I give it a week....

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I give it a week before all the clueless bastards who don't know what
BETA means or entails get pissed off and go back to XP.

I hope it isn't any longer than that.
 
The result is like "compound interest" - many have "killed" their XP
installations via Vista installs and are now posting to newsgroups on how to
get XP back running.

Michael Bryett said:
Here Here!!!
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Sure... see other Betas... from Google, for ex. Vista should make better use
of older drivers since it's expensive for 3rd parties to update and certify
drivers for products already developed and sold. Of course, on the other
hand, older drivers don't run that efficiently on Vista.
Michael
 
Which Google operating system are you talking about? Which Google product
requires drivers?

Michael said:
Sure... see other Betas... from Google, for ex. Vista should make better
use of older drivers since it's expensive for 3rd parties to update and
certify drivers for products already developed and sold. Of course, on the
other hand, older drivers don't run that efficiently on Vista.
Michael
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The issue with older drivers is that MS is finally getting drivers out of
kernel mode and into user mode. This should cut way down on BSOD's.

Michael said:
Sure... see other Betas... from Google, for ex. Vista should make better
use of older drivers since it's expensive for 3rd parties to update and
certify drivers for products already developed and sold. Of course, on the
other hand, older drivers don't run that efficiently on Vista.
Michael
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It's about "beta" standards not about OS's; see "...who don't know what BETA
means or entails..." in the thread.
You're barking at the wrong tree :)
Michael

Tom Scales said:
Which Google operating system are you talking about? Which Google product
requires drivers?
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I'm sorry but you don't make any sense. The 'standards' for a beta for an
application couldn't possibly be the same as those for an operating system
 
Uhm... ya, they are.

All BETA means is "Not considered finish - use at your own risk." In other
words, don't complain if it doesn't work. *DO* report any bugs/errors/etc.
using the PROPER method.

If you have a problem with Vista, there should be an icon on your desktop to
report the bugs to. This group is a self support group and you can't depend
on getting fixes for bug reports posted here.
 
And if all the so called clueless give up then all that will be running the
beta is the satisfied with their limited running installations and in that
case who's going to be sending in tons of bug reports? Sorry but that's why
MS made this such a wide beta (ie public).
 
Ian - Conor's post may be considered "obnoxious" (by some readers) - but he
speaks the truth in that many many "downloaders" ignore the oft-repeated
warnings and suggestions regarding "Beta" software. The problem is further
compounded by post after post regarding "getting back my XP".

Ian M. Walker said:
What an obnoxious thread to start.

You've got to love the human need for feeling right.

*sigh*


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I give it a week before all the clueless bastards who don't know what
BETA means or entails get pissed off and go back to XP.
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Only a week, huh? If only we were so lucky...
 
I agree. They had to blow right past a red-letter warning, very plainly
worded, in their rush to get the new toy. Sadly they have little interest
in beta testing, just in getting to play with the new toy. They are getting
more help here than they deserve by a long shot.

AJR said:
Ian - Conor's post may be considered "obnoxious" (by some readers) - but
he speaks the truth in that many many "downloaders" ignore the
oft-repeated warnings and suggestions regarding "Beta" software. The
problem is further compounded by post after post regarding "getting back
my XP".
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Ian - Conor's post may be considered "obnoxious" (by some readers) - but he
speaks the truth in that many many "downloaders" ignore the oft-repeated
warnings and suggestions regarding "Beta" software. The problem is further
compounded by post after post regarding "getting back my XP".
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Yup. You merely have to look at how many "My hardware device isn't
supported" posts too to see how many haven't actually researched it at
all.

I was lucky. After some hunting around before installation, out of all
of my hardware, only the scanner on my Epson CX5400 doesn't work yet
strangely it did when I tried an XP to Vista upgrade instead of a fresh
install.
 
Not so strange. Perhaps it just means that once installed the driver would
work. The driver installer was probably version checking or something in
the clean install scenario but since the driver was already installed in XP
the installer wasn't a factor in the upgrade scenario.
 
Agreed.

But.....

We actually need folks like this. The, dare I say, average user who may not
be as familiar with testing betas, etc. as some of us. Believe it or not,
the less technically minded will often stumble across problems we in our
ivory towers might not even deign to notice. :P

No offense, it just gets my goat a bit (wait, I have a goat?) when folks are
putting people down. They're not all bad you know. heh :)


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Ian M. Walker

http://www.IanMWalker.com

~ Look to your own life before worrying how others are living theirs ~
AJR said:
Ian - Conor's post may be considered "obnoxious" (by some readers) - but
he speaks the truth in that many many "downloaders" ignore the
oft-repeated warnings and suggestions regarding "Beta" software. The
problem is further compounded by post after post regarding "getting back
my XP".
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But the only testing some of them are doing is demonstrating that red-letter
warnings are insufficient to prevent this chaos in their lives. Such users
may be useful when the RC1 is released, but they are not the ones listed on
the download page for whom this beta release is designed.

This has not been advertised as a Consumer preview. It has been advertised
as a Customer preveiw with the three classes of customers spelled out. The
Windows Vista Customer Preview Page puts it this way (red-letters):

"Note: This is beta code and should not be used in a production environment
or on a main machine in the home. Beta 2 is intended for developers, IT
professionals and technology experts to continue or begin their testing of
Windows Vista. Before you decide to use Beta 2, you should feel comfortable
with installing operating systems, updating drivers, and general PC
troubleshooting."

I agree with your sentiment and the need for gentleness, but those
complaining loudly about disaster to thier machines and their computing life
failed to act responsibly from the start.

Perhaps MS failed to take into account just how much the computing public
has changed since Whistler in 2000-2001. It seems to me the newbies know
far less today than newbies did five years ago. This is probably one result
of the success of bringing computing to Everyman.
 
Ian M. Walker said:
Agreed.

But.....

We actually need folks like this. The, dare I say, average user who may not
be as familiar with testing betas, etc. as some of us. Believe it or not,
the less technically minded will often stumble across problems we in our
ivory towers might not even deign to notice. :P

No offense, it just gets my goat a bit (wait, I have a goat?) when folks are
putting people down. They're not all bad you know. heh :)
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Trouble is that it is a waste of time because they don't get the idea
of what BETAs are all about so they get the problems and AT BEST post
on a forum and only because they wonder why it doesn't work when it did
in ex-pee instead of submitting reports or at worst just format and
reinstall the old OS wholst mumbling on about it being a bag of shit.
 
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