hyperactive-linking app [was Re: ole functionality... continued]

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Spacey Spade said:
...continued from thread "adding OLE object handling to registry?" in
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Gee... I can drag and drop anything into outlook 97 tasks... any file.
All I ever wanted was an internally stored file I could double click an
icon for. Outlook does it, but I like PB's way of "linking thoughts".

All of it is functioning now, including for Brain, I understood that right?

Spacey, have you tried Correlate?

http://www.correlate.com/correlate25/Personal.asp (personal use = free)
http://www.correlate.com/correlate25/gettingstarted/index.htm

Like Brain, it's a mindmapping\ brainstorming\ hyperactively-linking
type of app.

Brain($) was a really exciting and novel experience, when I tried it.
Yet my later discovery, Correlate, I found that one more useful.
One of the reasons has to do with the way Correlate supports some
hierarchical structuring, in addition to just the wild link-nets.

It's been a while since I used it, but when I had, I was extremely
impressed. And had a good time, too. Disco party. <g>

There were just two holdups for me, which made me waylay regular usage
to a future date. One is that it's a bit on the bigger end of the scale,
for my current machine, which isn't up to juggling a lot of wide-load apps.
The other holdup is that, in order to have html export abilities, so as
to get the docs it creates into a non-proprietary format, you have to go
through a sign-up with their server, and upload them there. That kind of
task is unpleasant labor that I like to procrastinate. Btw, their web
service is free; it's just something I have not yet used.

Aside from those two issues...I look forward to the time when I get back
into it. I found this app fully fascinating, fun, and useful.
 
All of it is functioning now, including for Brain, I understood that right?

No... for Brain only sound files and image files embed in the text
editor (aka. notes).
Spacey, have you tried Correlate?

http://www.correlate.com/correlate25/Personal.asp (personal use = free)
http://www.correlate.com/correlate25/gettingstarted/index.htm

Like Brain, it's a mindmapping\ brainstorming\ hyperactively-linking
type of app.

Brain($) was a really exciting and novel experience, when I tried it.
Yet my later discovery, Correlate, I found that one more useful.
One of the reasons has to do with the way Correlate supports some
hierarchical structuring, in addition to just the wild link-nets.

It's been a while since I used it, but when I had, I was extremely
impressed. And had a good time, too. Disco party. <g>

There were just two holdups for me, which made me waylay regular usage
to a future date. One is that it's a bit on the bigger end of the scale,
for my current machine, which isn't up to juggling a lot of wide-load apps.
The other holdup is that, in order to have html export abilities, so as
to get the docs it creates into a non-proprietary format, you have to go
through a sign-up with their server, and upload them there. That kind of
task is unpleasant labor that I like to procrastinate. Btw, their web
service is free; it's just something I have not yet used.

Aside from those two issues...I look forward to the time when I get back
into it. I found this app fully fascinating, fun, and useful.

Thanks, I'll take a look when I'm free. In my google group searches, I
keep seeing lost articles... I know there are articles missing because
people quote them. I don't think it is all to do with just change of
subject... anyway, I am starting to feel wary of snipping quotes, for
fear of the loss of info in google groups.
 
Spacey, have you tried Correlate?

http://www.correlate.com/correlate25/Personal.asp (personal use = free)
http://www.correlate.com/correlate25/gettingstarted/index.htm

Like Brain, it's a mindmapping\ brainstorming\ hyperactively-linking
type of app.

Brain($) was a really exciting and novel experience, when I tried it.
Yet my later discovery, Correlate, I found that one more useful.
One of the reasons has to do with the way Correlate supports some
hierarchical structuring, in addition to just the wild link-nets.

Okay, I cheated and went to the site and watched the flash demo. I like
wild (brain). You can "associate" thoughts, which is different from
hierarchy. You can also have multiple parents for one child thought.
It's been a while since I used it, but when I had, I was extremely
impressed. And had a good time, too. Disco party. <g>
[snip]

In PersonalBrain (PB) you can only see approx. 3 layers of a heirarchy
at one time ("view distant thoughts" is a bit messy and incomplete), so
I can see that advantage in Correlate. But, if you want a full viewable
heirarchy, you can create a link to a file, rather than only embedding
the file in PB. You can then go view the file in Windows Explorer, or
your fave file browser... hmmm... but then you only see the contents of
one directory at a time.

