HP 722C Printer. What would you do?

[lerner]

It's old and works fine. I haven't kept up to date on printers. Each
time my printer needs new ink as it does now I think about if I should
keep it or not. Am I missing out on much by having a printer from 1998?
I'm sure software wise it can't do some of the things the newer
printers can.
I feel mines probably built like a tank next to lots of the new ones. I
have a scanner so I don't need to replace it for that reason. Not big
on the all-in-one stuff. I do scan and print some photos. Any
suggestions would be great. Thanks,

 

[Andrew Rossmann]

It's old and works fine. I haven't kept up to date on printers. Each
time my printer needs new ink as it does now I think about if I should
keep it or not. Am I missing out on much by having a printer from 1998?
I'm sure software wise it can't do some of the things the newer
printers can.
I feel mines probably built like a tank next to lots of the new ones. I
have a scanner so I don't need to replace it for that reason. Not big
on the all-in-one stuff. I do scan and print some photos. Any
suggestions would be great. Thanks,

Many newer printers would be a bit faster, better photo quality, and
less of a fading problem. Depending on the operating system you are
using (I think the 2K and XP drivers are very basic), you would have
more print options.

 

[measekite]

It's old and works fine. I haven't kept up to date on printers. Each
time my printer needs new ink as it does now I think about if I should
keep it or not. Am I missing out on much by having a printer from 1998?

yep

I'm sure software wise it can't do some of the things the newer
printers can.
I feel mines probably built like a tank next to lots of the new ones. I
have a scanner so I don't need to replace it for that reason. Not big
on the all-in-one stuff. I do scan and print some photos. Any
suggestions would be great.

Canon ip4200 with Canon ink only

 

[lerner]

Canon ip4200 with Canon ink only

I don't see how they stay in business the places selling the refilled
inks. They are all
terrible. I tried it twice and took them back. I know it can ruin your
printer also. My old
HP has the print heads on the ink cartridge so if you buy refilled junk
i'm sure the heads
are old. I'll keep checking back.

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

I don't see how they stay in business the places selling the refilled
inks. They are all
terrible. I tried it twice and took them back. I know it can ruin your
printer also. My old
HP has the print heads on the ink cartridge so if you buy refilled junk
i'm sure the heads
are old. I'll keep checking back.

What you boys been smokin'? (Must be those horrible non-OEM refilled
cigarettes.)

"I tried it twice" "They are all terrible."

This is logic?
"I ate two meals; all food is lousy."

"I know it can ruin your printer."
"And the way that you know this is?"

And what gives you the idea that print heads are damaged by age?

Tell you what: read the dozens of posts on this newsgroup and elsewhere
about successful use of refilled cartridges (including carts for HPs);
and then read the dozens and dozens of posts by people in this newsgroup
who have successfully refilled their own cartridges, repeatedly, with
good ink. (Note the word "good.")

Then, why not buy a couple or so professionally-refilled cartridges from
_recommended vendors_. And then, report back to us. OK?

Lerner, you've got to do your homework.

Most of the posts that I've seen about refilled cartridges sold in
stores have been negative. Therefore, this is where to _not_ buy
refilled cartridges. And people haven't done so good, either, with
universal "this ink is for _all_ printers" refill kits, also mostly sold
in stores, for the simple reason that inks must be formulated to match
the individual characteristics of each printer manufacturer. And
sometimes, one manufacturer will use more than one ink forumlation
depending on model. Ink used for refilling has to be specific for your
printer.

In other words, in general, the last place to buy refilled cartridge and
raw printer ink is in a retail store. Now, a store where they refill
cartridges in the back room may be an excellent place to do business.
These places do exist.

On the other hand, you're joking, right?

Richard

 

[TJ]

What you boys been smokin'? (Must be those horrible non-OEM refilled
cigarettes.)

"I tried it twice" "They are all terrible."

This is logic?
"I ate two meals; all food is lousy."

"I know it can ruin your printer."
"And the way that you know this is?"

And what gives you the idea that print heads are damaged by age?

