HP DeskJet 970Cse Refill systems any good?

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Hi!

I just bought a used "HP DeskJet 970Cse" and was wondering if anyone
had some good experiences with refill kits. If so, can you please tell
me which ones you like?

Thanks, New
 
Hello New
Hmmm difficult question in some ways. I have found Inktec to be very good, they
produce a large range of refill kits.
The 970cse uses a 45 black and 78 Colour cartridge I think, the black cartridge
is fairly straightforward to fill beacsue it has no foam filling. The 78 is
foam filled and has three printheads (combined into one module) and becasue it
is foam filled and there are 3 times the chances of a problemy they can be a
bit tricky. If both cartridges are working well apart from low ink levels then
you will probably be OK. The process is a bit messy at home so wear gloves etc.
Ideally the 78 should be filled in a vacuum chamber and that is the only way I
have seen them repeatedly refilled successfully (I know people who say it works
OK without a chamber). The biggest issue you are likely to face with the colour
cartridge is air pockets after filling (hence the vacuum chamber which helps to
eliminate air pockets), if you dampen the head after filling and leave the
cartridge sitting upright overnight (re-dampen with water from time to time)
you will increase the chances of a successful refill.
Sorry I do not have a great opinion of home refill kits for foam filled
cartridges in general but many people are happy with them.
Tony
 
Tony said:
Hello New
Hmmm difficult question in some ways. I have found Inktec to be very good, they
produce a large range of refill kits
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Tony da Tiger is in this business; therefore his advice is very biased.
Inktek does not disclose what BRAND of anything they are selling you.
By BRAND I mean the manufacturer/formulator. Find it on their website.
Because of all of the clogs caused by aftermarket inks most of the
people in the 3rdparty industry do not want you to know the BRAND. Many
people have problems with a certain LABEL (store repackaged label) so
they go to another source and have the same problem. What they do not
know is that both vendors are selling the same crap under different names.

Fess up Tony da Tiger, you know that is the truth. That is why you and
your co conspirators are trying to silence these words but you will fail.
.
The 970cse uses a 45 black and 78 Colour cartridge I think, the black cartridge
is fairly straightforward to fill beacsue it has no foam filling. The 78 is
foam filled and has three printheads (combined into one module) and becasue it
is foam filled and there are 3 times the chances of a problemy they can be a
bit tricky.
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A bit tricky is not the word. It is a real mess. I have an HP990 that
takes the same carts. I just bought a set of HP BRANDED carts at
Costco. I too agree that they are overpriced even at Costco.
Investigating a 3rd party reseller of a BRANDED ink may be a possibility
and if you could find one it would probably reduce the cost by half
sinced the carts are remanufactured. My only concern is ink leakage.
If the head clogs up you are only out the cost of the cart but if it
leaks you have a real mess and could loose your printer and ruin the
environment that it is on.
 
Hi again New
May I suggest that you carefully read what measekite has posted before in this
newsgroup and make your own judgement about his expertise. His knowledge is
almost nil and his experience with printers goes back only a few months, others
in this ng have years of experience.
He is rude and insults anyone who disagrees with him. I have no affiliation
with Inktec and if I was trying to get business I would have suggested that you
buy new cartridges. There is zero chance that refilling your cartridges will
damage your printer, the colour cartridge cannot leak and if the black
cartridge is going to leak it will do so while you are refilling it, not later
in the printer I have never seen a printer damaged by a leaking ink cartridge
in many years of printer servicing. There is as I said before a reasonable
chance that the refilling of the colour cartridge will be successful, the black
cartridge is almost certainly going to be OK. It is only messy if you are not
prepared, use a sink, ink won't hurt stainless steel, use gloves to avoid
staining your hands and follow the instructions carefully.

Good luck and please review measekites attitude by reading his previous posts,
that will help you decide on his worthiness.

Tony
 
I have a couple years experience refilling the 45 and 78 carts. They are
temperamental at best. Figure on averaging 5 refills on the 45 and 2-3 on
the 78. But some carts never seem to cooperate. I used the system sold at
www.inkjetsaver.com . It works great for the 45, the snap-n-fill routine is
very good with them. Some carts last for 6-8 refills. The 78 is a whole
nuther story. Never run a cart even close to empty, always refill early and
don't waste your time on a cart that won't behave.

Keep a set of 3 45's and 3 78's, and rotate them through the printer. That
way it doesn't remember them and show them as empty.
 