Another thing I like about PB and Outlook Tasks is the ability to place
files within the context of written comunication... like an interactive
ebook. Spacey
 
Spacey Spade said:
Thanks, I'll take a look when I'm free. In my google group searches, I
keep seeing lost articles... I know there are articles missing because
people quote them. I don't think it is all to do with just change of
subject... anyway, I am starting to feel wary of snipping quotes, for
fear of the loss of info in google groups.

Articles missing from Google? Those might well be x-no-archive:yes posts.

That'd be a primary variable, as you've already taken into account the
unfortunate practice of Google's to go by strict subject line, and not
the references header.

If you have a decent body of messages stored locally for ACF, you could
do a search for the x-no-archive header, to find which posters use it,
in their attempt to keep their messages off of Google.
 
Spacey Spade said:
omega (e-mail address removed) wrote...


Okay, I cheated and went to the site and watched the flash demo. I like
wild (brain). You can "associate" thoughts, which is different from
hierarchy. You can also have multiple parents for one child thought.

In Correlate, the language they use for hot-linking between links and
memos and other objects, it's "relate." You draw on canvas, and any number
of things can be set to relate to any other things.

Orphans are also freely allowed. It includes too a "jump items" feature,
where clicking on an object can take you anywhere else -- including to a
different document page within the knowledge map (a Correlate .kmp file is
made up of a set of tabbed document pages/sheets).

The appearance when working with Correlate relations - however much you
create depth of relations, and however randomly - there still always
remains a bit of a hierarchical underlay. Not spherical as with Brain,
with its every expanding nets pivoting outwards...

I cannot call the two products the same. What sets them off as a pair is
largely that each is so distinct from anything else in the world. As well,
that the driving nature of both is in their freeform hyper-linking powers.
In PersonalBrain (PB) you can only see approx. 3 layers of a heirarchy
at one time ("view distant thoughts" is a bit messy and incomplete), so
I can see that advantage in Correlate.

Correlate has a number of different elements in its interface which are
more familiar and traditional. For instance, it features a tabbed documents
set (perhaps like an Excel worksheet set). Or, there is a left panel, which
can be used to display a hierarchical template legend.

And even the "relations," while they are what makes Correlate particularly
special and less traditional...they are indeed sort of stodgily rectangular
if compared with Brain. Far less visually thrilling, and less creative-
feeling, this last part. But also easier to reign in, for those of us who
are comforted that way, and less Wild Side, like you. :)
But, if you want a full viewable
heirarchy, you can create a link to a file, rather than only embedding
the file in PB.

Correlate, like PB, gives you the choice between linking and embedding.
Images are handled very nicely. One way to go is to embed an image,
and what happens is it automatically defaults to a thumbnail size.

Right-click the image within the Correlate document, and you can zoom to
any size. You can do that only for viewing purposes, or in order to reset
what size it displays in the document.

Then from that image you can create "relations" to it. Where you type some
text as a memo object to connect to it. Or where you drag from the explorer
panel, to create connected links, for launching whatever files or executables
you want related to the image object.
You can then go view the file in Windows Explorer, or
your fave file browser... hmmm... but then you only see the contents of
one directory at a time.

Correlate has an optional browser view panel, works in both online and
offline mode, so htms can be launched within the app, as well as online
pages loaded. And things can be dragged from the loaded web page. One
of the neat features is "Insert Outline of Page Links."

Embedded objects of various sorts - other than the images, I haven't
investigated those yet. Although I did notice talk about MS Office
documents support...

The linked items, they work the same of course as with Brain. Clicking
a link to say an .rtf or a .hlp file will launch the associated program.
One interesting act is with the "Insert Folder" menu command. Same essential
result as with selecting everything from a folder and dragging it into
Brain. Only there you end with the different visual layout of the links
in the two. Brain with that expanding-spheres look. Correlate following
the structure from explorer.
Another thing I like about PB and Outlook Tasks is the ability to place
files within the context of written comunication... like an interactive
ebook. Spacey

I don't have Outlook, so haven't specifically seen in action what you
describe. I do believe you might be satisfied with the ability of Correlate
for that activity. Especially since that appears to be its prime intention:
the sharing (by web, by email, etc) of its "knowledge maps," which contain
links throughout, and can contain embedded files of a variety of formats.