Tell you what: read the dozens of posts on this newsgroup and elsewhere
about successful use of refilled cartridges (including carts for HPs);
and then read the dozens and dozens of posts by people in this newsgroup
who have successfully refilled their own cartridges, repeatedly, with
good ink. (Note the word "good.")

Then, why not buy a couple or so professionally-refilled cartridges from
_recommended vendors_. And then, report back to us. OK?

Lerner, you've got to do your homework.

Most of the posts that I've seen about refilled cartridges sold in
stores have been negative. Therefore, this is where to _not_ buy
refilled cartridges. And people haven't done so good, either, with
universal "this ink is for _all_ printers" refill kits, also mostly sold
in stores, for the simple reason that inks must be formulated to match
the individual characteristics of each printer manufacturer. And
sometimes, one manufacturer will use more than one ink forumlation
depending on model. Ink used for refilling has to be specific for your
printer.

In other words, in general, the last place to buy refilled cartridge and
raw printer ink is in a retail store. Now, a store where they refill
cartridges in the back room may be an excellent place to do business.
These places do exist.

On the other hand, you're joking, right?

Gee, give the poor guy a break, Richard. He's entitled to his opinion,
even if we may disagree with it.

As for me, I like living on the edge. I know my HP carts could fail at
any time, since I've refilled them a couple of dozen times each and the
print heads have to be old by now. It makes computing more exciting when
failure is imminent, doesn't it? OK, so I've been using this set of
cartridges for over a year and I'm still waiting for them to fail. It
doesn't matter, for I know they can give up at any time and I live for
the thrill of that moment. Anticipation is a wonderful thing.

TJ

 

[measekite]

measekite wrote:


I don't see how they stay in business the places selling the refilled
inks.

The relabelers stay in business by having a high turnover and by a
certain number of plants in newsgroups like this. Here were have about
a dozen regulars professing how great all of the crap is. By hanging
around in this ng you (in about a week) tell who they are. I think they
are a combination of paid and unpaid (some other affiliation) shills. I
called a few of them out and some admitted it.

You also get a few who tout the same junk that many here have complained
about. Not only do many get clogged print heads but faded prints and
poor results. Some either have such poor taste on results or they just
do not want to admit they are wrong. There are a whole lot of egos here
as well. You can tell who they are by reading the posts.

Stay around and you will see.

They are all
terrible.

There may be a few that are somewhat less than terrible but since none
will disclose what they are selling you have a high probability of
getting the same junk from anothter relabeler under a different website
name.

I tried it twice and took them back. I know it can ruin your
printer also.

An HP with an integrated printhead does not loose as much as a Canon
(head cost $85.00) and Epson that will totally trash the printer.

My old
HP has the print heads on the ink cartridge so if you buy refilled junk
i'm sure the heads
are old. I'll keep checking back.

Please do.

 

[measekite]

It is obvious that the guy caught shills with their pants down. He
seems to really know what he is talking about and most likely does not
work for a relabeler or has any association with them.

I am sure he does not work for Ithaca Inks Supply

 

[Charlie+]

On 16 Aug 2006 13:23:02 -0700, (e-mail address removed) wrote as underneath my scribble :

Presumably you are still using W98, if so, you are getting the best out of your
HP722. If you move to 2K or XP you lose a lot of the facilities of the printer
- no full updated drivers were written by HP. Almost any modern printer will
give you much better photo performance - at extra cost though!
Charlie+

 

[TJ]

It is obvious that the guy caught shills with their pants down. He
seems to really know what he is talking about and most likely does not
work for a relabeler or has any association with them.

I am sure he does not work for Ithaca Inks Supply

I'm assuming you're talking about Lerner and not me, because your
opinions and his coincide. That's fine - I'm glad you've found a kindred
soul.

But just to set the record straight for Lerner and whoever else might be
reading, I, for one, have no affiliation with any printer or ink
manufacturer or seller of same, except as a consumer of their products.
I am self-employed as a family farmer, and have been since the age of
12. Other than mandated military service in 1971-73, I have never so
much as sought employment anywhere else.

I've never heard of Ithaca Ink Supply. Neither has Google. There is a
Point-of-Sale printer manufacturer in Ithaca, NY, but they would qualify
as an OEM, even under your specifications. If you could provide me with
a website or physical address for Ithaca Ink Supply, I might check them
out. I'm always on the lookout for a good ink supplier.

