peer-to-peer mode,
then the administration of such a setup would be a nightmare.
If you want to stick with Vista, then select one PC to be your main unit
and slave the rest off that one.
Ensure you specify static IP settings etc. in the "Allow Incoming New
Connection" in Manage Network Connections"
This works for me until I got a dedicated server Win2003 Ent and ran all
privilidges and shares from there.
A much more logical thought process involved and all done in
step-by-step moves.
DecHex
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5 is a problem? Maybe for a wimp! :-P

I have 8 PCs and 3 non-PC nodes in my SOHO workgroup, all with DHCP. Very
little problem, except when one of the kids downloads a batch of malware.
 
Bruce,
Just found this quick workaround.

This definitely works to give you unrestricted access across the network.
You have to manually create this Everyone Permission.

Make "Everyone" appear in the Security Tab, as follows:

Right-click Computer > Manage > Storage > Disk Management then
right-click the drive graphic that you want to share, then > Properties >
Security Tab > Edit >Add
then type ‘Everyone’ (not the quotes) and below it select your preferences,
e.g. Read or Full Control.
Now Apply, OK, etc. to finish.

Just tried it and hey presto.
DecHex
 
BRUCE : >>>>All of my computers are networked, (5 of them) and I am the only
person who
operates them.
<<<<

DONALD:>>>>Great!!! NOW you can look forward to ANYONE who has access to the
Network entering your computer at any time. Hope you have fun.
Click to expand...
<<<<

The guy just wanted a fix, Donald.
I'm sure once he has full access, he can then decide for himself how he
wants to control any permissions / security settings.

Let the hare see the fox first!

DecHex
 
Listen "Friend"
My Hare has a cunning plan.
When he gets up on his back legs to make himself "seen" by the Fox,
It gives him ample time to bade a handsome retreat in a direction of his
choosing
and to live another day as it were by out-foxing the fox if you will.
The fox is therefore not afforded the element of surprise and has to work
harder
to catch his dinner.

DecHex

P.S. "seen by the fox" was a metaphor for the client being seen by the host
But you knew that didn't you?
 
So does anyone have a solution????

I'm having the same problem. I have a desktop XP, a new Dell Vista laptop
and a new HP Vista laptop (new being within the past 9 months or less). I'm
computer savvy without being quite to the level of geek (to which I would
love to aspire) and have been hastling with my HP for about a week now. They
were all sharing away with no problem until I started up the HP one day and
then, voila, I could only access the public folder. So just to see what it
would do, I opened the sharing access up completely to everyone as Donald so
vehemently disapproves of (and rightly so, I suppose). This, however,
yielded a more difficult situation - though I can get as far as the computer
itself and to see the folders, I am now fully denied access to all folders.
Luckily, I can still access the Dell and XP from the HP freely so I'm not
totally dead in the water.

On the lookout for that fox!
kb
 
So does anyone have a solution????

I'm having the same problem. I have a desktop XP, a new Dell Vista laptop
and a new HP Vista laptop (new being within the past 9 months or less). I'm
computer savvy without being quite to the level of geek (to which I would
love to aspire) and have been hastling with my HP for about a week now. They
were all sharing away with no problem until I started up the HP one day and
then, voila, I could only access the public folder. So just to see what it
would do, I opened the sharing access up completely to everyone as Donald so
vehemently disapproves of (and rightly so, I suppose). This, however,
yielded a more difficult situation - though I can get as far as the computer
itself and to see the folders, I am now fully denied access to all folders.
Luckily, I can still access the Dell and XP from the HP freely so I'm not
totally dead in the water.

On the lookout for that fox!
kb
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There are solutions. Regardless of what you may think from reading here, Vista
is not a disaster. There are millions of computers running Vista all over the
world, and many communicating with other computers. Some basic understanding
about networking, and file sharing, is necessary sometimes.

The "access denied" error is unbelievably imprecise, and makes for much
confusion.
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html

Assuming that you do not have lower level problems, look at authentication
between your computers. Are you using Guest, or non-Guest, authentication?
Guest authentication, by default, has much less access to sensitive and personal
folders. Is it XP Home or Pro?
<http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html>
http://networking.nitecruzr.net/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html
 
Amen! I have four computers (yes, Gordon, even normal people have more than
one!) and keeping my main Vista computer and my main XP computer connected is
a joke. Every time either of them goes to sleep, Vista can't see XP, and
it's a WIRED connection with Ethernet. Since the SP1 update, Vista now drops
the printer on the XP computer constantly and I have to reboot. I seem to
spend a lot of time each day reconnecting and readjusting everything.

Thanks, Bruce, for saying what I've known since I started using Vista. It
is NOT network friendly, and it's been a real learning experience to do what
I need to do with computers.

Marjie
 
Marjie said:
Thanks, Bruce, for saying what I've known since I started using Vista. It
is NOT network friendly,
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Interestingly I also have an XP Pro SP3 machine, and when I bought my new
Vista Home Premium laptop, the network, err, just worked. I had to do
NOTHING at all to share files and folders between the two machines both
ways.
 
Gordon - I'm with you - I currently have networked , wired and wirless,
computers running Vista Ulitmate (one desktop, one laptop) and Vista
Enterprise desktop (SP 1s) and XP SP3 - all doing fine!!
 
Chuck,
Thanks for the reply.

First off, I absolutely LOVE Vista. I have had wonderful results with the
new system and wouldn't change it for the world! On the whole, it rocks.
[the help, however, really needs to be updated to include more Vista-centric
terms and solutions. It's still primarily XP focused.]

So, after fastidiously pouring through your help suggestions and those on
Microsoft's pages, I still had no results. Then an IT friend of mine came
over and I presented my problem.
Voila! It turned out that my issue was, as the administrator, I had no
password set on my HP (silly, eh?). Once I made my name and password
identical on both the Dell and HP I've had smooth sailing ever since.

Thanks again,
kb
 
Chuck,
Thanks for the reply.

First off, I absolutely LOVE Vista. I have had wonderful results with the
new system and wouldn't change it for the world! On the whole, it rocks.
[the help, however, really needs to be updated to include more Vista-centric
terms and solutions. It's still primarily XP focused.]

So, after fastidiously pouring through your help suggestions and those on
Microsoft's pages, I still had no results. Then an IT friend of mine came
over and I presented my problem.
Voila! It turned out that my issue was, as the administrator, I had no
password set on my HP (silly, eh?). Once I made my name and password
identical on both the Dell and HP I've had smooth sailing ever since.

Thanks again,
kb
Click to expand...

Yay! The old blank password trick!

Thanks for the feedback, and the update.
 
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