Tony said:
Hi again New
May I suggest that you carefully read what measekite has posted before in this
newsgroup and make your own judgement about his expertise. His knowledge is
almost nil and his experience with printers goes back only a few months, others
in this ng have years of experience.
He is rude and insults anyone who disagrees with him.
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Tony da Tiger is a plant in the aftermarket and independent repair
business; therefore you cannot trust what he said due to his monetary
motivation. My opinions are personal opinions. I gain nothing if you
buy a Canon, HP or an Epson.
I have no affiliation
with Inktec
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He is like a lobbyist that will say things to further his industry.
These people are very sneaky. There was another, WeStink, that was even
more blatant until I exposed him and then he started spamming the NG by
putting links to his wares.
and if I was trying to get business I would have suggested that you
buy new cartridges. There is zero chance that refilling your cartridges will
damage your printer, the colour cartridge cannot leak and if the black
cartridge is going to leak it will do so while you are refilling it, not later
in the printer I have never seen a printer damaged by a leaking ink cartridge
in many years of printer servicing.
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Do you see any reputable aftermarket companies? If you find one do you
see any warranty that says "This cartridge is guaranteed not to leak and
if it does we will repair or replace your printer.?
 
New said:
Hi!

I just bought a used "HP DeskJet 970Cse" and was wondering if anyone
had some good experiences with refill kits. If so, can you please tell
me which ones you like?

Thanks, New
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Hi New.

You'll get a variety of answers to your question by knowledgeable
professionals with years of experience in selling and using refill kits
and probably a rebuttal (of sorts) from someone with no experience at
all either in using or selling refills yet with an ax to grind for
reasons unknown to anyone. I've kill filed this person and suggest you
do the same as he has nothing of value to add to this discussion.
Obviously you're seeking sound, professional advice which is always
available in this ng.
Thanks for asking and good luck.

Frank
 
Frank said:
Hi New.

You'll get a variety of answers to your question by knowledgeable
professionals with years of experience in

selling
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Is Frankie Crankie a seller in disguise?
and using refill kits and probably a rebuttal (of sorts) from someone
with no experience at all either in using or selling refills yet with
an ax to grind for reasons unknown to anyone. I've kill filed this
person and suggest you do the same as
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Frankie Crankie
has nothing of value to add to this discussion. Obviously you're
seeking sound, professional advice
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which I cannot give you
 
I used to refill these for a few years and filled a 78 recently for someone,
successfully I might add. I used to get many 45 refills out of a cartridge
(lost count) and as many refills with the 78 as you want but the resolution
seems to go off after 4 or 5 refills, so just plan on 3 for best quality. I
think there's plenty of good kits out there, it's the method that's most
important though. I found drilling 3 holes in the front about 1.3" from the
top and filling from there with long syringes towards the head was the best
method as there is no way to overfill as the holes act as overflows.
Overfilling seems to not be a good thing with 78s. Fill until ink emerges
at each hole then draw .5ml out and tape over the holes. Keep the head in
damp tissue throughout. Change to dry tissue once the initial dripping
slows. Once the ink has stopped dripping (5 to 20 mins) put the cartridge
in the printer and leave it unused for several hours. This is the most
important part, if you print too soon or run cleaning cycles before internal
pressures have equalised and before any microscopic air bubbles have had a
chance to rise out of harms way, then you will get problems. After the
several hour wait try a test print and run a cleaning cycle if necessary.
 
SteveB said:
I used to refill these for a few years and filled a 78 recently for someone,
successfully I might add. I used to get many 45 refills out of a cartridge
(lost count) and as many refills with the 78 as you want but the resolution
seems to go off after 4 or 5 refills, so just plan on 3 for best quality. I
think there's plenty of good kits out there, it's the method that's most
important though. I found drilling 3 holes in the front about 1.3" from the
top and filling from there with long syringes towards the head was the best
method as there is no way to overfill as the holes act as overflows.
Overfilling seems to not be a good thing with 78s. Fill until ink emerges
at each hole then draw .5ml out and tape over the holes. Keep the head in
damp tissue throughout. Change to dry tissue once the initial dripping
slows. Once the ink has stopped dripping (5 to 20 mins) put the cartridge
in the printer and leave it unused for several hours. This is the most
important part, if you print too soon or run cleaning cycles before internal
pressures have equalised and before any microscopic air bubbles have had a
chance to rise out of harms way, then you will get problems. After the
several hour wait try a test print and run a cleaning cycle if necessary.
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It sound really messy.
 
Thank you, Steve.

I understand that my printer model takes both pigment and dye based
inks.

Which ones of each do you recommend?
I mean, which brand names of inks?

Thank you,
New
 
The 45 takes black pigmented ink only and the 78 takes dye ink only. I'm UK
based, I used to get my 78 ink and 45 black pigmented ink from two separate
companies that have both closed down now. I believe there are lots of good
colour ink kits out there but you have to be careful that you are getting
real pigmented black ink as some companies still don't know the difference
and try to sell you black dye ink which will work but will be feint and
spidery in comparison with pigment ink on plain paper. The ink I used to
use must have been good though, 4yr old photos haven't faded at all.
 
Thanks for the clarification, Steve.

I also believe there are lots of good ink refill kits out there, but I
don't know which companies know the difference between dye ink and
pigment ink!

Is there an easy way figure this out, so I don't have to find out when
I see spider-legs on the page?

I thought I'd start up a collection of ink companies and just ask each
one. Maybe they'll talk to me.

Thank you!
New
 
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