Considering your accusations, Measekite, I have to wonder about your
affiliation with Canon or some other OEM ink supplier. Anyone so adamant
about using a particular product has to have a monetary interest in it,
don't you think? Your posts would lead me to think you think that way,
at least. Come on, Measekite - 'fess up.

TJ

 

[measekite]

I'm assuming you're talking about Lerner and not me, because your
opinions and his coincide. That's fine - I'm glad you've found a
kindred soul.

But just to set the record straight for Lerner

This is what they all say. Lerner and others should just keep reading
to find the answer.

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

I'm assuming you're talking about Lerner and not me, because your
opinions and his coincide. That's fine - I'm glad you've found a kindred
soul.

Which "you're" are you talking about, bub? Now, I'm really confused.
However, yeah, I'll give him a break. We can allow him to hemmorage
money at his printer manufacturer.

Richard

 

[TJ]

Which "you're" are you talking about, bub? Now, I'm really confused.
However, yeah, I'll give him a break. We can allow him to hemmorage
money at his printer manufacturer.

Richard

Measekite was the "you're" this time, Richard. He's the one I replied
to. He replied to the reply you just answered, and I replied to him.
Straight now? Fine. Now explain it to me.

I'm not surprised Measekite didn't have the guts to reveal his printer
OEM affiliation. The guy's obviously a Canon shill. Probably a
volunteer, though. The powers-that-be at Canon couldn't possibly be dumb
enough to PAY him to spout his drivel. Could they?

TJ

 

[lerner]

Measekite was the "you're" this time, Richard. He's the one I replied
to. He replied to the reply you just answered, and I replied to him.
Straight now? Fine. Now explain it to me.

I'm not surprised Measekite didn't have the guts to reveal his printer
OEM affiliation. The guy's obviously a Canon shill. Probably a
volunteer, though. The powers-that-be at Canon couldn't possibly be dumb
enough to PAY him to spout his drivel. Could they?

TJ

This place is kinda insane. Not everyone. I tried them twice and hated
them. They were
unusable. No I don't have windows 98 I have XP Professional. I built my
computer two
years ago but things like my printer and my microtek scsi scanner are
old. I have a new
samsung flat screen monitor. Just haven't bought a printer since 1998
and wanted to see
what you all know about them or have a favorite. My friends all agree
with me when I talk
to them about these refilled inks. I'm very frugal so I want to believe
cheaper is better.

 

[TJ]

This place is kinda insane. Not everyone. I tried them twice and hated
them. They were
unusable. No I don't have windows 98 I have XP Professional. I built my
computer two
years ago but things like my printer and my microtek scsi scanner are
old. I have a new
samsung flat screen monitor. Just haven't bought a printer since 1998
and wanted to see
what you all know about them or have a favorite. My friends all agree
with me when I talk
to them about these refilled inks. I'm very frugal so I want to believe
cheaper is better.

Some HP carts are easier to refill than others, and all are easier to do
if you don't wait until the cart is empty. If the cart empties and you
don't refill within a short time, the small amount of ink left in the
heads will dry and clog them. This doesn't make them unusable, but they
have to be cleared before a refill will be successful. Also, the ink
flow keeps the heads cool during operation. If you use a tricolor cart
for very long with one or more colors not working, you risk burning out
the heads for that color, making the cart unusable.

With all that said, I respect your decision to not refill on your own.
It isn't for everyone. However, I would suggest that you not condemn all
refill supplies on the basis of two tries. There is indeed a some junk
out there, and a lot of it is in retail stores. "Universal" fits-all
inks and kits don't work well, as a rule. Best results are obtained with
an ink meant for your specific printer. Also, you can save money with
carts that have been refilled (or "remanufactured") commercially. Most
commercial refillers(not all, as with anything else) screen their empty
carts for functionality before putting them back on the market.

One frequent poster to the group insists that nothing but OEM ink should
be used in a printer, that you are doomed to clogs and breakdowns if you
use aftermarket ink. Those of us who have been successful at refilling
say otherwise. Read a few of the other threads here and decide for
yourself who to listen to.