It's since you like Brain that I thought you might like this one, too.
Yet don't think I'm expecting you to test it out in the some nearby part
of the future; I only want you to marker it up on your ToeDoe list. :)

As mentioned, I'm not even actively using it myself as yet. And I saw your
news that there are still a few broken things in your operating system's
OLE functions. :< (I wonder if you'll end by having to resort to either
the MSIE "repair" option, or perhaps to the conservative method of running
Windows Setup. That is, as soon as you become desperate enough to let MSFT
loose on your system, to splatter about its MSN icons and all the other
debris.)
 
Spacey Spade said:
You can then go view the file in Windows Explorer, or
your fave file browser... hmmm... but then you only see the contents of
one directory at a time.

I just looked this over. If you create a link just to a folder, then in
either application, it opens in full expanded explorer view. This true on
your system?

Next part. In Brain, a file-item link has a context menu option called
"Open Containing Folder." Using it launches only that rooted single folder
view that you mention.

I believe there is no workaround. I spent a great deal of time trying
to get past this behavior once with a shell extension, whose menu command
would open explorer strictly with the rooted folder view. Despite the fact
that I have every last regentry in my system set for defaulting to the full
explorer view. Failing, I concluded that the program was not reading my
settings, but instead had something like the explorer parameters [1] for
rooted view hard-coded.


--
Karen S.


[1] contextual launch, full explorer view:
Explorer.exe /e,/idlist,%I,%L
contextual launch, rooted view:
Explorer.exe /e,/root,/idlist,%I,%L
 
I just looked this over. If you create a link just to a folder, then in
either application, it opens in full expanded explorer view. This true on
your system?

I cannot create a link to a folder in either Outlook97 or PBrain2.01, I
should have noted that I was thinking about ideal behaviour. Keep in
mind I am referring to the abilities of the "Notes" rich text editor. I
CAN put a single item per thought in the brain's plex (thought tree).

Even with the folder view pane in Win Explorer, though it is a major
improvement, you can only see one directory at a time, unlike with
Correlate where you see both paths and files in a tree.
Next part. In Brain, a file-item link has a context menu option called
"Open Containing Folder." Using it launches only that rooted single folder
view that you mention.

Again, I was referring to ideal behaviour in the Notes, but I see what
you mean. I do not get the folder treeview in Win Explorer when I click
on a folder in the Brain's plex (I have to manually navigate: View |
Explorer Bar | Folders).
I believe there is no workaround. I spent a great deal of time trying
to get past this behavior once with a shell extension, whose menu command
would open explorer strictly with the rooted folder view. Despite the fact
that I have every last regentry in my system set for defaulting to the full
explorer view. Failing, I concluded that the program was not reading my
settings, but instead had something like the explorer parameters [1] for
rooted view hard-coded.

I've obtained Brain 3.0 release candidate, and will be trying it
sometime hopefully in the near future. Spacey
 
[ snip, since you don't use x-no-archive ;) ]
I don't have Outlook, so haven't specifically seen in action what you
describe.

You can do it in Brain in the Notes panel. Example:
I was cycling through Europe, when I came across this huge monster:
__________________
| |
| picture |
| |
| |
__________________

I pulled out my sword, but the monster told me he meant no harm so
instead I pulled out the camera. The monster gave me a flash drive
keychain with this pdf document:
______
| |
| pdf |
| |
------

This document is signed by omega... stating she is on a quest and needed
warriors to volunteer.

[snip]
Yet don't think I'm expecting you to test it out in the some nearby part
of the future; I only want you to marker it up on your ToeDoe list. :)

My todo list is overwhelming me, but eventually...
As mentioned, I'm not even actively using it myself as yet. And I saw your
news that there are still a few broken things in your operating system's
OLE functions. :< (I wonder if you'll end by having to resort to either
the MSIE "repair" option, or perhaps to the conservative method of running
Windows Setup. That is, as soon as you become desperate enough to let MSFT
loose on your system, to splatter about its MSN icons and all the other
debris.)

No problem... I have the clean version of my system backed up... when
the time comes, I'll go into DOS and delete the present ~360Mb Windows
directory, replacing it with the nicer ~100Mb backup.

I'm hoping Brain improves and drops hit and miss OLE in favor of the way
Outlook97 embeds files (displaying an icon) without caring if there is
an OLE server/client/whatever. Even with images, I don't mind having
to double click it to open my default image viewer). Spacey
 
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