As for your printer, if it works, and you're happy with the results, and
you can still easily find supplies for it, there's really no compelling
reason to change. Newer printers tend to have more capability for the
initial cost, but they tend to be more expensive to maintain, especially
for ink. Modern ink carts for less expensive models tend to be smaller
than their older counterparts, yet they cost more. That's what printer
manufacturers call "progress."

TJ

 

[lerner]

Some HP carts are easier to refill than others, and all are easier to do
if you don't wait until the cart is empty. If the cart empties and you
don't refill within a short time, the small amount of ink left in the
heads will dry and clog them. This doesn't make them unusable, but they
have to be cleared before a refill will be successful. Also, the ink
flow keeps the heads cool during operation. If you use a tricolor cart
for very long with one or more colors not working, you risk burning out
the heads for that color, making the cart unusable.

With all that said, I respect your decision to not refill on your own.
It isn't for everyone. However, I would suggest that you not condemn all
refill supplies on the basis of two tries. There is indeed a some junk
out there, and a lot of it is in retail stores. "Universal" fits-all
inks and kits don't work well, as a rule. Best results are obtained with
an ink meant for your specific printer. Also, you can save money with
carts that have been refilled (or "remanufactured") commercially. Most
commercial refillers(not all, as with anything else) screen their empty
carts for functionality before putting them back on the market.

One frequent poster to the group insists that nothing but OEM ink should
be used in a printer, that you are doomed to clogs and breakdowns if you
use aftermarket ink. Those of us who have been successful at refilling
say otherwise. Read a few of the other threads here and decide for
yourself who to listen to.

As for your printer, if it works, and you're happy with the results, and
you can still easily find supplies for it, there's really no compelling
reason to change. Newer printers tend to have more capability for the
initial cost, but they tend to be more expensive to maintain, especially
for ink. Modern ink carts for less expensive models tend to be smaller
than their older counterparts, yet they cost more. That's what printer
manufacturers call "progress."

TJ

Thanks, it sounds to me you know what your talking about at least. It
all makes sense.
I'm still leaning towards a new printer. I bought a multi port 2.0 USB
PCI card for my
computer today since everything seems to use this and I just have 1.1
USB and my
camera uses 2.0. My printer is a good utility printer but can't do what
the new printers
can and it was great quality in it's day but not now. Never had any
problems with it.

 

[Richard Steinfeld]

Measekite was the "you're" this time, Richard. He's the one I replied
to. He replied to the reply you just answered, and I replied to him.
Straight now? Fine. Now explain it to me.

I'm not surprised Measekite didn't have the guts to reveal his printer
OEM affiliation. The guy's obviously a Canon shill. Probably a
volunteer, though. The powers-that-be at Canon couldn't possibly be dumb
enough to PAY him to spout his drivel. Could they?

Oh, now it's my turn to explain. I have Mishugena blocked, so the result
was that it seemed like you gave me a strange answer.

It's still better that way.

Richard

 

[JXStern]

Presumably you are still using W98, if so, you are getting the best out of your
HP722. If you move to 2K or XP you lose a lot of the facilities of the printer
- no full updated drivers were written by HP.

Yep. I found that when I upgraded to XP, about six months after I
bought a 723 (however many years ago that is now). Had to toss the
HP, and swore never to buy another, since they refused to support them
properly.

J.

 

[TJ]

Thanks, it sounds to me you know what your talking about at least. It
all makes sense.
I'm still leaning towards a new printer. I bought a multi port 2.0 USB
PCI card for my
computer today since everything seems to use this and I just have 1.1
USB and my
camera uses 2.0. My printer is a good utility printer but can't do what
the new printers
can and it was great quality in it's day but not now. Never had any
problems with it.

I don't want to take credit where it's not due. Much of what I wrote
came from knowledge gleaned from reading this newsgroup over the last
couple of years or so. My own inkjet experience is limited to four HPs
and two Epsons.

TJ

 

[measekite]

I don't want to take credit where it's not due. Much of what I wrote
came from knowledge gleaned from reading this newsgroup over the last
couple of years or so.

now i understand